StG58 Receiver Types

VRP72 · June 23, 2011, 21:55

Did Steyr use any other receiver besides Type I? If so, what Type and what approximate serial number range did they change?

My two StG58 kits are numbered 984XX and 1503XX and appear to be Type I lowers, I think. How do you tell a Type II lower from a Type I lower?

What was the total production for the Austrian StG58s?
Stevens book says they started with 20,000 FALs from FN and then produced their own at Steyr.

I tried doing a search on past posts but I came up with nothing.

**Hoot G** · June 24, 2011, 00:21

From what I've read, the StG was built on both the Type 1 and Type 2 receivers. Somebody that knows more about them than I do should be able to figure out which is correct for your serial numbers.

The receiver types (and lots more) are in the Reference and Data Section: a FAL FAQ and Library section of the forum.

Post #68

nwobhm · June 24, 2011, 04:38

Type I, II & III uppers. Type I & II lowers.

Red=I
White=IIa
Blue=IIb

nwobhm · June 24, 2011, 04:44

Quote:

Originally posted by VRP72
What was the total production for the Austrian StG58s?

170k. +/-20k Belgian, +/-150k Austrian

**Hoot G** · June 24, 2011, 09:42

I learn something new every day on this forum! I never knew that Steyr made a Type 3 receiver. Thanks!

nwobhm · June 24, 2011, 11:19

Quote:

Originally posted by Hoot G
I learn something new every day on this forum! I never knew that Steyr made a Type 3 receiver. Thanks!

**LaConservationist** · June 24, 2011, 11:27

Quote:

Originally posted by nwobhm

nwobhm would you mind posting right side of that receiver so I can see those markings?

THANKS!

LaC

Also the LOWER you have here pictured seems to be a Belgian and not a Steyr? Is this correct?

nwobhm · June 24, 2011, 11:32

This one is still in service.

nwobhm · June 24, 2011, 11:36

LaC, Here you go.

**Hoot G** · June 24, 2011, 12:40

Neat!

hangfire762 · June 24, 2011, 16:31

I've got to start doing a little "cut and paste" so I can put my own FAL info book together. This place never ceases to amaze me with wealth of knowledge floating about.

Aldwin · June 24, 2011, 17:47

Another one in the 157XXX range

She's a sister to my two StG's, one is 1570XX, the other is 1577XX.

VRP72 · June 24, 2011, 18:13

Quote:

Originally posted by nwobhm
Type I, II & III uppers. Type I & II lowers.

Red=I
White=IIa
Blue=IIb

Thanks nwobhm!

My lowers are definitely Type I like the one in red.

Ray
VRP72

VRP72 · June 24, 2011, 18:19

Quote:

Originally posted by LaConservationist

nwobhm would you mind posting right side of that receiver so I can see those markings?

THANKS!

LaC

Also the LOWER you have here pictured seems to be a Belgian and not a Steyr? Is this correct?

LaC, why do you think the lower is Belgian? This pic looks just like my lowers in my two StG58 kits.

This stuff is just so interesting. You guys rock on this site!

Ray
VRP72

VRP72 · June 24, 2011, 18:28

Quote:

Originally posted by Hoot G
From what I've read, the StG was built on both the Type 1 and Type 2 receivers. Somebody that knows more about them than I do should be able to figure out which is correct for your serial numbers.

The receiver types (and lots more) are in the Reference and Data Section: a FAL FAQ and Library section of the forum.

Post #68

Hoot, you are definitely right about learning something every day on this site! Thanks for the info on on the Reference and Data section plus the FAQ and Library!

Ray
VRP72

Tim Dreas · June 24, 2011, 18:38

Quote:

Originally posted by BC
The military Type 3 (be it Steyr or Imbel) is not like the Type 3 we commonly see today. The military Type 3 has the cuts in the front like the Type 1.

That's the early forged type III. When the Belgian type III's went to investment castings they look like the semi auto type III's in the US.

VRP72 · June 24, 2011, 18:39

Quote:

Originally posted by nwobhm
This one is still in service.

nwobhm, you and some of the other experts here ought to compile a book like Lee "Different" did for the M14.

Stevens did an excellent job on the development of the FAL but you guys have turned up so much more information on the FAL. I'm sure the rest of us FALnatics would buy a copy. I sure would. Thanks again for this great information!

Ray
VRP72

nwobhm · June 24, 2011, 19:03

Quote:

Originally posted by VRP72

nwobhm, you and some of the other experts here ought to compile a book like Lee "Different" did for the M14.

Stevens did an excellent job on the development of the FAL but you guys have turned up so much more information on the FAL. I'm sure the rest of us FALnatics would buy a copy. I sure would. Thanks again for this great information!

Ray
VRP72

I could compile a book on StG parts and kits. Pix, details etc. What's it worth to you? A percentage would have to go to the falfiles.

**Hoot G** · June 24, 2011, 21:38

Quote:

Originally posted by VRP72

Hoot, you are definitely right about learning something every day on this site! Thanks for the info on on the Reference and Data section plus the FAQ and Library!

Ray
VRP72

Yer welcome Ray! That Reference and Data ought to keep you busy for days. It did to me. Also got me more hooked on FAL's, if that's possible

**embatp** · June 24, 2011, 21:46

Quote:

Originally posted by VRP72

LaC, why do you think the lower is Belgian? This pic looks just like my lowers in my two StG58 kits.

This stuff is just so interesting. You guys rock on this site!

Ray
VRP72

the angle of the cut below the rear site is different between belgian lowers and austrian lowers...notice how the angle of the lower is differnet than the angle of the stock...on a steyr, these would match up....

did steyr produce type 3's as production receivers or as replacements for type 1's and 2's.....

**embatp** · June 24, 2011, 21:46

Quote:

Originally posted by embatp

the angle of the cut below the rear site is different between belgian lowers and austrian lowers...notice how the angle of the lower is different than the angle of the stock...on a steyr, these would match up....

did steyr produce type 3's as production receivers or as replacements for type 1's and 2's.....

**LaConservationist** · June 24, 2011, 22:00

Quote:

Originally posted by embatp

the angle of the cut below the rear site is different between belgian lowers and austrian lowers...notice how the angle of the lower is differnet than the angle of the stock...on a steyr, these would match up....

did steyr produce type 3's as production receivers or as replacements for type 1's and 2's.....

^^^^THIS^^^^

Just as embatp stated ; on the Belgian lowers the angle from forward of the rear sight to the butt stock was a linear angle from front to back where as the Steyr's were angled more from the front to the back. As noted by embatp, the stock and this metal line would align more perfectly from the lower to the butt stock. As you can see in the pic the butt stock ridge lines are LOWER than the ridge lines on the lower. I will show pics tomorrow if someone doesn’t tonight!

**Hoot G** · June 24, 2011, 23:32

I think Steyr made this one...

Aldwin · June 25, 2011, 03:47

The StG on nwobhm's picture is a factory original Steyr.

Here are my StG's:

**preston1026** · June 25, 2011, 16:48

Quote:

Originally posted by Hoot G
I think Steyr made this one...

You can see the proof mark by the windage screw

VRP72 · June 25, 2011, 19:35

Quote:

Originally posted by nwobhm

I could compile a book on StG parts and kits. Pix, details etc. What's it worth to you? A percentage would have to go to the falfiles.

Depending on the content, quality of paper and binding, pictures (b/w or color), hardback or paper, I would say $30 to $50 plus.

This would be valuable information to have and preserve!

Than perhaps others with the same information on other variants of the FAL could do the same.

Thanks!
Ray
VRP72

Tim Dreas · June 26, 2011, 11:03

FN, unlike H&K, offered updates to its license holders. The FN licenses were cheaper than H&K licenses and allowed any changes or updates by the license holders. H&K required the purchase of a whole new license to update designs and the H&K licenses were more expensive than FN licenses and were much more strict.

E4W · May 14, 2012, 20:44

Does anyone know or have a guess as to around what serial number Steyr switched to they type 3 receivers on StG 58 production?

Combloc · May 14, 2012, 23:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoot G

I think Steyr made this one...

What is the camoflage in the picture please?

**STG_58_guy** · May 15, 2012, 00:02

1. This is gun porn
1a. I'm addicted to gun porn (as long as it is FAL porn)
2. You guys are amazing - now I have to go downstairs and check all my FALS
3. Several of you should collaborate on the book - many qualified editors here
4. I'd pay $100 for such a book. $200 if it is loaded with color images
5. If you don't write the book, all this is all lost in 25 years
6. When is the museum going to open?

**Hoot G** · May 15, 2012, 00:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Combloc

What is the camoflage in the picture please?

South African Police 2nd Pattern Camouflage

Combloc · May 15, 2012, 00:28

Thank you!

**STG_58_guy** · May 15, 2012, 00:40

One Belgian, the rest Steyr if LaConservationist is correct (and you have been so far), except for one Imbel lower. All except Imbel are type 1. Is that possible?

BTW, cosmoline is not a lubricant.

Raspeguy · May 15, 2012, 00:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by E4W

Does anyone know or have a guess as to around what serial number Steyr switched to they type 3 receivers on StG 58 production?

Ok, a guess! Seen mid 155,xxx with type 3 stubs, low 154,xxx with type 2 stub. There may have been overlaps?

The nice pictures you see of the Type 3 rifle, 157,xxx belonged to member RobertTGti in the Netherlands.

**STG_58_guy** · May 15, 2012, 01:10

I've never seen one that wasn't sawed in half. And then only the front half. Is that the real deal?

RPBII · May 15, 2012, 03:45

Those StG's are real, they are in Europe.

hawk962 · May 15, 2012, 08:41

And Beauties!!!

crcksht · May 15, 2012, 09:10

If a Type 3 is "correct" enough for the Austrians, it's correct enough for me!

Lol

LKY_13 · May 15, 2012, 11:07

I love this site. We do NEED a full color book.

BC · May 15, 2012, 12:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by crcksht

If a Type 3 is "correct" enough for the Austrians, it's correct enough for me!

Look closely the lines of that Type 3. It's a different Type 3 than the Type 3 we're stuck with.

nwobhm · May 15, 2012, 12:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by BC

Look closely the lines of that Type 3. It's a different Type 3 than the Type 3 we're stuck with.

DSA I & II's aren't totally correct either.

June 23, 2011, 21:55	#1
VRP72 Registered FALaholic #: 63156 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Georgia Posts: 61	StG58 Receiver Types Did Steyr use any other receiver besides Type I? If so, what Type and what approximate serial number range did they change? My two StG58 kits are numbered 984XX and 1503XX and appear to be Type I lowers, I think. How do you tell a Type II lower from a Type I lower? What was the total production for the Austrian StG58s? Stevens book says they started with 20,000 FALs from FN and then produced their own at Steyr. I tried doing a search on past posts but I came up with nothing.

June 24, 2011, 00:21	#2
Hoot G What, me worry? Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 23207 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: South MS Posts: 2,076	From what I've read, the StG was built on both the Type 1 and Type 2 receivers. Somebody that knows more about them than I do should be able to figure out which is correct for your serial numbers. The receiver types (and lots more) are in the Reference and Data Section: a FAL FAQ and Library section of the forum. Post #68 __________________ Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill Always have a go-to-hell plan.

June 24, 2011, 09:42	#5
Hoot G What, me worry? Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 23207 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: South MS Posts: 2,076	I learn something new every day on this forum! I never knew that Steyr made a Type 3 receiver. Thanks! __________________ Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill Always have a go-to-hell plan.

June 24, 2011, 12:40	#10
Hoot G What, me worry? Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 23207 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: South MS Posts: 2,076	Neat! __________________ Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill Always have a go-to-hell plan.

June 24, 2011, 17:47	#12
Aldwin Registered FALaholic #: 43006 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 220	Receiver Another one in the 157XXX range She's a sister to my two StG's, one is 1570XX, the other is 1577XX. __________________ Steyr StG-58, 30m1 Carbine National Postal Meter A.I., Feinwerkbau 300-S

June 24, 2011, 16:31	#11
hangfire762 Registered FALaholic #: 44232 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Camp Lejeune, NC Posts: 277	I've got to start doing a little "cut and paste" so I can put my own FAL info book together. This place never ceases to amaze me with wealth of knowledge floating about.

June 25, 2011, 03:47	#24
Aldwin Registered FALaholic #: 43006 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 220	Receiver The StG on nwobhm's picture is a factory original Steyr. Here are my StG's: __________________ Steyr StG-58, 30m1 Carbine National Postal Meter A.I., Feinwerkbau 300-S

June 26, 2011, 11:03	#27
Tim Dreas Registered FALaholic #: 17255 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: York,PA Posts: 842	FN, unlike H&K, offered updates to its license holders. The FN licenses were cheaper than H&K licenses and allowed any changes or updates by the license holders. H&K required the purchase of a whole new license to update designs and the H&K licenses were more expensive than FN licenses and were much more strict. __________________ http://www.mpri.com/

May 14, 2012, 20:44	#28
E4W Registered FALaholic #: 36717 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 37	Does anyone know or have a guess as to around what serial number Steyr switched to they type 3 receivers on StG 58 production?

May 15, 2012, 00:02	#30
STG_58_guy Veteran Member Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 65886 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 1,253	Gun porn 1. This is gun porn 1a. I'm addicted to gun porn (as long as it is FAL porn) 2. You guys are amazing - now I have to go downstairs and check all my FALS 3. Several of you should collaborate on the book - many qualified editors here 4. I'd pay $100 for such a book. $200 if it is loaded with color images 5. If you don't write the book, all this is all lost in 25 years 6. When is the museum going to open?

May 15, 2012, 00:28	#32
Combloc Registered FALaholic #: 55596 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 142	Thank you! __________________ I ain't too bright!

May 15, 2012, 00:40	#33
STG_58_guy Veteran Member Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 65886 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 1,253	Gun porn part II... One Belgian, the rest Steyr if LaConservationist is correct (and you have been so far), except for one Imbel lower. All except Imbel are type 1. Is that possible? BTW, cosmoline is not a lubricant.

May 15, 2012, 01:10	#35
STG_58_guy Veteran Member Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 65886 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 1,253	That is a real StG FA receiver pictured? I've never seen one that wasn't sawed in half. And then only the front half. Is that the real deal?

May 15, 2012, 03:45	#36
RPBII Registered FALaholic #: 19720 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 1,235	Those StG's are real, they are in Europe.

May 15, 2012, 08:41	#37
hawk962 Registered FALaholic #: 9621 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 927	And Beauties!!!

May 15, 2012, 09:10	#38
crcksht Registered FALaholic #: 15315 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Volunteer State Posts: 1,159	If a Type 3 is "correct" enough for the Austrians, it's correct enough for me! Lol __________________ "Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." -- George Washington "A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms." "To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms..." -- Richard Henry Lee - Senator, First Congress "I ask you sir, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people." (Elliott, Debates, 425-426) --George Mason

May 15, 2012, 11:07	#39
LKY_13 The Swiss Guy Contributor FALaholic #: 41000 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: UTAH Posts: 465	I love this site. We do NEED a full color book. __________________ Foi Est Tout μολων λαβε

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