MOSTLY matching G1 kit: Restore or Mod?

ETHRE3 · May 09, 2011, 21:42

Hey guys! So...I'm in a bit of a jam. As you may or may not have read, I recently acquired a G1 kit. The Carrier, Bolt & Lower all match. The flash hider is from another set. Anyway, what are your guys' opinions on the build?
I'm looking to build a tactical weapon system from an FAL platform:
Quad-rail handguard with a mounted X-15 Hellfire tactical light and Troy combat grip, Picatinny rail with an EOTech 552.XR308 and a G23.FTS, a Troy Claymore muzzle break, synthetic stock, the CenTac 9H Molybdenum Coating in OD green (if CGW is still doing them).

The only problem I run into is this...should I do that to a partial matching kit such as this or is that pretty common? Or would you put some mutt kitt together? I guess I'm looking for some guidance from the FAL masters. All of your opinions or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!!

torquemada055 · May 09, 2011, 23:27

WTF!!! This is not some AR mixmaster your dealing with.
This is a G-1 that should be restored to as near original as you can get.

It's an historical artifact, not some p.o.s. R1 or Imbel beater kit.
Go all craptical on a lesser kit.

Rich can turn a sow's ear kit into a silk purse.

Trust me! He's built 6 FAL 's for my family.

jbrooks · May 10, 2011, 00:28

Welcome, ETHRE3!

But just a gentle word from an old fart... the FAL is NOT a "platform".

Most folks here don't really go along with the tacticool FAL, although some may. You may get some grief about wanting to stick doo-dads on your battle rifle.

I know, I have a Colt 6920 that I've added rails and a light to. And it's a fine rifle.

I'd not advise messing up your fine G1 with all that junk. Sell the kit to a collector and maybe buy an IMBEL kit or some such.

I think once you've aded all the shiny things to your FAL, it will be a 14 pound beast that will be a good range rifle, but just try humping it and 10 mags on a 10 Km hill track.

BTW, I hump a 30 pound ALICE pack every few days for a couple miles just to stay in shape. And I'm into my 60s. But I don't like heavy rifles. And BTW, most WWII vets complained about the 10 pound M1 Garand.

But hey, you asked.

JWB

ETHRE3 · May 10, 2011, 00:34

Quote:

Originally posted by torquemada055
WTF!!! This is not some AR mixmaster your dealing with.
This is a G-1 that should be restored to as near original as you can get.

It's an historical artifact, not some p.o.s. R1 or Imbel beater kit.
Go all craptical on a lesser kit.

Rich can turn a sow's ear kit into a silk purse.
Trust me! He's built 6 FAL 's for my family.

While I appreciate your input, I don't think there's any need to be nasty about it. I hope you do not mistake me for someone who does not appreciate a beautiful rifle. That's exactly why I brought it up. When I spoke with the gentleman I bought it from...that's what I thought I was buying: Some thrown together, beater. Even with a few flaws, it didn't seem right to use this particular platform for my planned weapon system. Anyway, I was hoping someone had some suggestions as to what I can do, where I can find the parts/services I need to bring it back or make an offer for it. It has some amazing potential. Just wanted some feed back.

**sturmgrenadiere** · May 10, 2011, 01:08

He's being facetious... not nasty.

Honest recommendation is build it as it's original form or close to it, or part out what you don't need to build the "platform" you desire.

Wood stock? What condition?

If you have a full G-1 kit in good condition, post a pic and people can give you some good steers for value, potential, etc.

Regards

Ben

L/FN · May 10, 2011, 01:24

Are the APEX G1 kits matching lower, B&C?
If yes, build w/it as you please. They are cheap right now.

Now if you had a nice, earlier import kit w/ matching # bbl that would be a different story this day.

ETHRE3 · May 10, 2011, 01:41

Photos of the rifle can be found at this link:
G1 FN-FAL

Battleborn2002 · May 10, 2011, 01:42

I haven't gotten into the historical accuracy thing. I'm into shooters. That said, I like the clean lines of the FAL without hanging a bunch of stuff on it. I'm gathering parts for a para now that will be as light and gadget free as possible.

**LaConservationist** · May 10, 2011, 06:11

Well I will weigh in my thoughts. Let me start by saying that your OP and plans really made me cringe and I think I actually may have shed a tear or two just the thought of what you were talking about doing to that G-1. HOWEVER!

Although there are various other (less popular kits) that would probably make better candidates for your direction of YOUR ULTIMATE FAL. Ultimately, this is YOUR rifle and you are free to take any direction you wish to go with it!

Not to hurt your feelings or trying to discourage you any at all, just DO NOT be very surprised that you do NOT get a whole lot of enthusiasm and or support with the type build you mentioned in the OP here on the files.

Either way, or no matter how much I feel you are doing a complete in justice to a G-1 rifle I do wish you the best of luck with YOUR rifle!

LaC

MistWolf · May 10, 2011, 06:28

Once upon a time, collector grade FALs were sneered at.

Rails add weight to a rifle. Do you really need or even want all that rail estate just for a flashlight and an EOTECH?

**DakTo** · May 10, 2011, 06:39

As tactical as necessary for a battle rifle.

Replace the broken Turkish stock.

**Abominog** · May 10, 2011, 07:18

Using that G1 kit you have- used, mismatched, incomplete- is like building a Grand Am race car from a beat up Camaro. In the end, you'll spend a lot of money and it might look like some tactical rifle, but it won't be.

**Slo cat** · May 10, 2011, 07:58

Quote:

Originally posted by L/FN
Are the APEX G1 kits matching lower, B&C?
If yes, build w/it as you please. They are cheap right now.

Now if you had a nice, earlier import kit w/ matching # bbl that would be a different story this day.

I'm with L/FN. G1 kits abused by the Turks have long been considered about the bottom rung of FAL kits, though the perception of this appears to be changing because the former variety of FAL kits available is drying up. And this is what you have. Matching lower and B&C? Not a big deal. Build whatever pleases you.

I thought you might have a nice find on the type B buttstock until I saw the 'curious' repair on it.

Best Regards,
Slo cat

**msnyder** · May 10, 2011, 08:10

I wouldn't choose a G1 as a platform for a tacticool FAL for multiple reasons. The barrel does not accept standard flash hider/muzzle devices.
G1 barrels are typically not the best in the accuracy department.
G1 gas blocks are typically well worn and tend to blow out gas tubes.
Wood furniture is prone to cracking.

If you want to build on that kit, sell the G1 barrel in the marketplace and get you a brand new Argy barrel from Sarco or if you plan to cut it down get an STG barrel or Imbel barrel as the Argy bores aren't always concentric to barrel. Then get a para lower or some synthetic furniture.

torquemada055 · May 10, 2011, 08:13

I'm SORRY, I did not mean to sound harsh or nasty. I was just shocked by your plans for a G1 kit.

I would rather have one built as a nice restoration of what they were, you can buy a replacement stock and pistol grip that would help it's looks.
If your fairly well off you can contact Blue Monster for some of his fantastic wood products. Or you could go for a bit less investment with Ironwood.

**def90** · May 10, 2011, 08:22

Quote:

Originally posted by ETHRE3
Photos of the rifle can be found at this link:
G1 FN-FAL

You have a beat up barrelless (I am assuming) Turkish G1 kit with a Turkish stock (ie non original, with a nail through it as well) so do what you want with it.. No big deal in my opinion.. Someone would love to have your wood pistol grip though.

However a tactical platform is not what the FAL was intended to be and I think you may spend alot of time and money and end up with something that is a bit lack luster for the intended role.

**macfee421** · May 10, 2011, 08:32

I used a kit to build a "custom" FAL a few years ago. Still have the rifle and like it but regret turning a "rare" kit into a shooter.

Save it and find parts for your build.

I know enough spare parts are laying around members workbenches.

goosebrown · May 10, 2011, 08:33

Said it before, but people disagree with me, but a FAL is not a great tactical platform. I would sell your kit and use the money toward an AR10 of more modern vintage. You realize this is a 40+ year old rifle that you are talking about.

**def90** · May 10, 2011, 08:40

Quote:

Originally posted by goosebrown
You realize this is a 40+ year old rifle that you are talking about.

50+ actually..

**MAINER** · May 10, 2011, 08:57

A G1 that is restored as Dieudonne designed it is a joy. AMHIK. Adding tactical stuff messes with the ergonomimics and throws the fung shuay? out of kiltter.

I can understand and appreciate what your goal is, but like the others, think the FAL is the wrong basis for a "Tactical" rifle. Building a race car from a Pick-up truck, as stated.

Putting the latest in techno-gear on a 60 year design that is only capable of 2 to 4 MOA, with rare exceptions, is not cost productive to me.
I am interested in a .308 Semi-auto Tactical type rifle myself, but it will be 1 MOA capable or I'm not interested. Right now, that's looking like some form of AR-10 or LAR 8.

Those of us that have been on the Files for a while have seen a number of builds that have been modernized. In the end, many have been returned to origional configuration or become spare parts. Very few are sold in modified format for anywhere near what an origional would bring.

Don't mean to discourage you, just something for you to consider. If you build it, we're always interested even if it isn't exactly our "cup of tea".

cbr954fz1 · May 10, 2011, 09:10

i built a tactical fal and it lasted about a day when i realized ''WOW THIS DARN THING IS HEAVY" ..

and it would'nt be my shtf so stripped all that crap off and left it as a carbine stg and i'm mucho happier

..welcome to the files and best of luck w/the direction you take.. i also think that part of the problem is when we go to our entrusted supplier "DSA" they show us all the modern up to date tactical cool stuff on the fal and some of us get the idea that "WOW" maybe i can build one but i rarely see one posted by members here saying that they own one..

but its a phase that you must go through padawan

we all have been there..cbr

L/FN · May 10, 2011, 09:48

His kit appears to be barrel-less. There's a bunch of APEX G1 kits being parted out everyday. If I wanted a base set of FAL parts to build a creation, I would buy a $250.00 G1 kit. Belgian made parts over Imbel.
Maybe he'll build a stock G1 too?

I have a bunch of BGS kits that won't be BGS when I get done with them!!

Larry

**StG58Freak** · May 10, 2011, 12:26

Quote:

Originally posted by L/FN
I have a bunch of BGS kits that won't be BGS when I get done with them!!

Larry

This is an outrage !

Oh the humanity !

This whole thread and the tactical postings are a travesty of FALdom !

Mr. Saive is turning over in his grave and desperately trying to return from the other side to subdue all tactical FAL owners with his trusty Made in Belgium, FN FAL

Welcome aboard O.P., that's you FNG. If ya want all those gadgets on your FAL, go for it, it's yours, you paid for it, but as others have said it's gonna be heavy and the FAL was meant to remain as she was issued.

You'll do alright as long as you drop the arfcom "platform" vernacular. The FAL is an " Battle Rifle " Platforms are shoes strippers wear or an horizontal surface or structure with a horizontal surface raised above the level of the surrounding area.

ETHRE3 · May 10, 2011, 13:28

Apparrently, I wasn't clear enough with the post. Yes. I want a craptical, tacticool rifle becuase I'm a tacti-diot. With that out of the way... I just had a few questions for what had been described to me:

Quote:

Take it to the FAL experts on The FAL Files. These guys really know their stuff and are always ready with some good advice and some help.

I have already admitted, I know VERY little about these rifles. I *still* do not know if this rifle is in any decent shape by standard definition. Maybe I was mistaken to ask here... but this is all I wanted to know:

Is this kit any good or am I a friggin' idiot for dropping $180 on it? (The second part of that question has already been clearly answered)

Where can I take it to restore it, if even advised, and what might need to be done? I know the buttstock is cracked and would need replaced. As well as the butt plate, it looks as if someone had bashed it into something.

If I didn't want to deal with this kit any more, is it even worth anything to anyone? If so, what?

And lastly, no! I do not want an AR. Don't like them. Is there a decent FAL out there that will hold a light and EoTech. That's all I want.

Vernaculars aside. Opinoins made. I just wanted some help from "FAL experts".

**def90** · May 10, 2011, 13:40

Quote:

Originally posted by ETHRE3
I just wanted some help from "FAL experts".

Don't take it the wrong way.. The vast majority of us here just agree that the FAL is not and was never intended to be a tactical weapon hence the fact that very few if any of us own or would bother building a FAL in this configuration.

The most tactical FAL ever produced would be a para model.

$180 is a great price for your kit, you got a good deal, they are currently selling for $250. The stock on your kit is a handmade Turkish replacement, visit Ironwooddesigns.com for a new US stock which will count towards your required US parts. Either a Type "B" or Type "C" would be appropriate. Seeing that you need a barrel and you need a rail for lights and such, goto DSA.com and buy one of their barrels (which will count towards another US part) and one of their railed handguard sets, if you want a more robust plastic stock you can also get one of DSA's stocks. For a receiver go to Coonaninc.com and order one of their new G1 model FAL receivers. If you are looking for someone local in the Denver area to assemble and refinish the rifle, John Appleman at GunSport in Boulder does FAL work (he can refinish your rifle with Norells as well as assemble, though he has a 2 month or so backlog) as well as Hickman Rifles down in Colorado Springs.

Expect to pay $300+ and wait a couple months for a quality assembly and refinish job..

For the configuration you want expect to put in another $800-900 or so in parts. That railed handguard is going to cost you around $300 alone.

Total build from scratch price around $1100-1300.

http://www.dsarms.com/SA58-FAL-PARA-...nfo/SA58ELITE/

This is what I did with my last beat to sh!t Turkish G1 kit:

torquemada055 · May 10, 2011, 14:03

Quote:

we all have been there

Not all have gone the way of the lame side, some of us went Deep into the dark side by going straight from SLR to short gas Para..

Nothing craptical has ever been mounted on any F.A.L. in my family.

goosebrown · May 10, 2011, 14:09

Def90 linked to a great add for DSA. If you really want a FAL in tacticool, they have them made up already and are well done.

You know that you are looking at a barrel $175, receiver $400, new wood stock $165. 922r parts $100. Assembly $200-300 so about $1100 still to come. I think if it were me, I would sell what you have (and yes you got a great deal and might even make $20). Then look at DSA for their completed rifles.

It is your rifle and you can do what you want, but to get where you want to go is expensive and takes work. AND I think that you aren't going to like it that much when finished.

You stated you don't want an AR. I would suggest that you question that assumption. I don't love them, but they are really really really well designed and there are loads of accessories.

TOWS220 · May 10, 2011, 14:24

Just my two cents, but if you want to build a "fighting rifle", the fal is still a good candidate imho. It is not tailored specifically for what we expect in a modern weapon, but it makes a very practical weapon if you stop and plan it out. There is a vast gulf between a practical weapon and a "tactical" weapon.

Rails are heavy and they usually have more slots than you can ever or should ever fill with gadgets. A light is a must, but my mount of choice for FAL would have to be a barrel clamp. Light, practical, and bantam. Everything you need and nothing you don't. Just throw some fiberglass hg on it and you will appreciate the weight reduction.

I also agree that optics are a must, they have been proven time and again to be the single most important factor to increasing effectiveness of rifles in combat. Just go with a railed top cover and use your optic of choice.

Muzzle device subjective based on what you what it to do. For one thing, i have read that the claymore is not effective at redducing recoil and have seen some pics of it with massive muzzleflash. Is that what you want? If it were me I would look for flash suppression first and foremost for a fighting gun, maybe look at a BC if you must improve controllability. You can afford one with all the money you saved from the other gadgets you didn't buy.

Just saying, use some design discipline when you put a rifle together and always think outside the box, practical does not equal rails and gadgets out he ass. Practical is what you could carry everyday, train with all the time, and use when it really counts.

In the end, its your rifle. Do what you want with it. This place can turn into a flame-fest fast though, lots of old curmudgeons gettin nostalgic about the good ole days.

TOWS220 · May 10, 2011, 14:27

Quote:

Originally posted by torquemada055

Not all have gone the way of the lame side, some of us went Deep into the dark side by going straight from SLR to short gas Para..

Nothing craptical has ever been mounted on any F.A.L. in my family.

Not trying to highjack, but...
Torque, how far back did you have the gas block moved? 3 inches?
Your rifle inspired me hardcore, my quasi copy-cat ahould be poking its head up one of these days.

**def90** · May 10, 2011, 14:31

Quote:

Originally posted by TOWS220
Rails are heavy and they usually have more slots than you can ever or should ever fill with gadgets. A light is a must, but my mount of choice for FAL would have to be a barrel clamp. Light, practical, and bantam. Everything you need and nothing you don't. Just throw some fiberglass hg on it and you will appreciate the weight reduction.

Excellent info right there.. plus spare yourself the $300 DSA railed handguards..

jbrooks · May 10, 2011, 15:02

Indeed, nothing against ARs. During the recent tornadoes here in Alabama, when the power was off for a week, I had a good opportunity to experience real-world utility in a close-to-SHTF scenario.

I luv my FALs and M1As, and have at least one of about every US military weapon since WWII available to me.

But the only weapons that actually accompanied me at bedtime and around the house/yard was my Colt 6920 with rail and SIG light/laser loaded with a 30-round mag...and a SIG P226 loaded with Gold Dots.

Now, I have a para FAL with a S&B 1.5-4 scope and it is just as good if not better than the Colt, but it is heavier and frankly too much power for in-house defensive shooting or popping squirrels in the yard.

So you have to take a look at what you really mean by a "tactical" rifle. Bear in mind that, until law completely breaks down (very doubtful) you will be limited in range as to what is legally "self defense". No 600 yard shots on "threats" you may perceive. You will be locked up for a long time if you pop a bad guy at that range.

CQB with a .308 is something to behold. Ask me how I know.

Let off a couple rounds in a closed space and you will be deaf and blind for a while, plus the smoke and smell will be overwhelming to a non-professional.

I appreciate the look of the Tacticool stuff on the DSA website. But take it from somebody who knows, stick with the tactical AR carbine for most practical applications. Heck, even the SEALS use them.

And they also use the SIG 226, BTW.

So build your tacticool weapon if you like, we all have grown through the process and we have all made such decisions in the past.

JWB

MistWolf · May 10, 2011, 16:22

Quote:

Originally posted by ETHRE3
Apparrently, I wasn't clear enough with the post. Yes. I want a craptical, tacticool rifle becuase I'm a tacti-diot. With that out of the way... I just had a few questions for what had been described to me:

I have already admitted, I know VERY little about these rifles. I *still* do not know if this rifle is in any decent shape by standard definition. Maybe I was mistaken to ask here... but this is all I wanted to know:

Is this kit any good or am I a friggin' idiot for dropping $180 on it? (The second part of that question has already been clearly answered)

Where can I take it to restore it, if even advised, and what might need to be done? I know the buttstock is cracked and would need replaced. As well as the butt plate, it looks as if someone had bashed it into something.

If I didn't want to deal with this kit any more, is it even worth anything to anyone? If so, what?

And lastly, no! I do not want an AR. Don't like them. Is there a decent FAL out there that will hold a light and EoTech. That's all I want.

Vernaculars aside. Opinoins made. I just wanted some help from "FAL experts".

There has been a case made for selling what you have & buying a DSA. If the DSA is what you're looking for, it may be less expensive to buy it complete rather than to build a copy. However, the DSA may not be available.

Myself, I would use a railed dust cover to mount the EOTECH and I would use regular FAL handguards and mount a short section of rail to mount a flashlight to.

An 18" DSA barrel with a Belgian Combo Device mounted at the muzzle would serve well. The Belgian Combo Device is a surprisingly good brake and is a good value for the FAL.

If I were to sell this kit, I would go with a Para lower. It will cost more and probably some time to locate but would be handier. If an aluminum Para lower came up for sale, I'd grab that without hesitation

Some welcome for a new guy on a forum, eh?

Clonehead · May 10, 2011, 18:02

You'd think the OP kicked someone's puppy!

ETHRE3, hope you build the rifle you want and don't listen to all the purists crying foul. I built a similar rifle to what you are describing by piecing parts together to get exactly what I wanted.

Either buy a complete rifle from DSA close to what you want and change a few things to fit your needs, or build your own from parts because you will have a much better understanding of your rifle and end up with exactly what you want.

Keep the G1 kit and build it into a complete rifle at some point because you cannot have just one FAL...and it will distract the purists from your other project.

Best of luck!

**macfee421** · May 10, 2011, 19:44

Lots of parts out there, Start building!

Torquemada · May 10, 2011, 19:55

Quote:

Originally posted by def90
Someone would love to have your wood pistol grip though.

Indeed, if you decide you want to sell that pistol grip, or if you want to trade it for a synthetic one (in good condition from a similar G1 kit I recently purchased from Apex), please let me know.

With regard to your kit, I'd definitely say it's your rifle to do with as you please.

JKJ1911 · May 10, 2011, 21:12

I'm having to agree with the Para setup for a modern FAL, as for the railed forend, I have a short section of rail on an imbel bipod cut handguards, and a hellfighter light in a low weaver ring attached, it's all the rail I need, Vortex FH, Leupold VXR scope, 18" imbel bbl, I went with the traditional Para stock, I love it, it has everything it needs, nothing it doesn't, and doesn't come close to looking "tapco fucked" if I decide it's no longer my "go to" gun and want it to look classic, I'm out the railed topcover. And a new Molyresin finish as this one is FDE. Just my .002.

35fg19 · May 10, 2011, 22:38

Some of us have been here for a long time and have been in the hobby for even longer. Every day more and more new and younger people are joining and building FALs.
The younger folks just love the new fangled stuff like rails, lights and red dots and the older generations have to learn to deal with these issues and be more patient because they are not going to go away. It's not a passing fad and it will only get worse so in 10 years, you won't even recognize the base rifle with all the do-dads hanging off it.

jbrooks · May 10, 2011, 22:59

Quote:

Originally posted by 35fg19
Some of us have been here for a long time and have been in the hobby for even longer. Every day more and more new and younger people are joining and building FALs.
The younger folks just love the new fangled stuff like rails, lights and red dots and the older generations have to learn to deal with these issues and be more patient because they are not going to go away. It's not a passing fad and it will only get worse so in 10 years, you won't even recognize the base rifle with all the do-dads hanging off it.

HA!

Yea, good point. As time passes I realize the younger generation (under 35 or so...) is on a different planet in many respects. They couldn't care less about how things were done in "the old days", nor do they care about the efforts we put in to getting their generation to where it is. Such is life.

I'm sure I was a PITA when I was in my 30's too.

Shucks, just think... if things didn't change, we wouldn't have the SCAR 17 nor the .204 Ruger... both tremendous technological innovations that the world cannot live without.

And now my wife is wanting an iPad!! Yikes! Where did that come from??

JWB

ETHRE3 · May 11, 2011, 01:20

Quote:

Originally posted by TOWS220
Just my two cents, but if you want to build a "fighting rifle", the fal is still a good candidate imho. It is not tailored specifically for what we expect in a modern weapon, but it makes a very practical weapon if you stop and plan it out. There is a vast gulf between a practical weapon and a "tactical" weapon.

Rails are heavy and they usually have more slots than you can ever or should ever fill with gadgets. A light is a must, but my mount of choice for FAL would have to be a barrel clamp. Light, practical, and bantam. Everything you need and nothing you don't. Just throw some fiberglass hg on it and you will appreciate the weight reduction.

I also agree that optics are a must, they have been proven time and again to be the single most important factor to increasing effectiveness of rifles in combat. Just go with a railed top cover and use your optic of choice.

Muzzle device subjective based on what you what it to do. For one thing, i have read that the claymore is not effective at redducing recoil and have seen some pics of it with massive muzzleflash. Is that what you want? If it were me I would look for flash suppression first and foremost for a fighting gun, maybe look at a BC if you must improve controllability. You can afford one with all the money you saved from the other gadgets you didn't buy.

Just saying, use some design discipline when you put a rifle together and always think outside the box, practical does not equal rails and gadgets out he ass. Practical is what you could carry everyday, train with all the time, and use when it really counts.

In the end, its your rifle. Do what you want with it. This place can turn into a flame-fest fast though, lots of old curmudgeons gettin nostalgic about the good ole days.

That is some great advice, thank you. Do you have any suggestions for a good barrel clamp? Same to MistWolf & Clonehead. I appreciate the advice you have all given. MacFee421: Wow! Nice FAL trove.

With all the info you've all given, it's a lot to think about. Contrary to one opinion, I do love the way these rifles look in original state and I would absolutely love to own a beautifully restored one. I was just under the impression that this was some junk kit and that some of the newer manufactures are of far lower quality and reliability. Anyway, I'd love to rebuid one but maybe I should wait and look into DSA. Sounds like a good option to start at. I may have to consider letting a collector who needs a project or wants to rebuild her buy it off me. As I said, she's got potential.

ETHRE3 · May 11, 2011, 23:41

After thinking about it for a while... I think I will offer the kit to anyone interested. Please PM or email any offers or trades you might have for the kit. If I don't answer right away, I will try to get back to you as soon as I can.

I had a guy promise me a new/used chrome lined barrel for $65 and an Imbel receiver for $450. Now he wants $150 for the barrel and $600 for the receiver. I'll bet you can imagine what I told him to do with the parts. After that set back and with the wedding fast approaching in June, I think it might be better in the overall to get something from DSA. Hopefully I can find something as reliable from there. That's my first, main priority...superb reliability.

It's too bad. I'll be sad to see it go. It would have been fun to build, I'm sure. I'll try again down the line. Besides, there's BOUND to be someone who'll put some love into it! Right?!

chrsdwns · May 12, 2011, 00:09

Actually, doing mods to a G1 is not that bad and a decent G1 kit is a great starting point for modern tactical build.

Pretty much everything is reversible back to stock configuration and a lot of G1 barrels were in nice shape except for the last 2-4 inches near the muzzle. Cutting the barrels back to 16-18 in and re crowning often restored the barrels back to very usable condition.

Shorter FAL barrels often are more accurate, lighter and handle better. Shortened G1 barrels shoot very well.

G1 barrels were kind of unique. They used a tougher, harder grade of steel than later barrels so a good G1 barrel is worth restoring.

From an originality standpoint, I think I'd just as soon have nice chopped original FN G1 barrel in good shape than G1 barrel in original length with a shot out, damaged and pitted muzzle section or a non G1 barrel.

From mods stand point, FALs are a weapon of war and anything that makes them a better weapon can't be a bad thing. It's better than being melted down into paper clips

On the other hand, DSA short gas system tactical FALs are really nice, reliable working or self defense rifles.

StoneyCreekMrMauser · May 12, 2011, 14:26

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Originally posted by ETHRE3
Photos of the rifle can be found at this link:
G1 FN-FAL

Not to be picky, but that looks more like the early Belgian kit I bought from Apex some months ago. My stock has that same lug in it and the grip looks the same.

That kit is in the process of being built into a carbine with a 16" barrel. not exactly original, but it's what I want it to be. That's the advantage of building your own.

If you don't sell the kit, the handguard holes will mount a DSA rail section on the sides or bottom. A para rear sight or DSA A2 style sight would be a nice add-on. DSA also has several kinds of tactical buttstock doo-dads available.

I do add the caution, however, that any add-ons will add considerable weight to the rifle. Some weight can be shaved off with aluminum lowers and plastic furniture but as said the balance of the rifle will be altered.

Either way you go, good luck with it!

MistWolf · May 12, 2011, 14:51

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Originally posted by ETHRE3
After thinking about it for a while... I think I will offer the kit to anyone interested. Please PM or email any offers or trades you might have for the kit. If I don't answer right away, I will try to get back to you as soon as I can.

I had a guy promise me a new/used chrome lined barrel for $65 and an Imbel receiver for $450. Now he wants $150 for the barrel and $600 for the receiver. I'll bet you can imagine what I told him to do with the parts. After that set back and with the wedding fast approaching in June, I think it might be better in the overall to get something from DSA. Hopefully I can find something as reliable from there. That's my first, main priority...superb reliability.

It's too bad. I'll be sad to see it go. It would have been fun to build, I'm sure. I'll try again down the line. Besides, there's BOUND to be someone who'll put some love into it! Right?!

Nothing wrong with hanging on to what you have until you can collect enough parts to build a FAL the way you want it or buy a complete FAL. You can sell the parts off at that time or simply realize they are the seeds for your next one. You could always try working out a trade with someone here on the Files.

While $150 may be a fair price for a barrel, the guy is crazy asking $600 for an Imbel receiver.

To mount a flashlight on a FAL, I would put a short rail on a handguard rather than use a barrel mount.

Building your FAL will give you a sense of accomplishment that simply buying one cannot match

IRONWORKER · May 12, 2011, 14:57

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Originally posted by StoneyCreekMrMauser

Not to be picky, but that looks more like the early Belgian kit I bought from Apex some months ago. My stock has that same lug in it and the grip looks the same.

It's not - That's a G1

divkat9 · May 12, 2011, 15:30

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Originally posted by ETHRE3
After thinking about it for a while... I think I will offer the kit to anyone interested. Please PM or email any offers or trades you might have for the kit. If I don't answer right away, I will try to get back to you as soon as I can.

I had a guy promise me a new/used chrome lined barrel for $65 and an Imbel receiver for $450. Now he wants $150 for the barrel and $600 for the receiver. I'll bet you can imagine what I told him to do with the parts. After that set back and with the wedding fast approaching in June, I think it might be better in the overall to get something from DSA. Hopefully I can find something as reliable from there. That's my first, main priority...superb reliability.

It's too bad. I'll be sad to see it go. It would have been fun to build, I'm sure. I'll try again down the line. Besides, there's BOUND to be someone who'll put some love into it! Right?!

Sent you an offer...

May 09, 2011, 21:42	#1
ETHRE3 Registered FALaholic #: 63462 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Thornton, CO Posts: 7	MOSTLY matching G1 kit: Restore or Mod? Hey guys! So...I'm in a bit of a jam. As you may or may not have read, I recently acquired a G1 kit. The Carrier, Bolt & Lower all match. The flash hider is from another set. Anyway, what are your guys' opinions on the build? I'm looking to build a tactical weapon system from an FAL platform: Quad-rail handguard with a mounted X-15 Hellfire tactical light and Troy combat grip, Picatinny rail with an EOTech 552.XR308 and a G23.FTS, a Troy Claymore muzzle break, synthetic stock, the CenTac 9H Molybdenum Coating in OD green (if CGW is still doing them). The only problem I run into is this...should I do that to a partial matching kit such as this or is that pretty common? Or would you put some mutt kitt together? I guess I'm looking for some guidance from the FAL masters. All of your opinions or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!! __________________ "Respice post te! Hominem te memento!" ("Look behind you! Remember that you are but a man!")

May 09, 2011, 23:27	#2
torquemada055 Registered FALaholic #: 15170 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: 5thBt. 31st FF Posts: 3,632	WTF!!! This is not some AR mixmaster your dealing with. This is a G-1 that should be restored to as near original as you can get. It's an historical artifact, not some p.o.s. R1 or Imbel beater kit. Go all craptical on a lesser kit. Rich can turn a sow's ear kit into a silk purse. Trust me! He's built 6 FAL 's for my family. __________________ NEVER forget April 19, 1775, and hell NO the bridge aint for sale!! I know, let's abolish the Fed, get out of the u.n. and kick them out of the country, close our borders and deport all illegals, bring every military member back home and close all foreign military bases. Cut ALL tax rates personal and business to 11%, abolish all unconstitutional federal agencies. It'll hurt but it would help us as a country.

May 10, 2011, 01:08	#5
sturmgrenadiere Moderator Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 1010 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Quantico, Va Posts: 2,539	He's being facetious... not nasty. Honest recommendation is build it as it's original form or close to it, or part out what you don't need to build the "platform" you desire. Wood stock? What condition? If you have a full G-1 kit in good condition, post a pic and people can give you some good steers for value, potential, etc. Regards Ben __________________ They had Kings and Queens, we had a flag. The grass is neither greener or better. It is just grass, and it still itches. No rubber dogshit out of Hong Kong yet, but I am waiting for that mission...

May 10, 2011, 01:24	#6
L/FN Registered FALaholic #: 139 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Kansas. Just Dust in the Wind Posts: 3,340	Are the APEX G1 kits matching lower, B&C? If yes, build w/it as you please. They are cheap right now. Now if you had a nice, earlier import kit w/ matching # bbl that would be a different story this day. __________________ "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luke 22:36 Times of FALs and no money are better than times of money and no FALs.

May 10, 2011, 01:41	#7
ETHRE3 Registered FALaholic #: 63462 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Thornton, CO Posts: 7	Photos of the rifle can be found at this link: G1 FN-FAL __________________ "Respice post te! Hominem te memento!" ("Look behind you! Remember that you are but a man!")

May 10, 2011, 00:28	#3
jbrooks Registered FALaholic #: 10395 Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,621	Welcome, ETHRE3! But just a gentle word from an old fart... the FAL is NOT a "platform". Most folks here don't really go along with the tacticool FAL, although some may. You may get some grief about wanting to stick doo-dads on your battle rifle. I know, I have a Colt 6920 that I've added rails and a light to. And it's a fine rifle. I'd not advise messing up your fine G1 with all that junk. Sell the kit to a collector and maybe buy an IMBEL kit or some such. I think once you've aded all the shiny things to your FAL, it will be a 14 pound beast that will be a good range rifle, but just try humping it and 10 mags on a 10 Km hill track. BTW, I hump a 30 pound ALICE pack every few days for a couple miles just to stay in shape. And I'm into my 60s. But I don't like heavy rifles. And BTW, most WWII vets complained about the 10 pound M1 Garand. But hey, you asked. JWB

May 10, 2011, 01:42	#8
Battleborn2002 Registered FALaholic #: 50815 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Silver City, Nevada Posts: 251	I haven't gotten into the historical accuracy thing. I'm into shooters. That said, I like the clean lines of the FAL without hanging a bunch of stuff on it. I'm gathering parts for a para now that will be as light and gadget free as possible. __________________ In an epoch of uncertainty, someone always needs a fraud to believe in.

May 10, 2011, 06:11	#9
LaConservationist IN DENIAL NOT ADDICTED!! Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 42319 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: South Louisiana Bayous! Posts: 6,392	Well I will weigh in my thoughts. Let me start by saying that your OP and plans really made me cringe and I think I actually may have shed a tear or two just the thought of what you were talking about doing to that G-1. HOWEVER! Although there are various other (less popular kits) that would probably make better candidates for your direction of YOUR ULTIMATE FAL. Ultimately, this is YOUR rifle and you are free to take any direction you wish to go with it! Not to hurt your feelings or trying to discourage you any at all, just DO NOT be very surprised that you do NOT get a whole lot of enthusiasm and or support with the type build you mentioned in the OP here on the files. Either way, or no matter how much I feel you are doing a complete in justice to a G-1 rifle I do wish you the best of luck with YOUR rifle! LaC __________________ In MEMORY of Roger "DUNKRD" Dunkelbarger September 13, 1943 - May 09, 2010 "Any one who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him, better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford

May 10, 2011, 06:28	#10
MistWolf Registered FALaholic #: 7435 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Utah Posts: 2,155	Once upon a time, collector grade FALs were sneered at. Rails add weight to a rifle. Do you really need or even want all that rail estate just for a flashlight and an EOTECH? __________________ "Mom! Phineas and Pherb are in the backyard building FALs!"

May 10, 2011, 06:39	#11
DakTo MadMinuteDude Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 9689 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Constitution State Posts: 5,430	As tactical as necessary for a battle rifle. Replace the broken Turkish stock. __________________ Never Take A Pistol To A Gun Fight!

May 10, 2011, 07:18	#12
Abominog Old Fart Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 372 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Finger Lakes, NY Posts: 6,553	Using that G1 kit you have- used, mismatched, incomplete- is like building a Grand Am race car from a beat up Camaro. In the end, you'll spend a lot of money and it might look like some tactical rifle, but it won't be. __________________ They will live a long time, these men of the South Pacific. They, like their victories, will be remembered as long as our generation lives. Longer and longer shadows will obscure them, until their Guadalcanal sounds distant on the ear like Shiloh and Valley Forge. --- Michener, Tales of the South Pacific Tempus Edax Rerum

May 10, 2011, 08:10	#14
msnyder Curio & Relic Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 1085 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: New Mexico Posts: 2,816	I wouldn't choose a G1 as a platform for a tacticool FAL for multiple reasons. The barrel does not accept standard flash hider/muzzle devices. G1 barrels are typically not the best in the accuracy department. G1 gas blocks are typically well worn and tend to blow out gas tubes. Wood furniture is prone to cracking. If you want to build on that kit, sell the G1 barrel in the marketplace and get you a brand new Argy barrel from Sarco or if you plan to cut it down get an STG barrel or Imbel barrel as the Argy bores aren't always concentric to barrel. Then get a para lower or some synthetic furniture.

May 10, 2011, 08:13	#15
torquemada055 Registered FALaholic #: 15170 Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: 5thBt. 31st FF Posts: 3,632	I'm SORRY, I did not mean to sound harsh or nasty. I was just shocked by your plans for a G1 kit. I would rather have one built as a nice restoration of what they were, you can buy a replacement stock and pistol grip that would help it's looks. If your fairly well off you can contact Blue Monster for some of his fantastic wood products. Or you could go for a bit less investment with Ironwood. __________________ NEVER forget April 19, 1775, and hell NO the bridge aint for sale!! I know, let's abolish the Fed, get out of the u.n. and kick them out of the country, close our borders and deport all illegals, bring every military member back home and close all foreign military bases. Cut ALL tax rates personal and business to 11%, abolish all unconstitutional federal agencies. It'll hurt but it would help us as a country.

May 10, 2011, 08:32	#17
macfee421 Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 39447 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: mo Posts: 406	e I used a kit to build a "custom" FAL a few years ago. Still have the rifle and like it but regret turning a "rare" kit into a shooter. Save it and find parts for your build. I know enough spare parts are laying around members workbenches.

May 10, 2011, 08:33	#18
goosebrown Registered FALaholic #: 55207 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Half Moon Bay, Ca. Posts: 370	Said it before, but people disagree with me, but a FAL is not a great tactical platform. I would sell your kit and use the money toward an AR10 of more modern vintage. You realize this is a 40+ year old rifle that you are talking about.

May 10, 2011, 08:57	#20
MAINER Old Fart Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 18465 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Maine Posts: 6,289	A G1 that is restored as Dieudonne designed it is a joy. AMHIK. Adding tactical stuff messes with the ergonomimics and throws the fung shuay? out of kiltter. I can understand and appreciate what your goal is, but like the others, think the FAL is the wrong basis for a "Tactical" rifle. Building a race car from a Pick-up truck, as stated. Putting the latest in techno-gear on a 60 year design that is only capable of 2 to 4 MOA, with rare exceptions, is not cost productive to me. I am interested in a .308 Semi-auto Tactical type rifle myself, but it will be 1 MOA capable or I'm not interested. Right now, that's looking like some form of AR-10 or LAR 8. Those of us that have been on the Files for a while have seen a number of builds that have been modernized. In the end, many have been returned to origional configuration or become spare parts. Very few are sold in modified format for anywhere near what an origional would bring. Don't mean to discourage you, just something for you to consider. If you build it, we're always interested even if it isn't exactly our "cup of tea". __________________ Joe Biden for President.

May 10, 2011, 09:10	#21
cbr954fz1 Registered FALaholic #: 35401 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: florida Posts: 1,079	i built a tactical fal and it lasted about a day when i realized ''WOW THIS DARN THING IS HEAVY" .. and it would'nt be my shtf so stripped all that crap off and left it as a carbine stg and i'm mucho happier ..welcome to the files and best of luck w/the direction you take.. i also think that part of the problem is when we go to our entrusted supplier "DSA" they show us all the modern up to date tactical cool stuff on the fal and some of us get the idea that "WOW" maybe i can build one but i rarely see one posted by members here saying that they own one.. but its a phase that you must go through padawan we all have been there..cbr Last edited by cbr954fz1; May 10, 2011 at 09:22.

May 10, 2011, 09:48	#22
L/FN Registered FALaholic #: 139 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Kansas. Just Dust in the Wind Posts: 3,340	His kit appears to be barrel-less. There's a bunch of APEX G1 kits being parted out everyday. If I wanted a base set of FAL parts to build a creation, I would buy a $250.00 G1 kit. Belgian made parts over Imbel. Maybe he'll build a stock G1 too? I have a bunch of BGS kits that won't be BGS when I get done with them!! Larry __________________ "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luke 22:36 Times of FALs and no money are better than times of money and no FALs.

May 10, 2011, 14:09	#27
goosebrown Registered FALaholic #: 55207 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Half Moon Bay, Ca. Posts: 370	Def90 linked to a great add for DSA. If you really want a FAL in tacticool, they have them made up already and are well done. You know that you are looking at a barrel $175, receiver $400, new wood stock $165. 922r parts $100. Assembly $200-300 so about $1100 still to come. I think if it were me, I would sell what you have (and yes you got a great deal and might even make $20). Then look at DSA for their completed rifles. It is your rifle and you can do what you want, but to get where you want to go is expensive and takes work. AND I think that you aren't going to like it that much when finished. You stated you don't want an AR. I would suggest that you question that assumption. I don't love them, but they are really really really well designed and there are loads of accessories.

May 10, 2011, 14:24	#28
TOWS220 Registered FALaholic #: 51208 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: N. Carolina Posts: 562	Just my two cents, but if you want to build a "fighting rifle", the fal is still a good candidate imho. It is not tailored specifically for what we expect in a modern weapon, but it makes a very practical weapon if you stop and plan it out. There is a vast gulf between a practical weapon and a "tactical" weapon. Rails are heavy and they usually have more slots than you can ever or should ever fill with gadgets. A light is a must, but my mount of choice for FAL would have to be a barrel clamp. Light, practical, and bantam. Everything you need and nothing you don't. Just throw some fiberglass hg on it and you will appreciate the weight reduction. I also agree that optics are a must, they have been proven time and again to be the single most important factor to increasing effectiveness of rifles in combat. Just go with a railed top cover and use your optic of choice. Muzzle device subjective based on what you what it to do. For one thing, i have read that the claymore is not effective at redducing recoil and have seen some pics of it with massive muzzleflash. Is that what you want? If it were me I would look for flash suppression first and foremost for a fighting gun, maybe look at a BC if you must improve controllability. You can afford one with all the money you saved from the other gadgets you didn't buy. Just saying, use some design discipline when you put a rifle together and always think outside the box, practical does not equal rails and gadgets out he ass. Practical is what you could carry everyday, train with all the time, and use when it really counts. In the end, its your rifle. Do what you want with it. This place can turn into a flame-fest fast though, lots of old curmudgeons gettin nostalgic about the good ole days.

May 10, 2011, 15:02	#31
jbrooks Registered FALaholic #: 10395 Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,621	Indeed, nothing against ARs. During the recent tornadoes here in Alabama, when the power was off for a week, I had a good opportunity to experience real-world utility in a close-to-SHTF scenario. I luv my FALs and M1As, and have at least one of about every US military weapon since WWII available to me. But the only weapons that actually accompanied me at bedtime and around the house/yard was my Colt 6920 with rail and SIG light/laser loaded with a 30-round mag...and a SIG P226 loaded with Gold Dots. Now, I have a para FAL with a S&B 1.5-4 scope and it is just as good if not better than the Colt, but it is heavier and frankly too much power for in-house defensive shooting or popping squirrels in the yard. So you have to take a look at what you really mean by a "tactical" rifle. Bear in mind that, until law completely breaks down (very doubtful) you will be limited in range as to what is legally "self defense". No 600 yard shots on "threats" you may perceive. You will be locked up for a long time if you pop a bad guy at that range. CQB with a .308 is something to behold. Ask me how I know. Let off a couple rounds in a closed space and you will be deaf and blind for a while, plus the smoke and smell will be overwhelming to a non-professional. I appreciate the look of the Tacticool stuff on the DSA website. But take it from somebody who knows, stick with the tactical AR carbine for most practical applications. Heck, even the SEALS use them. And they also use the SIG 226, BTW. So build your tacticool weapon if you like, we all have grown through the process and we have all made such decisions in the past. JWB

May 10, 2011, 18:02	#33
Clonehead Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 27461 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 342	You'd think the OP kicked someone's puppy! ETHRE3, hope you build the rifle you want and don't listen to all the purists crying foul. I built a similar rifle to what you are describing by piecing parts together to get exactly what I wanted. Either buy a complete rifle from DSA close to what you want and change a few things to fit your needs, or build your own from parts because you will have a much better understanding of your rifle and end up with exactly what you want. Keep the G1 kit and build it into a complete rifle at some point because you cannot have just one FAL...and it will distract the purists from your other project. Best of luck!

May 10, 2011, 19:44	#34
macfee421 Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 39447 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: mo Posts: 406	plenty of parts Lots of parts out there, Start building!

May 10, 2011, 21:12	#36
JKJ1911 Registered FALaholic #: 32177 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 268	I'm having to agree with the Para setup for a modern FAL, as for the railed forend, I have a short section of rail on an imbel bipod cut handguards, and a hellfighter light in a low weaver ring attached, it's all the rail I need, Vortex FH, Leupold VXR scope, 18" imbel bbl, I went with the traditional Para stock, I love it, it has everything it needs, nothing it doesn't, and doesn't come close to looking "tapco fucked" if I decide it's no longer my "go to" gun and want it to look classic, I'm out the railed topcover. And a new Molyresin finish as this one is FDE. Just my .002.

May 10, 2011, 22:38	#37
35fg19 Registered FALaholic #: 34518 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Anchorage Posts: 186	Some of us have been here for a long time and have been in the hobby for even longer. Every day more and more new and younger people are joining and building FALs. The younger folks just love the new fangled stuff like rails, lights and red dots and the older generations have to learn to deal with these issues and be more patient because they are not going to go away. It's not a passing fad and it will only get worse so in 10 years, you won't even recognize the base rifle with all the do-dads hanging off it.

May 11, 2011, 23:41	#40
ETHRE3 Registered FALaholic #: 63462 Join Date: May 2011 Location: Thornton, CO Posts: 7	After thinking about it for a while... I think I will offer the kit to anyone interested. Please PM or email any offers or trades you might have for the kit. If I don't answer right away, I will try to get back to you as soon as I can. I had a guy promise me a new/used chrome lined barrel for $65 and an Imbel receiver for $450. Now he wants $150 for the barrel and $600 for the receiver. I'll bet you can imagine what I told him to do with the parts. After that set back and with the wedding fast approaching in June, I think it might be better in the overall to get something from DSA. Hopefully I can find something as reliable from there. That's my first, main priority...superb reliability. It's too bad. I'll be sad to see it go. It would have been fun to build, I'm sure. I'll try again down the line. Besides, there's BOUND to be someone who'll put some love into it! Right?! __________________ "Respice post te! Hominem te memento!" ("Look behind you! Remember that you are but a man!") Last edited by ETHRE3; May 12, 2011 at 00:02.

May 12, 2011, 00:09	#41
chrsdwns Registered FALaholic #: 9846 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: USA Posts: 2,582	Actually, doing mods to a G1 is not that bad and a decent G1 kit is a great starting point for modern tactical build. Pretty much everything is reversible back to stock configuration and a lot of G1 barrels were in nice shape except for the last 2-4 inches near the muzzle. Cutting the barrels back to 16-18 in and re crowning often restored the barrels back to very usable condition. Shorter FAL barrels often are more accurate, lighter and handle better. Shortened G1 barrels shoot very well. G1 barrels were kind of unique. They used a tougher, harder grade of steel than later barrels so a good G1 barrel is worth restoring. From an originality standpoint, I think I'd just as soon have nice chopped original FN G1 barrel in good shape than G1 barrel in original length with a shot out, damaged and pitted muzzle section or a non G1 barrel. From mods stand point, FALs are a weapon of war and anything that makes them a better weapon can't be a bad thing. It's better than being melted down into paper clips On the other hand, DSA short gas system tactical FALs are really nice, reliable working or self defense rifles. __________________ "Those who do not move do not notice their chains. " -Rosa Luxumberg "There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final and total catastrophe of the currency system involved." ~~Ludwig Von Mises ...when poets buy guns, tourist season is over................Walter R. Mead.

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