Why not .45 GAP?

[Timber Wolf]

Well, lack of cheap brass of course. But I am getting ahead of myself. I have been thinking again (Danger, Will Robinson!) and remembered that .40 S&W came about because somebody wanted a little more bullet that still fit in wonder 9 sized guns. Oh, and some weenies could not control 10mm but thought the bullet diameter was “just right”. .40 is just a little more bullet than 9mm and just a few less rounds in a mag but is only a smidge smaller than .45. Well, at least it still starts with a "4". Sounds good, ain’t compromise grand? Oh, and it had the added benefit of selling a whole bunch more guns & stuff to the masses. So, if the .40 was good, shouldn’t the .45 GAP be even more of a good thing? It still fits in wonder 9 sized guns and has decent mag capacity but is a full honest-to-goodness .45 caliber cartridge. Just like no less then Sam Colt and John Browning intended an anti-personnel cartridge to be. Seriously, are you REALLY going to argue with Colt, Browning, AND Gaston Glock?

I have another thought. Why doesn’t somebody come up with some really, really, REALLY hot primers. Then stuff them into a .45 case cut all the way back till it is just barely long enough to hold the bullet with it seated flat on top of the primer. Maybe they have to cheat a little and use a hollow base bullet so they can get a little powder capacity, whatever it takes to move the bullet along at a modest velocity. They should be able to chamber it in LCP, P3AT, etc. sized pistolas and call it the .45 PISS (Primer Initiated Super Short). Would sure be a handful but I bet it would sell like hot cakes, heck I would buy one. Oh! I have it! Use them in little bitty short cylinder revolvers using moon clips! Very compact subguns with enormous mag capacities! I like it, I love it, I want some more of it!

[MACV]

The 45 GAP is a solution looking for a problem.

[Delta-3]

The 45 GAP is a solution looking for a problem.

I agree. It's a round nobody has a use for

[Topbanana]

GAP stands for "Gay And Proud" right?

[juanni]

Originally posted by MACV
The 45 GAP is a solution looking for a problem.

That problem will be finding ammo 10-20 years from now.




I stay away from hip, trendy calibers.



.............juanni

[IanMor]

A few years ago I went to GLOCK LEO armorer's course. Our instructors were very knowledgeable about all things Gaston.

Several were in on the development of a .45 ACP Glock for the American market. Glock Inc. engineers made them all sorts of promises, acted like they really cared, and brought them the GAP. The Americans were not impressed, and told them "no, we will not be buying this for our departments, it's not what we asked for. Sell it to someone else". From what I understand, GAP chambered Glocks have been very lukewarm in sales performance.

45 ACP Glocks sell well. My favorite, the bitty G36, is the most unsupported, ignored and under promoted pistol they have, yet it sells very well.

Gaston Glock, in my opinion must have gone to the H&K school of business, where their guiding principle of marketing is "Hi, we are from Glock, you suck and we hate you.... Buy this".

[BUFF]

I have always felt that an alternative to the double column mag Model 21 for a full size pistol in .45 ACP, Glock should have made a model with the same upper and barrelas the M-21 but with a single column mag and a grip frame scaled down for it, sort like a full size Model 36.

9 or 10 rounds of .45 in the gun are usually plenty if the shooter doesn't piss them away. A gun that fits the shooters' hands and some good instruction and practice are much more productive than a big, fat high capacity gun and little training and relying on the shooter to put so many bullets down range as fast as they can.

During the recent great ammunition famine, departments usually could get .40, all they wanted, and .45 ACP with a little looking. Unusual, less common rounds like the GAP and .357 Sig got really tough to obtain in quantity and variety.

I understand Glock's .45 GAP. The goal is to deliever that big heavy .45 caliber bullet; it is after all the bullet that does the damage and the gun and cartridge are just the launcher. But there are and would be more great ways to launch that bullet without inventing a new cartridge of such narrow utility and usage.

[evan price]

45 GAP was Glock's way of trying to make themselves their own caliber, like the .357 Sig. Problem was they picked a pretty piss poor cartridge. The problem with the 45 acp and Glocks was to fit it they needed a big grip frame. People with normal hands had trouble because it was so thick.

I have big hands, my wedding ring is big enough to be a thumb ring for most everyone else I compare with, checking with the mike shows it is .970" ID; It's not fat, I have large hands to match (Large size gloves fit tight); even with my big hands a Glock 21 is just too big, and with the Hogue grip sleeve I put on mine, even bigger.

I've never owned a G20 so I don't know if it is the same lower as a G21.

The problem the GAP was supposed to fix wound up being fixed by the Glock 21 SF model with the reduced grip frame.

I agree a single stack 45 ACP might have been a better way to go, but Glock wanted to have a high capacity 45, not a Sig P220 competitor.

For my money, my Sig P220 fits me as if it was designed for me. That's what a 45 acp pistol should be feeling like!

[MACV]

Originally posted by evan price
45 GAP was Glock's way of trying to make themselves their own caliber, like the .357 Sig. Problem was they picked a pretty piss poor cartridge. The problem with the 45 acp and Glocks was to fit it they needed a big grip frame. People with normal hands had trouble because it was so thick.

I have big hands, my wedding ring is big enough to be a thumb ring for most everyone else I compare with, checking with the mike shows it is .970" ID; It's not fat, I have large hands to match (Large size gloves fit tight); even with my big hands a Glock 21 is just too big, and with the Hogue grip sleeve I put on mine, even bigger.

I've never owned a G20 so I don't know if it is the same lower as a G21.

The problem the GAP was supposed to fix wound up being fixed by the Glock 21 SF model with the reduced grip frame.

I agree a single stack 45 ACP might have been a better way to go, but Glock wanted to have a high capacity 45, not a Sig P220 competitor.

For my money, my Sig P220 fits me as if it was designed for me. That's what a 45 acp pistol should be feeling like!

Sig 220.........my next pistol. Ive wanted one for years but have never been able to find a decent used one.