Silver Bear 9mm ammo - failure to extract

**W.E.G.** · April 22, 2011, 14:49

Tried it for the first time today.

Two guns.
Browning HiPower (FN Belgian)
Smith and Wesson 659

Fired seven full mags through the S&W 659.
Four failures to extract.
Each time, the extractor over-rode the rim, and the slide tried to pick up the next round, causing a jam.

Fired just two mags through through the HiPower.
One failure to extract.
Same behavior as the S&W.

Neither of these guns had ever demonstrated this sort of malfunction before.

This stuff.

Dopavash · April 22, 2011, 15:33

Never had any trouble in my Glock with Silver Bear, Brown bear, Wolf, Monarch, etc.

**W.E.G.** · April 22, 2011, 16:13

I'll be trying it in the Glock in due course.

Today wasn't a Glock day.
Gotta do that every now and again to stay centered.

**W.E.G.** · April 22, 2011, 16:32

Here's the best pic I could get of the rim from the HiPower malfunction.

**W.E.G.** · April 22, 2011, 16:41

What I'm thinking may be happening here is, the extractor is grabbing that zinc-plating, instead of digging into the steel. The zinc-plating gets peeled off the rim like would happen if you tried to grab a watermelon in a plastic bag. You get bag instead of melon.

Here's one of the cases from the Smith and Wesson failure.

It doesn't help that the underlying metal below the zinc-plate seems to be much more brittle than brass.

**W.E.G.** · April 22, 2011, 16:47

Here's one more rim from the Smith and Wesson failure.

**gobbler** · April 22, 2011, 17:51

I shoot it in my Uzi & you can hear it hit the target at 50yds......IMHO your problem is it is weak & not enough recoil to eject, especially with a HP spring.

gobbler

**Thorack** · April 22, 2011, 18:47

WEG,

You keep your watermelon in a bag? WTF?

Thorack

**XMAN** · April 23, 2011, 15:54

The problem is , he is not useing a Glock.

RG Coburn · April 23, 2011, 20:46

You feed McDonalds to an athelete...
What do want to happen?

**tuck0411** · April 28, 2011, 21:47

I've shot quite a bit of Brown Bear out of my Glock 26 without any problems. Have not tried Silver Bear.

thebufenator · May 03, 2011, 00:04

Haven't had an issue shooting Silver Bear in my wife's Glock 17 or my Beretta 92

**brunop** · May 06, 2011, 08:23

Two worn extractor hooks on older guns?

April 22, 2011, 16:13	#3
W.E.G. Administrator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1211 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 31,109	I'll be trying it in the Glock in due course. Today wasn't a Glock day. Gotta do that every now and again to stay centered. __________________ . . . Ask me about the Mason-Dixon FAL Collectors Association.

April 22, 2011, 16:32	#4
W.E.G. Administrator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1211 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 31,109	Here's the best pic I could get of the rim from the HiPower malfunction. __________________ . . . Ask me about the Mason-Dixon FAL Collectors Association.

April 22, 2011, 16:41	#5
W.E.G. Administrator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1211 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 31,109	What I'm thinking may be happening here is, the extractor is grabbing that zinc-plating, instead of digging into the steel. The zinc-plating gets peeled off the rim like would happen if you tried to grab a watermelon in a plastic bag. You get bag instead of melon. Here's one of the cases from the Smith and Wesson failure. It doesn't help that the underlying metal below the zinc-plate seems to be much more brittle than brass. __________________ . . . Ask me about the Mason-Dixon FAL Collectors Association.

April 22, 2011, 16:47	#6
W.E.G. Administrator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1211 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 31,109	Here's one more rim from the Smith and Wesson failure. __________________ . . . Ask me about the Mason-Dixon FAL Collectors Association.

April 22, 2011, 18:47	#8
Thorack Acquisition Corp Dude Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 748 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Omaha, Nebraska, USA Posts: 5,870	WEG, You keep your watermelon in a bag? WTF? Thorack __________________ 1. Whenever you are talking to a woman realize this person was born insane and you will never be surprised. 2. Never let Doctors cut on you unless its life or death and ALWAYS get a second opinion.

April 22, 2011, 15:33	#2
Dopavash Registered FALaholic #: 44433 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: North Central Texas Posts: 956	Never had any trouble in my Glock with Silver Bear, Brown bear, Wolf, Monarch, etc.

April 22, 2011, 17:51	#7
gobbler Curio & Relic Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 44154 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 2,766	I shoot it in my Uzi & you can hear it hit the target at 50yds......IMHO your problem is it is weak & not enough recoil to eject, especially with a HP spring. gobbler

April 23, 2011, 15:54	#9
XMAN AZEX's and Mojo's Personal BANNED Troll Contributor FALaholic #: 5539 Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: FRONT ROOM KILLING DEMONIC CLOWNS Posts: 248	The problem is , he is not useing a Glock. __________________ Can't sleep, clowns will eat me. Can't sleep, clowns will eat me. Can't sleep, clowns will eat me.

April 23, 2011, 20:46	#10
RG Coburn Registered FALaholic #: 27406 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 11,016	You feed McDonalds to an athelete... What do want to happen?

April 28, 2011, 21:47	#11
tuck0411 Curio & Relic Bronze Contributor Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 29165 Join Date: May 2007 Location: WA Posts: 2,003	I've shot quite a bit of Brown Bear out of my Glock 26 without any problems. Have not tried Silver Bear. __________________ "Posterity! You will never know, how much it cost the present Generation, to preserve your Freedom! I hope you will make a good Use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven, that I ever took half the Pains to preserve it." -- John Adams "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined." - Patrick Henry "It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds." -- Samuel Adams "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences." -- C.S. Lewis

May 03, 2011, 00:04	#12
thebufenator Registered FALaholic #: 29115 Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 104	Haven't had an issue shooting Silver Bear in my wife's Glock 17 or my Beretta 92

May 06, 2011, 08:23	#13
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