Picked up my new Imbel DSA and...

hellfish · June 15, 2011, 12:38

Just picked up my new Imbel DSA yesterday, haven't got a chance to fully inspect it yet, but the first thing I noticed is the rear sight:

Is the rear sight supposed to be loose, I mean the whole damn thing just wiggles left to right ??? Is this normal in DSA rifles ??

**brunop** · June 15, 2011, 12:55

Are the sight screws on each side tightened?

hellfish · June 15, 2011, 12:57

they are, this part does't move it's the part that slides back and forth (aperture) that seems to be loose.

**LaConservationist** · June 15, 2011, 13:00

Looking down the sights, on the left side in a knurled button about the size of a number 2 pencil earser, if you depress this you should be able to slide the slide from the 2 to the 6 up the ramp. You will have indentions that the pin should spring back and set into the indentions, if this does NOT happen it will remain loose.
IF you can feel the spring load and unload tension as you depress the button then you need to "TIGHTEN the upper portion of the sight.
IF you have NO spring tention, you either have a dirty collasped spring, broken spring, or NO spring.

There are a few easy fixes for this.

To answer you question shortly......NO it should NOT be loose!

Try a search for loose rear sights, if that don't work someone will be along soon to instruct you how to remove top portion and tighten!

LaC

hellfish · June 15, 2011, 13:05

I will take a look at it again when I get home later on today, I tried to figure out if I can make it "lock" yesterday and was unsuccessful.

I am a bit surprised that it came like this from the factory though.

L/FN · June 15, 2011, 14:17

They are used parts.
Yes, the ap may be sloppy on the base.

ce · June 15, 2011, 15:20

Remove one or both sight screws and tap or push sight base off of lower.

Remove sight retaining pin from sight base and slide sight forward and off.

Clean and examine detent and spring and install a steel ball sized .025 " in bottom of detent spring hole and reassemble sight to lower.

If sight remains loose after spring shim procedure, implement phase II of sight tightening operation.

Phase II will be revealed upon further review of aspirant's capability.

Bwana John · June 15, 2011, 17:42

Remove one or both sight screws and tap or push sight base off of lower.

Replace with rear Para sight.

Reinstall sight screw(s).

Problem fixed.

hellfish · June 15, 2011, 18:24

this sight looks new, I don't think it's a used one.

by the way I tried playing with it, and it seems like when it locks in the notches it becomes even more unstable

hellfish · June 15, 2011, 18:28

Quote:

Originally posted by hellfish
this sight looks new, I don't think it's a used one.

by the way I tried playing with it, and it seems like when it locks in the notches it becomes even more unstable

Looks exactly like this:

http://www.dsarms.com/Short-Belgian-...ductinfo/106A/

**BUFF** · June 15, 2011, 18:58

There is often some wobble to the apperture leaf on the FAL rear sight. Probably nothing is "wrong" with your rear sight assembly, it's just part of a design with a pretty big range of tolerances.

I doubt the sight assembly of your rifle is new. These rifles were assembled from parts kits from used rifles. The parts were refinished before the rifle was put together by DSA.

Oddly, the wobble doesn't seem to affect accuracy much unless the sight is really bad. I think the blade "flops" back into about the same spot after each shot.

hellfish · June 16, 2011, 10:35

Now I am getting confused.

I am sure somebody has one of these rifles, or at least this kind of rear sight.

**def90** · June 16, 2011, 11:06

There will be some play in it.. some people have "pinched" the sides of the sight base on the rail to get them a little tighter but...

Here is a vid of mine.. all of my metrics are about the same.

Even with the "wobbly" rear sight this is still my best shooting FAL.. I know it can shoot better than I can at the moment.

hellfish · June 16, 2011, 11:12

Great thanks, that's what I was looking for, and the video clip............

I guess I'll leave as is if it doesn't really have any effect on the accuracy.

Thanks again.

**FALonious** · June 16, 2011, 11:20

Quote:

Originally posted by hellfish
I guess I'll leave as is if it doesn't really have any effect on the accuracy.

It certainly can’t help, I would do as CE instructed. I have some that are not loose at all, so you can get one to tighten up.

hellfish · June 16, 2011, 11:27

where do I get the:

install a steel ball sized .025 "

from?

**Texgunner** · June 18, 2011, 20:00

I tightened up the rear sight on my first Imbel. I tried gently (and I mean gently) squeezing the sight base in a vise. Then, I cut a small piece of sheet-metal to fit in the detent spring hole (not having the required sized steel ball), and replaced the spring on top of this spacer. It sure tightened up my sight. Might be worth a try...

June 15, 2011, 12:38	#1
hellfish Registered FALaholic #: 63544 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Location Location Posts: 216	Picked up my new Imbel DSA and... Just picked up my new Imbel DSA yesterday, haven't got a chance to fully inspect it yet, but the first thing I noticed is the rear sight: Is the rear sight supposed to be loose, I mean the whole damn thing just wiggles left to right ??? Is this normal in DSA rifles ??

June 15, 2011, 12:55	#2
brunop Refresh Key Masher Platinum Contributor FALaholic #: 17136 Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: oregon Posts: 6,682	Are the sight screws on each side tightened? __________________ "I love you, Pluskat..." - brunop "Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." - Thomas Jefferson "The constitutions of most of our states [and of the United States] assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed; that they are entitled to freedom of person, freedom of religion, freedom of property and freedom of the press." - Thomas Jefferson

June 15, 2011, 13:00	#4
LaConservationist IN DENIAL NOT ADDICTED!! Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 42319 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South Louisiana Bayous! Posts: 6,525	Looking down the sights, on the left side in a knurled button about the size of a number 2 pencil earser, if you depress this you should be able to slide the slide from the 2 to the 6 up the ramp. You will have indentions that the pin should spring back and set into the indentions, if this does NOT happen it will remain loose. IF you can feel the spring load and unload tension as you depress the button then you need to "TIGHTEN the upper portion of the sight. IF you have NO spring tention, you either have a dirty collasped spring, broken spring, or NO spring. There are a few easy fixes for this. To answer you question shortly......NO it should NOT be loose! Try a search for loose rear sights, if that don't work someone will be along soon to instruct you how to remove top portion and tighten! LaC __________________ In MEMORY of Roger "DUNKRD" Dunkelbarger September 13, 1943 - May 09, 2010 "Any one who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him, better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford

June 15, 2011, 14:17	#6
L/FN Registered FALaholic #: 139 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Kansas. Just Dust in the Wind Posts: 3,351	They are used parts. Yes, the ap may be sloppy on the base. __________________ "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luke 22:36 Times of FALs and no money are better than times of money and no FALs.

June 15, 2011, 18:58	#11
BUFF Old Fart Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 789 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 7,154	There is often some wobble to the apperture leaf on the FAL rear sight. Probably nothing is "wrong" with your rear sight assembly, it's just part of a design with a pretty big range of tolerances. I doubt the sight assembly of your rifle is new. These rifles were assembled from parts kits from used rifles. The parts were refinished before the rifle was put together by DSA. Oddly, the wobble doesn't seem to affect accuracy much unless the sight is really bad. I think the blade "flops" back into about the same spot after each shot. __________________ BUFF

June 15, 2011, 12:57	#3
hellfish Registered FALaholic #: 63544 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Location Location Posts: 216	they are, this part does't move it's the part that slides back and forth (aperture) that seems to be loose.

June 15, 2011, 13:05	#5
hellfish Registered FALaholic #: 63544 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Location Location Posts: 216	I will take a look at it again when I get home later on today, I tried to figure out if I can make it "lock" yesterday and was unsuccessful. I am a bit surprised that it came like this from the factory though.

June 15, 2011, 15:20	#7
ce Registered FALaholic #: 373 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,917	Remove one or both sight screws and tap or push sight base off of lower. Remove sight retaining pin from sight base and slide sight forward and off. Clean and examine detent and spring and install a steel ball sized .025 " in bottom of detent spring hole and reassemble sight to lower. If sight remains loose after spring shim procedure, implement phase II of sight tightening operation. Phase II will be revealed upon further review of aspirant's capability.

June 15, 2011, 17:42	#8
Bwana John Registered FALaholic #: 3810 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: N. AZ Posts: 2,525	Remove one or both sight screws and tap or push sight base off of lower. Replace with rear Para sight. Reinstall sight screw(s). Problem fixed.

June 15, 2011, 18:24	#9
hellfish Registered FALaholic #: 63544 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Location Location Posts: 216	this sight looks new, I don't think it's a used one. by the way I tried playing with it, and it seems like when it locks in the notches it becomes even more unstable

June 16, 2011, 10:35	#12
hellfish Registered FALaholic #: 63544 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Location Location Posts: 216	Now I am getting confused. I am sure somebody has one of these rifles, or at least this kind of rear sight.

June 16, 2011, 11:06	#13
def90 Old Fart Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 50609 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: The Peoples' Republic of Boulder, Colorado Posts: 9,088	There will be some play in it.. some people have "pinched" the sides of the sight base on the rail to get them a little tighter but... Here is a vid of mine.. all of my metrics are about the same. Even with the "wobbly" rear sight this is still my best shooting FAL.. I know it can shoot better than I can at the moment. __________________ There is no theory of evolution, just a list of creatures Chuck Norris allows to live. Public libraries cannot let the public decide what is allowed in the library, or it would be brimming with pornography and gun magazines. Last edited by def90; June 16, 2011 at 11:11.

June 16, 2011, 11:12	#14
hellfish Registered FALaholic #: 63544 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Location Location Posts: 216	Great thanks, that's what I was looking for, and the video clip............ I guess I'll leave as is if it doesn't really have any effect on the accuracy. Thanks again.

June 16, 2011, 11:27	#16
hellfish Registered FALaholic #: 63544 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Location Location Posts: 216	where do I get the: install a steel ball sized .025 " from?

June 18, 2011, 20:00	#17
Texgunner long-time Texas taxpayer Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 4653 Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: central Texas-Milam county Posts: 2,532	I tightened up the rear sight on my first Imbel. I tried gently (and I mean gently) squeezing the sight base in a vise. Then, I cut a small piece of sheet-metal to fit in the detent spring hole (not having the required sized steel ball), and replaced the spring on top of this spacer. It sure tightened up my sight. Might be worth a try... __________________ "I'm Snake River Rufus Crile, a long way from home. I'm blood kin to a Gila monster, can drink my weight in wolf poison. Massacre, bloodshed, famine and drought all put meat on my bones. Hardship and slaughter, my daily bread. I can whip a full grown longhorn cow with my hands tied, make violent love to mountain lions. My trigger fingers are itchy; I'm set to go, red hot" from "The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean" Last edited by Texgunner; June 18, 2011 at 20:34.

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