G-Series at the funshow. Curious

1811GNR · May 15, 2011, 20:34

Got to check out a G-series at the show this weekend. It didn't seem to fit the configuration I was expecting.
It was G85x. The receiver was a Type II, non-bipod-cut barrel, combo device, bipod cut brownish handguards, SRA marked lower, semi only selector, vertical locking lever and plastic grip and buttstock. Yes it was sear-cut.

Was the Type II receiver common to the G-Series? Combo device?

Arby · May 15, 2011, 21:44

I am no expert, but that early a G would seem likely to have had a Type I receiver. I don't think that the Type II receivers on the commercial models were common until the late sixties "Competition" models. It would have had a 3 position lower with a "R" 2 position selector.

Probably, it would have had wood handguards and a long Belgian flash hider. Was the receiver sear cut as well as the ejector block, or just the ejector block sear cut?

**def90** · May 15, 2011, 22:03

Generally If the serial number started with G and it is sear cut then it should be a G Series, however I believe that there was a later shipment of rifles that have a G in the serial number but are regular 50 series rifles. These rifles will have an importer listed on the receiver when I think the original G Series rifles do not have an imported listed on the receiver.

**James** · May 15, 2011, 22:14

Where was the serial number marked?

Here's what's wrong with the one you saw.

Type II
combo
non bi pod barrel
plastic buttstock
browish handguards

What was the rest of the serial number?

James

1811GNR · May 15, 2011, 22:18

Sear-cut receiver, didn't open it to check the e-block. The barrel wasn't notched for the index washer of the long flash hider. No importer name/info. F.A.L. cal. 7.62 on left side. No "R" selector.

1811GNR · May 15, 2011, 22:26

Quote:

Originally posted by James
Where was the serial number marked? Bottom of front ring

Here's what's wrong with the one you saw.

Type II
combo
non bi pod barrel
plastic buttstock
browish handguards

What was the rest of the serial number? Full number was G854

James

The SN does fall into the amnesty list FAL's. Don't know what to make of it.

**James** · May 15, 2011, 22:40

I know what you mean, I don't know what to think of it either. As you stated serial # is in the list. Being marked 762 would also be early serial #. Just about everything can be explained except the Type II receiver. All the rest could have been changed out at some time. I don't see it being a replacement receiver.

I'm sure someone will be along to add input to this.

James

JM · May 15, 2011, 23:29

Was the type type 2 receiver in production when the G series were being imported? I always thought they were built several years after the G imports. The 3 digit serial number would make it late 50's maybe. Something doesn't jive with that rifle. Maybe off topic a little, but still relating to the G series--I have seen quite a few of the regular G rifles and the heavy barrled GL series but never the elusive G series Para. They are on the amnesty list but the serial numbers are way off from the standard G's. Were they imported later and were they stamped FAL cal. 7.62 like the G series rifles?

**Lee Carpentieri** · May 15, 2011, 23:42

Were the handguards kinda between tan and brown with greyish blue metal front end caps or parked metal end caps? Type two receiver production started in 1962 just about a year before ATFU now known as BATFE stopped the importation of the searcut FA ejector block equipped G-Series, The serial number 1811GNR posted was part of 170 G-Series that was imported in that shipment. So yes it could very well be a legal imported G-Series Type two receivered Fal. I've personally seen the option list on G-Series boxes and the options did include NON Bipod cut handguards and NON bipod cut barrels and different muzzle device options along with options for wood or plastic buttstocks, Handguards, pistol grips, LT weight Lowers/Hidium, Scope mounts that are serial numbered to the weapon from the factory that are machined into the mount itself. The G letter stands for GIFT or Presentation according to FN in Blake Stevens Book as I've also seen some NIB G-Series that had fancy stained color finishes on the Buttstocks. So don't just assume what you really haven't seen or heard of yet.

1811GNR, How much was the person asking for the G-Series you saw?

1811GNR · May 16, 2011, 08:09

Lee, the handguards were similar to the brownish color found on the Steyr import sear-cut guns, to my eyes at least. I didn't really pay as much attention to the HG end caps as I should have but iirc they were painted and probably matching the greyish blue of the barrel and gas block. There was also a small mark/stamp of some sort on the top center of the barrel a few inches ahead of the gas block.

The fellow that had it was very vague about price. When I asked he responded that he'd been offered $2700 that day and went on about how much the offers were a year ago. I got the impression that it belonged to someone else. Didn't press for more since I wasn't buying that day. I'm sure that I can get in touch with the seller for more info if someone is interested.

The ejection port showed the typical signs of being fired but not a lot. The left side of the receiver had quite a bit of wear from the charging handle. The charging handle slide was more square than the later FN's I'm more familiar with.

BlasterLP · May 16, 2011, 08:58

I would be interested in getting put in contact with the seller.
msg me or email me at lorenpete at gmail dot com

nitro450exp · May 16, 2011, 18:16

Hello,

The 7.62 is consistent with the earlier models.
I have seen one in the mid G1200's with 7.62 marking.
Which would put it into the first 400 imported.

That one had wood forearm and Long FH.

Do not recall bipod cut and reciever type.

Nitro

jaflowers · May 16, 2011, 19:10

If it's a rightous rifle I'd buy it in a heatbeat for that little cash. Hell I'd almost double the offer.

JM · May 16, 2011, 23:10

Owned rifle G162x over 30 years ago---it was stamped 7.62. The ones stamped 308 must have been the last ones shipped. I bought that rifle and a 4 digit Sig 210 Cuban contract pistol from an old man back then that was dying----sold them a few years later to buy a Harley which I lost money on--what a disaster!

1811GNR · May 17, 2011, 23:00

Where's the rest of the G experts?

Still workin' on contact info.

**Lee Carpentieri** · May 18, 2011, 02:48

It sounds like he knows what it is worth and nobody was coming close to a decent offer. It would be nice if he thought it was a searcut import like Steyr had imported or even one of the following, Rogaks, EJ Deveco or Even Pedro Bello imported, They sell for a few thousand less less than a G-Series and if it was on the amnesty list like a real G-Series.

1811GNR · May 18, 2011, 07:51

He did have a sheet printed up with all of the G-series details...

BC · May 18, 2011, 11:38

Non-bipod-cut barrel and type 2 receiver are correct. The handguards and flash hider are wrong. The rifle is correct but with those parts switched.

I hope it didn't have a DSA selector - the signature cast, semi-only looking, light gray Park finish.

Take the seller's word on $2700. You will get a deal of the year as long as it's not all beat-up. Well, even it is all beat-up.

**DakTo** · May 18, 2011, 12:07

Quote:

Originally posted by BC
Non-bipod-cut barrel and type 2 receiver are correct. The handguards and flash hider are wrong. The rifle is correct but with those parts switched.

I hope it didn't have a DSA selector - the signature cast, semi-only looking, light gray Park finish.

Take the seller's word on $2700. You will get a deal of the year as long as it's not all beat-up. Well, even it is all beat-up.

BC, I would buy it for that price and more even if it looked like a current APEX G1 kit.

(Have DuraCoat & applicable furniture, will travel!)

**James** · May 23, 2011, 11:59

Have we heard anything more on this rifle? Did someone buy it?

James

1811GNR · May 23, 2011, 14:03

I'm still chasing down contact info.

May 15, 2011, 20:34	#1
1811GNR Registered FALaholic #: 11900 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: WA, USA Posts: 1,046	G-Series at the funshow. Curious Got to check out a G-series at the show this weekend. It didn't seem to fit the configuration I was expecting. It was G85x. The receiver was a Type II, non-bipod-cut barrel, combo device, bipod cut brownish handguards, SRA marked lower, semi only selector, vertical locking lever and plastic grip and buttstock. Yes it was sear-cut. Was the Type II receiver common to the G-Series? Combo device? __________________ "I only wish I had a gun rather than a camera" - Sebastian D'Souza, the photographer who took the picture of the terrorist at the Chatrapathi Sivaji Terminal railway station, Mumbai, India, 26 November 2008

May 15, 2011, 22:03	#3
def90 Old Fart Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 50609 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: The Peoples' Republic of Boulder, Colorado Posts: 8,816	Generally If the serial number started with G and it is sear cut then it should be a G Series, however I believe that there was a later shipment of rifles that have a G in the serial number but are regular 50 series rifles. These rifles will have an importer listed on the receiver when I think the original G Series rifles do not have an imported listed on the receiver. __________________ There is no theory of evolution, just a list of creatures Chuck Norris allows to live. Public libraries cannot let the public decide what is allowed in the library, or it would be brimming with pornography and gun magazines.

May 15, 2011, 22:14	#4
James Veteran Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 642 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dallas, TX, USA Posts: 1,222	Where was the serial number marked? Here's what's wrong with the one you saw. Type II combo non bi pod barrel plastic buttstock browish handguards What was the rest of the serial number? James __________________ Hey guys, watch this!

May 15, 2011, 22:18	#5
1811GNR Registered FALaholic #: 11900 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: WA, USA Posts: 1,046	Sear-cut receiver, didn't open it to check the e-block. The barrel wasn't notched for the index washer of the long flash hider. No importer name/info. F.A.L. cal. 7.62 on left side. No "R" selector. __________________ "I only wish I had a gun rather than a camera" - Sebastian D'Souza, the photographer who took the picture of the terrorist at the Chatrapathi Sivaji Terminal railway station, Mumbai, India, 26 November 2008

May 15, 2011, 22:40	#7
James Veteran Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 642 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dallas, TX, USA Posts: 1,222	I know what you mean, I don't know what to think of it either. As you stated serial # is in the list. Being marked 762 would also be early serial #. Just about everything can be explained except the Type II receiver. All the rest could have been changed out at some time. I don't see it being a replacement receiver. I'm sure someone will be along to add input to this. James __________________ Hey guys, watch this!

May 15, 2011, 21:44	#2
Arby Registered FALaholic #: 653 Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 3,488	I am no expert, but that early a G would seem likely to have had a Type I receiver. I don't think that the Type II receivers on the commercial models were common until the late sixties "Competition" models. It would have had a 3 position lower with a "R" 2 position selector. Probably, it would have had wood handguards and a long Belgian flash hider. Was the receiver sear cut as well as the ejector block, or just the ejector block sear cut?

May 15, 2011, 23:29	#8
JM Registered FALaholic #: 46494 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 625	Was the type type 2 receiver in production when the G series were being imported? I always thought they were built several years after the G imports. The 3 digit serial number would make it late 50's maybe. Something doesn't jive with that rifle. Maybe off topic a little, but still relating to the G series--I have seen quite a few of the regular G rifles and the heavy barrled GL series but never the elusive G series Para. They are on the amnesty list but the serial numbers are way off from the standard G's. Were they imported later and were they stamped FAL cal. 7.62 like the G series rifles?

May 15, 2011, 23:42	#9
Lee Carpentieri Curio & Relic Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 4936 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: N/A Posts: 4,176	G-Series Were the handguards kinda between tan and brown with greyish blue metal front end caps or parked metal end caps? Type two receiver production started in 1962 just about a year before ATFU now known as BATFE stopped the importation of the searcut FA ejector block equipped G-Series, The serial number 1811GNR posted was part of 170 G-Series that was imported in that shipment. So yes it could very well be a legal imported G-Series Type two receivered Fal. I've personally seen the option list on G-Series boxes and the options did include NON Bipod cut handguards and NON bipod cut barrels and different muzzle device options along with options for wood or plastic buttstocks, Handguards, pistol grips, LT weight Lowers/Hidium, Scope mounts that are serial numbered to the weapon from the factory that are machined into the mount itself. The G letter stands for GIFT or Presentation according to FN in Blake Stevens Book as I've also seen some NIB G-Series that had fancy stained color finishes on the Buttstocks. So don't just assume what you really haven't seen or heard of yet. 1811GNR, How much was the person asking for the G-Series you saw? __________________ Live life to the fullest, Because in the end there's only death and taxs.

May 16, 2011, 08:09	#10
1811GNR Registered FALaholic #: 11900 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: WA, USA Posts: 1,046	Lee, the handguards were similar to the brownish color found on the Steyr import sear-cut guns, to my eyes at least. I didn't really pay as much attention to the HG end caps as I should have but iirc they were painted and probably matching the greyish blue of the barrel and gas block. There was also a small mark/stamp of some sort on the top center of the barrel a few inches ahead of the gas block. The fellow that had it was very vague about price. When I asked he responded that he'd been offered $2700 that day and went on about how much the offers were a year ago. I got the impression that it belonged to someone else. Didn't press for more since I wasn't buying that day. I'm sure that I can get in touch with the seller for more info if someone is interested. The ejection port showed the typical signs of being fired but not a lot. The left side of the receiver had quite a bit of wear from the charging handle. The charging handle slide was more square than the later FN's I'm more familiar with. __________________ "I only wish I had a gun rather than a camera" - Sebastian D'Souza, the photographer who took the picture of the terrorist at the Chatrapathi Sivaji Terminal railway station, Mumbai, India, 26 November 2008

May 16, 2011, 08:58	#11
BlasterLP Registered FALaholic #: 2081 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Kansas but now Iraq, wtf was I thinking?? Posts: 950	I would be interested in getting put in contact with the seller. msg me or email me at lorenpete at gmail dot com

May 16, 2011, 18:16	#12
nitro450exp Registered Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 42655 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: N.E. Posts: 413	Hello, The 7.62 is consistent with the earlier models. I have seen one in the mid G1200's with 7.62 marking. Which would put it into the first 400 imported. That one had wood forearm and Long FH. Do not recall bipod cut and reciever type. Nitro

May 16, 2011, 19:10	#13
jaflowers Registered FALaholic #: 26022 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 290	If it's a rightous rifle I'd buy it in a heatbeat for that little cash. Hell I'd almost double the offer.

May 16, 2011, 23:10	#14
JM Registered FALaholic #: 46494 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 625	Owned rifle G162x over 30 years ago---it was stamped 7.62. The ones stamped 308 must have been the last ones shipped. I bought that rifle and a 4 digit Sig 210 Cuban contract pistol from an old man back then that was dying----sold them a few years later to buy a Harley which I lost money on--what a disaster!

May 17, 2011, 23:00	#15
1811GNR Registered FALaholic #: 11900 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: WA, USA Posts: 1,046	Where's the rest of the G experts? Still workin' on contact info. __________________ "I only wish I had a gun rather than a camera" - Sebastian D'Souza, the photographer who took the picture of the terrorist at the Chatrapathi Sivaji Terminal railway station, Mumbai, India, 26 November 2008

May 18, 2011, 02:48	#16
Lee Carpentieri Curio & Relic Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 4936 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: N/A Posts: 4,176	G-Series It sounds like he knows what it is worth and nobody was coming close to a decent offer. It would be nice if he thought it was a searcut import like Steyr had imported or even one of the following, Rogaks, EJ Deveco or Even Pedro Bello imported, They sell for a few thousand less less than a G-Series and if it was on the amnesty list like a real G-Series. __________________ Live life to the fullest, Because in the end there's only death and taxs.

May 18, 2011, 07:51	#17
1811GNR Registered FALaholic #: 11900 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: WA, USA Posts: 1,046	He did have a sheet printed up with all of the G-series details... __________________ "I only wish I had a gun rather than a camera" - Sebastian D'Souza, the photographer who took the picture of the terrorist at the Chatrapathi Sivaji Terminal railway station, Mumbai, India, 26 November 2008

May 18, 2011, 11:38	#18
BC Registered FALaholic #: 752 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: cc Posts: 2,304	Non-bipod-cut barrel and type 2 receiver are correct. The handguards and flash hider are wrong. The rifle is correct but with those parts switched. I hope it didn't have a DSA selector - the signature cast, semi-only looking, light gray Park finish. Take the seller's word on $2700. You will get a deal of the year as long as it's not all beat-up. Well, even it is all beat-up. Last edited by BC; May 18, 2011 at 11:48.

May 23, 2011, 11:59	#20
James Veteran Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 642 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dallas, TX, USA Posts: 1,222	Have we heard anything more on this rifle? Did someone buy it? James __________________ Hey guys, watch this!

May 23, 2011, 14:03	#21
1811GNR Registered FALaholic #: 11900 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: WA, USA Posts: 1,046	I'm still chasing down contact info. __________________ "I only wish I had a gun rather than a camera" - Sebastian D'Souza, the photographer who took the picture of the terrorist at the Chatrapathi Sivaji Terminal railway station, Mumbai, India, 26 November 2008

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