'Don't Lie To The People'

**2barearms** · February 09, 2011, 05:40

The Government in it's quest to justify their Siege has planted media stories
that are so bizarro as to defy explanation.

Here we have a 'machine gun' in a 'gun case' it's a 30 caliber Browning?
Huh? WTF? It's on the back seat of a Hummer in plain sight? WTF, over.
Makes no attempt to hide it? I'm sorry this story is cover for something.
Total crock full. By the way they never say what sort of "Browning" it is.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/7418875.html

DABTL · February 09, 2011, 06:45

Well, it does say 'machine gun' in the headline, so I am assuming it was a Browning Machine Gun. But, it does not indicate if it was the M1994, M1917, M1918, BAR or some other version.

But, the importance of the story as conspiracy? You need some serious mental work done.

**308bolt** · February 09, 2011, 07:08

At least it wasn't an assault Rifle.
I think those are even scarier than machine guns.

101ABN327 · February 09, 2011, 07:09

Quote:

Originally posted by DABTL
Well, it does say 'machine gun' in the headline, so I am assuming it was a Browning Machine Gun. But, it does not indicate if it was the M1994, M1917, M1918, BAR or some other version.

But, the importance of the story as conspiracy? You need some serious mental work done.

M1994??? You must write the news for Code Pink!

M1917: Watercooled. Probably not. Mexicans couldn't figure the system out, or keep up with all the components.

M1919A4: Maybe. But rather antiquated. Ammo availability issue.

M1919A6: Maybe. Still antiquated. Ammo availability issue.

M1918: An Automatic Rifle. Not a machine gun.

BAR: (see 1918)

For someone who claims to have all these guns, you sure don't know much about them...

RG Coburn · February 09, 2011, 13:26

"Ramirez stated he was told to pick up a black case at a convenience store in McAllen and take it to Pharr, where he was to leave it halfway across the international bridge, according to the affidavit."

Oh,this really makes sense....

**alant** · February 09, 2011, 13:44

"While in custody, Ramirez admitted that he had recently purchased a firearm, but could not recall the type of gun or where he put the weapon, according to Gonzalez."

Um, yeah, the "I don't fully recall" answer.

That's one heck of a "convenience" store.

DABTL · February 09, 2011, 14:17

Quote:

Originally posted by 101ABN327

M1994??? You must write the news for Code Pink!

M1917: Watercooled. Probably not. Mexicans couldn't figure the system out, or keep up with all the components.

M1919A4: Maybe. But rather antiquated. Ammo availability issue.

M1919A6: Maybe. Still antiquated. Ammo availability issue.

M1918: An Automatic Rifle. Not a machine gun.

BAR: (see 1918)

For someone who claims to have all these guns, you sure don't know much about them...

Meant M1894, the potato digger goofball.

**alant** · February 09, 2011, 14:29

Quote:

Originally posted by 2barearms
The Government in it's quest to justify their Siege has planted media stories
that are so bizarro as to defy explanation.

What "siege" are you talking about?

**2barearms** · February 09, 2011, 19:35

Quote:

Originally posted by alant
What "siege" are you talking about?

It's obvious you're not from Texas, New Mexico, Arizona or California.
Go educate yourself before making embarrassing remarks.

FAL freek · February 09, 2011, 20:07

This story smacks of BS to me.

Quote:

Originally posted by alant
"While in custody, Ramirez admitted that he had recently purchased a firearm, but could not recall the type of gun or where he put the weapon, according to Gonzalez."

Um, yeah, the "I don't fully recall" answer.

That's one heck of a "convenience" store.

Well if he DID in fact buy the 1919a4 he'd definately remember it. Thing's a PITA just to move around the gun range. carting it in and out of a vehice and all over Gods green earth will definately make sure you never forget it.

**alant** · February 10, 2011, 08:30

Quote:

Originally posted by 2barearms
It's obvious you're not from Texas, New Mexico, Arizona or California.
Go educate yourself before making embarrassing remarks.

Your right I'm not from any of those 4 states. I find nothing embarrassing about not knowing what siege you are talking about, so I say again WHAT SIEGE?

A siege is a blockade of a city or fortress with the intent of conquering by attrition or assault.

Who or what is the subject of a "blockade"? If you are refering to illegals crossing the southern border that might be properly defined as a non-military "invasion" but it's not a "seige". Illegals have not surrounding Houston TX or the entire state of AZ, letting nothing in or out. They aren't catapulting disease ridden corpses over the city walls of San Diego. They are invading this area with the intent of establishing control (some might say liberate, others conquer).

An invasion is an offensive consisting of all, or large parts of the armed forces of one geopolitical entity aggressively entering territory controlled by another such entity, generally with the objective of either conquering, liberating or re-establishing control or authority over a territory, forcing the partition of a country, altering the established government or gaining concessions from said government, or a combination thereof.

**2barearms** · February 10, 2011, 09:34

Quote:

Originally posted by alant
Your right I'm not from any of those 4 states. I find nothing embarrassing about not knowing what siege you are talking about, so I say again WHAT SIEGE?

A siege is a blockade of a city or fortress with the intent of conquering by attrition or assault.

Who or what is the subject of a "blockade"? If you are refering to illegals crossing the southern border that might be properly defined as a non-military "invasion" but it's not a "seige". Illegals have not surrounding Houston TX or the entire state of AZ, letting nothing in or out. They aren't catapulting disease ridden corpses over the city walls of San Diego. They are invading this area with the intent of establishing control (some might say liberate, others conquer).

An invasion is an offensive consisting of all, or large parts of the armed forces of one geopolitical entity aggressively entering territory controlled by another such entity, generally with the objective of either conquering, liberating or re-establishing control or authority over a territory, forcing the partition of a country, altering the established government or gaining concessions from said government, or a combination thereof.

You appear to be very anal, let it go, it's a figure of speech and this is the innernet.
You guys on the left contantly use hyperbole to enhance your headlines.

FAL freek · February 10, 2011, 23:30

Quote:

Originally posted by alant
Your right I'm not from any of those 4 states. I find nothing embarrassing about not knowing what siege you are talking about, so I say again WHAT SIEGE?

A siege is a blockade of a city or fortress with the intent of conquering by attrition or assault.

Who or what is the subject of a "blockade"? If you are refering to illegals crossing the southern border that might be properly defined as a non-military "invasion" but it's not a "seige". Illegals have not surrounding Houston TX or the entire state of AZ, letting nothing in or out. They aren't catapulting disease ridden corpses over the city walls of San Diego. They are invading this area with the intent of establishing control (some might say liberate, others conquer).

An invasion is an offensive consisting of all, or large parts of the armed forces of one geopolitical entity aggressively entering territory controlled by another such entity, generally with the objective of either conquering, liberating or re-establishing control or authority over a territory, forcing the partition of a country, altering the established government or gaining concessions from said government, or a combination thereof.

I'm not from any of those 4 states either but by that statement have more than shown that you are indeed a twit.

**alant** · February 11, 2011, 04:34

Quote:

Originally posted by FAL freek
I'm not from any of those 4 states either but by that statement have more than shown that you are indeed a twit.

Excuse me for knowing the difference between a siege and an invasion.

DABTL · February 11, 2011, 06:06

Hmmmmm, the siege is a secret siege?

Me thinks he does not like enchiladas much.

**308bolt** · February 11, 2011, 06:58

Quote:

Originally posted by alant
Excuse me for knowing the difference between a siege and an invasion.

Apparently you don't.

There is more than one way the word is used.

siege
noun \ˈsēj also ˈsēzh\
Definition of SIEGE
1
obsolete : a seat of distinction : throne
2
a : a military blockade of a city or fortified place to compel it to surrender

b : a persistent or serious attack

— siege transitive verb
— lay siege to
1
: to besiege militarily
2
: to pursue diligently or persistently

**308bolt** · February 11, 2011, 07:00

Quote:

Originally posted by DABTL

Me thinks

No, you don't.

V guy · February 11, 2011, 09:26

It was a Garand.
Patton WAS right about that evil gun.

101ABN327 · February 11, 2011, 21:00

Quote:

Originally posted by alant
Excuse me for knowing the difference between a siege and an invasion.

Or anything about being a soldier... Still sniveling behind a desk and sending kids off to do your fighting.

**Cava3r4** · February 15, 2011, 14:38

good thing it wasn't a "saturday night special"

Bob

**martin35** · February 15, 2011, 15:35

The most popular auto loading hunting rifle is the BAR

**martin35** · February 15, 2011, 18:12

A tricked out Civilian Safari BAR with a altered mag well and bi-pod would make most journalists wee wee.
Carrying a single round of ammunition across the Mexican border is a crime and needs some degree of intelligence to accomplish.

**Sampson1986** · February 15, 2011, 20:28

Welcome back, Martin.

**martin35** · February 16, 2011, 10:53

Welcome back, Martin.
Thanks mate,,, yall make me feel so silly.(likely I am)

February 09, 2011, 05:40	#1
2barearms 3 Percent Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 13866 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Houston,Texas Posts: 8,659	'Don't Lie To The People' The Government in it's quest to justify their Siege has planted media stories that are so bizarro as to defy explanation. Here we have a 'machine gun' in a 'gun case' it's a 30 caliber Browning? Huh? WTF? It's on the back seat of a Hummer in plain sight? WTF, over. Makes no attempt to hide it? I'm sorry this story is cover for something. Total crock full. By the way they never say what sort of "Browning" it is. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...n/7418875.html __________________ "Owning a Firearm doesn't make you Armed any more than owning a Guitar makes you a Musician" Was mich nicht umbringt macht mich stärker Last edited by 2barearms; February 09, 2011 at 05:52.

February 09, 2011, 06:45	#2
DABTL Registered FALaholic #: 138 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Texas Posts: 31,491	Re: 'Don't Lie To The People' Well, it does say 'machine gun' in the headline, so I am assuming it was a Browning Machine Gun. But, it does not indicate if it was the M1994, M1917, M1918, BAR or some other version. But, the importance of the story as conspiracy? You need some serious mental work done. __________________ "The work begins anew, the hope rises again, and the dream lives on." Ted Kennedy 2008

February 09, 2011, 07:08	#3
308bolt Heathen Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 19255 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 20,030	At least it wasn't an assault Rifle. I think those are even scarier than machine guns. __________________ "The bandwagons rumble past. I sit here on the curb," ~ John Hartford ~ "Nil desperandum, -- Never Despair. That is a motto for you and me. All are not dead; and where there is a spark of patriotic fire, we will rekindle it." ~ Samuel Adams ~

February 09, 2011, 13:44	#6
alant Curio & Relic Contributor FALaholic #: 46689 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Maine Posts: 4,133	"While in custody, Ramirez admitted that he had recently purchased a firearm, but could not recall the type of gun or where he put the weapon, according to Gonzalez." Um, yeah, the "I don't fully recall" answer. That's one heck of a "convenience" store. __________________ May those that love us, love us. And those that don't love us, May God turn their hearts. And if He can't turn their hearts May He turn their ankles, so we'll know them by their limp. - Old Gaelic Blessing

February 11, 2011, 06:06	#15
DABTL Registered FALaholic #: 138 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Texas Posts: 31,491	Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 'Don't Lie To The People' Hmmmmm, the siege is a secret siege? Me thinks he does not like enchiladas much. __________________ "The work begins anew, the hope rises again, and the dream lives on." Ted Kennedy 2008

February 09, 2011, 13:26	#5
RG Coburn Registered FALaholic #: 27406 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10,908	"Ramirez stated he was told to pick up a black case at a convenience store in McAllen and take it to Pharr, where he was to leave it halfway across the international bridge, according to the affidavit." Oh,this really makes sense....

February 11, 2011, 09:26	#18
V guy Registered FALaholic #: 10282 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: miami Posts: 8,230	It was a Garand. Patton WAS right about that evil gun.

February 15, 2011, 14:38	#20
Cava3r4 Curio & Relic Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 6560 Join Date: May 2002 Location: AZ...originally from St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,299	good thing it wasn't a "saturday night special" Bob

February 15, 2011, 15:35	#21
martin35 when legend becomes fact Contributor Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 2939 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 16,896	The most popular auto loading hunting rifle is the BAR Last edited by martin35; April 16, 2013 at 18:00.

February 15, 2011, 18:12	#22
martin35 when legend becomes fact Contributor Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 2939 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 16,896	A tricked out Civilian Safari BAR with a altered mag well and bi-pod would make most journalists wee wee. Carrying a single round of ammunition across the Mexican border is a crime and needs some degree of intelligence to accomplish. Last edited by martin35; April 16, 2013 at 18:00.

February 15, 2011, 20:28	#23
Sampson1986 Renegade Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 43374 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Montana, USA Posts: 569	Welcome back, Martin. __________________ "Throughout the centuries there were men who took first steps down new roads armed with nothing but their own vision. Their goals differed, but they all had this in common: that the step was first, the road new, the vision unborrowed, and the response they received--hatred. The great creators--the thinkers, the artists, the scientists, the inventors--stood alone against the men of their time. Every great new thought was opposed. Every great new invention was denounced. The first motor was considered foolish. The first airplane was considered impossible. The power loom was considered vicious. Anesthesia was considered sinful. But the men of unborrowed vision went ahead. They fought, they suffered and they paid. But they won." - Ayn Rand

February 16, 2011, 10:53	#24
martin35 when legend becomes fact Contributor Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 2939 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Texas Posts: 16,896	Welcome back, Martin. Thanks mate,,, yall make me feel so silly.(likely I am)

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