Missile Launch off LA Coast

[cpd109]

Last night about 5PM local time. US Navy denies it's their's. Video is in link.

http://ktar.com/category/local-news-...st-is-mystery/


Lots of info on it now. But nothing stating what it was and whose it was. It wasn't a cruise missle, looked more like an ICBM.

[alant]

If a news chopper got those pics there must've been someone, maybe several, in a boat quick enough to do the same. That should be available in a day or so.

Hopefully it was our navy, not someone else's.

[gates]

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=171727

[olgier]

That's not a missle. That's a water funnel.... yeah that's it. A water funnel.

[cpd109]

Originally posted by olgier
That's not a missle. That's a water funnel.... yeah that's it. A water funnel.

I think water funnel (clouds) come from above. This was going up. Haf to call you "Wrong Way" now. (Beats being called taip pipe though.....) And your foil hat is slipping off you head a little.....

It is very concerning if this was subsurface launch and I suspect it might very well have been since it would be at least a special purpose boat large enough not to sink when it launched. And no NOTAMs? And where did it impact?

[Gary Harwell]

Lot's of good comments on the story. Just how do we know it was ours?Can't discount it if the pentagram is clueless. Homeland security weighng in? ...Too busy groping women and children. They don't call her DIC for nothing.

[olgier]

Originally posted by cpd109


I think water funnel (clouds) come from above. This was going up. Haf to call you "Wrong Way" now. (Beats being called taip pipe though.....) And your foil hat is slipping off you head a little.....

It is very concerning if this was subsurface launch and I suspect it might very well have been since it would be at least a special purpose boat large enough not to sink when it launched. And no NOTAMs? And where did it impact?

I forgot the sarcasm smiley.

[cpd109]

Originally posted by olgier


I forgot the sarcasm smiley.

Me too. But then, I am a PC goof and would probably blow up the internet trying to put it on.

Here is an update. The guy suggests three scenarios for the launch.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/20...e-Backgrounder

He suggests it is either a Trident accident(al launch- very unlikely I think), sabre rattling "aimed" towards Asia or an enemy boat that snuck up on us (not very many countires have these).

My personal thought is that with the Chinese/US monetary war breaking out as Hates has pointed out (I think), I think Barry is telling them to keep buying our bonds. This thought is subject to change when I get out of this light weight aluminum hat into my battle ready tin foil one. (Sarcasm smiley goes here *.)

[cpd109]

Never mind. MSN has an astrophysist saying it just an odd aircraft contrail. We are saved!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40087187...ity/?GT1=43001

(I wonder where the astrophysist got his degree? Or did he just print it up himself?)

[motosapien]

Military officials "can't confirm there was a launch". That tells me it was ours but they do not wish to discuss it.

[Gary Harwell]

This scenario was unfolded in " One Second After"... maybe a test run or one that that didn't work out.... EMP would take out the Pacific and coast.
But ,tin foil hat stuff, it can be explained by astrophysicists.

[richardrose67]

I have too wonder how many of the ships Obuma took with him should have been patrolling off the California coast? Any Navy ship in the area should have detected a launch in its defensive zone and I.D. , Friend or Foe. They know who but they don't want to tell.

[gates]

Yes they most certainly know - I think either we fuked up and launched in error - highly unlikely considering the steps you have to go through to actually launch one of these things - OR - SOMEONE was sending us a message...

[Texas Jaguar]

My money is on a Chinese Sub launched ICBM. This is just the kind of stunt the Chinese would pull. Similar to having one of their diesels subs pop to the surface in the middle of pacific fleet training excersises a couple of years ago. The sub was purposly within view of a Nimitz class carrier and well within the antisub radius that was supposed to be present at the time.

They have told the Obama crowd not to "disrespect" their investments in America by inflating the currency. I'm sure they want to prove positive that they mean business.

[J308]

Originally posted by motosapien
Military officials "can't confirm there was a launch". That tells me it was ours but they do not wish to discuss it.

Man oh man without any NOTAM's being filed? I don't think so.
Whatever the case, this is some pretty serious rabbithole fodder.

[motosapien]

Originally posted by Texas Jaguar
My money is on a Chinese Sub launched ICBM. This is just the kind of stunt the Chinese would pull. Similar to having one of their diesels subs pop to the surface in the middle of pacific fleet training excersises a couple of years ago. The sub was purposly within view of a Nimitz class carrier and well within the antisub radius that was supposed to be present at the time.

They have told the Obama crowd not to "disrespect" their investments in America by inflating the currency. I'm sure they want to prove positive that they mean business.

If not a screw up this is the most likely scenario I'm afraid. Obysmal should not have bowed to these people.........

[Brett]

I bet it was a new high speed weather balloon.

[motosapien]

Or maybe just a graphic representation of commodity prices rising......

[Skilter]

AHHH... I see your Schwartz is as big as mine!

[offshore44]

Originally posted by motosapien
Or maybe just a graphic representation of commodity prices rising......

Now, that right there is funny, in a twisted sort of way...

I very seriously doubt that it was an unintentional missile launch from one of ours. You could get one to blow up sooner than have an accidental launch. You can't even purposely launch one without a whole bunch of people involved. ...and not 35 miles off of the California coast.

It would be very interesting to know what happened on the other end of the flight path / trajectory.

"I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of any such group or operation. If I had knowledge of any such group or operation I would not be at liberty to speak about such group or operation. Why do you want to know?!"

We will probably never get a straight answer about this incident from anyone...just a lot of speculation and rumors on the internet.

[Story]

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/11...st-viewed-24h5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiWQZhUmmRw

[Gary Harwell]

Plagarized from elsewhere:

"Obama is demanding to know who's responsible.

He wants to apologize for being so close to their missile.

There's already a white flag over the Capitol."

Almost 24 hours later and no one has a clue. Totally expected.

[motosapien]

Hard to see what the Chinese could hope to get out of it. Do they think that we think that they are crazy enough to start an atom splitting party? Of course they did squish a number of their own with tanks a while back....

On the other hand, Obama being such a mealy mouthed America hating commie phock would most likely not respond to one or two vaporized cities. Hell, they would be doing the feds a favor by reducing the population of California by 20 or 30 million since the tax takers out there so far out number the tax makers. The whole state is stoned for crying out loud.

Maybe there is a plan here?

[motosapien]

Seriously though, if this was not ours then the Navy must be pretty damn busy out there now. Sonar buoys dropping out of the sky and subs at full throttle getting on the search. If this was the Chinese, it was a belligerent enough act to warrant the destruction of the offending submarine.

Unless of course there is a plan......

[cpd109]

Originally posted by gates
Yes they most certainly know - I think either we fuked up and launched in error - highly unlikely considering the steps you have to go through to actually launch one of these things - OR - SOMEONE was sending us a message...

Thanks for popping up Gates. I have a theory about this.

One of my posts had three (reasonable) possibilities for why this happened.
1. Foreign sub launch. (Not likley. ANd if they went to the trouble to get to LA, why shoot a missle the other way?) Makes no particular sense unless the brass is placing bets on what their subs can do.

2. Accidental launch. Not likely at all. Sub has to be at the right depth, two man control (Capt and XO or Missile Officer). Can't be accidential, so that leaves ...

3. Purposeful launch. A sabre rattling event.
Good location for something that usually takes place way at sea- in sight of one of our largest cities is a front row seat. Fed onto the internet? That works. No further advertising is needed for the event.

Why do it? Rattle the Chinese. Why them? They hold so much of our debt that if they start screwing around with it, we could be sunk (no pun intended.) Also, we don't know what kind of arm twisting has been done to keep them from doing something (not in our interest) with the debt. So we give them a sign that we are serous about them not screwing with the debt. Thus, we have a missile in flight for all to see. The gubmint knows about it, and now the Chinese do too. But we are still in the dark. This is where you come in Gates- does this sceario fit with anything you can think of?

The missile didn't have a nuke payload or we'd have heard about that by now, regardless of where the explosion occurred. Or at least if it had one, it didn't go off. (Remember some years ago, a nuke went off in the south Indian Ocean (I think). Satillite picked that up, as they would have something this close to CONUS.

Good time to do this with Barry out of the country. And 34 warships out of area, including a carrier.

Ok, filers, there's the theory. Poke (meaningful) holes in it. Just saying I'm full of poo isn't enough. Come up with your own thoughts.

[molotov]

A bunch of crap, that's what it is.

A friggin missile gets launched and it takes this long for those idiots on the inside to figure out who did what? Are you kidding me? What if we had been hit with an ICBM? How long would it take them to figure that out? Doesn't exactly make me confident in the whole mutually assured destruction bit.

All the UFO sightings over huge cities seen by thousands lately, Obama awol in dot head land, the Fed pissing off the world with the dollar manipulation and an unknown missile being launched off our coasts.

We are headed for WWIII with reckless abandon. G-d help us.

[motosapien]

Yeah, you kind of wonder why TAO took so many people with him over to India? It is creepy. He does hate America, that is known by his past associations.

And there is this jewel from the military:

Pentagon spokesman Col. Dave Lapan said Tuesday that officials can't confirm that there was a launch and if there was, by whom. He says officials are talking to the Air Force, Navy and NORAD as well as civil authorities who control and monitor air space.

If there is a better reason to slash military spending, I can not think of it.

[cpd109]

Originally posted by motosapien
Yeah, you kind of wonder why TAO took so many people with him over to India? It is creepy. He does hate America, that is known by his past associations.

Because he knew what was going to happen. If it was the Chinese (and I don't think it was), why would they have fired the missile the wrong way?

I think regardless of who did it, it was history making.

[tuck0411]

Originally posted by molotov

All the UFO sightings over huge cities seen by thousands lately,

Really? I haven't been one of those "thousands", nor have I heard about this, so got a link or something to back that up?

I'm also curious how UFO sightings, real or not, might contribute to WWIII.

[FAL freek]

And the Japs used 4 engine bombers during Pearl Harbor.

Seems odd that no one has laid claim to this stunt if it was intentional. As already pointed out the Chinese surfaced a sub right in the middle of a carrier battle group. And then proceeded to brag about doing so. They also forced an intelligence gathering plane flying in international air space down and openly acknowledged doing so. Moronic terrorists love taking the credit for every discomfort that befalls a Wester country and remain silent on this incident.

Guess imagination fills in the gaps.

[xtremerange]

I can't see a reason for US purposeful launch.

US demonstration? Everyone including my 7 year old knows the US can launch missiles from subs.

Saber rattling? It was launched next to the second largest metro area in CONUS. Kind of like pointing a gun at yourself and threatening to shoot. If it were intended to threaten someone (other than Hollywood), you would have fired it closer to the person you are threatening. Otherwise, how would the other party know it was intended for them?

[Story]

The various arms of the U.S. military scrambled this morning to explain the creepy footage, snapped by a CBS news helicopter, of what appeared to be a missile flying into the air, not far from Los Angeles. U.S. Strategic Command, Northern Command, Air Force Space Command, Air Force Global Strike Command, the Navy and the Missile Defense Agency were all left struggling to give an answer for what appeared to be a rogue ICBM. But to GlobalSecurity.org director John Pike, there’s an easy explanation: “It is obviously an airplane.”

“The aircraft is flying towards the observer; the air over the Pacific is clear, so the contrail is visible all the way to the horizon. This creates the optical illusion of a rocket flying up, rather than the actual situation of an airplane flying horizontally,” Pike tells Danger Room. “The object generating the contrail is moving too slowly to be a rocket; the contrail is not expanding as the ‘rocket’ gains ‘altitude’ — which would be the case as the exhaust plume expanding into less dense high altitude air.”

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010...robably-a-jet/

[Scott V2]

Someone needs to tell the operator that CA was the other direction.

[tuck0411]

After reading the various forum threads on this that have been posted today, both here and elsewhere, and now reviewing the video again in light of the contrail theory, I have to say that I think that's probably what it is. Occam's Razor...

Unless someone comes up with irrefutable proof this was a missile launch, I'm going to be sleeping pretty comfortably tonight.

[Story]

Originally posted by tuck0411
After reading the various forum threads on this that have been posted today, both here and elsewhere, and now reviewing the video again in light of the contrail theory, I have to say that I think that's probably what it is. Occam's Razor...

Unless someone comes up with irrefutable proof this was a missile launch, I'm going to be sleeping pretty comfortably tonight.

Dr. Banzai and the Hong Kong Cavaliers have not responded to our reporters' calls as of press time. A prepared statement made cryptic reference to a further ninth dimension and we will print clarifications as we are able.



http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/#more-440

[Eric Bryant]

Originally posted by cpd109
3. Purposeful launch. A sabre rattling event.
Good location for something that usually takes place way at sea- in sight of one of our largest cities is a front row seat. Fed onto the internet? That works. No further advertising is needed for the event.

Why do it? Rattle the Chinese. Why them? They hold so much of our debt that if they start screwing around with it, we could be sunk (no pun intended.)

Doesn't this sort of "sabre rattling" normally take place by sending half the Navy to Taiwan in the name of "naval exercises"? I don't think that lighting a bottle rocket off our own coast proves much of anything, especially when the rest of the world has been aware of this capability for the better part of a half-century.

All that being said, I don't have any alternative hypotheses.

[Brian in MN]

Be a Hell of a thing if it turns out the be the Iranians.

[Story]

Originally posted by Brian in MN
Be a Hell of a thing if it turns out the be the Iranians.

Or freelancers with a surplus SCUD in a container launcher, fired from the deck of a rusty freighter.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...cks-a-reality/

[tuck0411]

Or a jet contrail:
http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/

[Story]

Originally posted by tuck0411
Or a jet contrail:
http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/

Beat ya to that URL
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...21#post3005021

[tuck0411]

Originally posted by Story


Beat ya to that URL
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...21#post3005021

Yes, you did. I got focused on the picture and forgot to follow your URL, then a friend sent me the same URL.

[motosapien]

Yeah, a jet contrail coming up from below the news helicopter. And there looks to be a large aircraft flying closer to the missile as well. I'm sure the people on the helicopter would have something to say about that theory.

The scud launch theory is interesting and far more credible. If that is what it was the ship that launched it is either at the bottom or docked in San Diego at a the naval base.

[Ricketts]

Either way--it will be Bush's fault.

[Dolvio]

China just reinforced their "no" to Ben Bernanke and the fed.

[molotov]

Really? I haven't been one of those "thousands", nor have I heard about this, so got a link or something to back that up?

I'm also curious how UFO sightings, real or not, might contribute to WWIII.

Dude, you have a computer, so you don't really have an excuse for the ignorance. Mass sightings in DC, El Paso, Moscow (IIRC), and a couple other spots all in the past couple weeks. Not fringe reports. Drudge, Fox, etc etc. Look it up for yourself.

As for how they might contribute to WWIII you lack imagination. Any craft you know about now was operational at least a decade before it was revealed to the general public. Rumors of the TR3B flying triangle are all over the internet. I have seen such craft myself and many others in my area as well a couple years back. A rash of sightings. Makes you wonder why these far fetched tin foil rumors start. I mean, there are only a couple major AFB in the vicinity.

Secret aircraft will play a big role. The stealth fighter and bomber are just the tip of the iceberg and ancient technology in comparison to what is obviously being hidden.

[deerollman]

Originally posted by cpd109
Never mind. MSN has an astrophysist saying it just an odd aircraft contrail. We are saved!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40087187...ity/?GT1=43001

(I wonder where the astrophysist got his degree? Or did he just print it up himself?)

Just FYI, but I've done a lot of reading on the "paranormal", and it is remarkable how easily our minds and eyes are fooled. We are equipped to accurately observe 99.9% of what we see, probably more, but the occasional oddity can throw our brains for a loop. Not that this rules out saber-rattling, but the "astrophysist" is not to be discounted.

[cpd109]

Originally posted by Eric Bryant


Doesn't this sort of "sabre rattling" normally take place by sending half the Navy to Taiwan in the name of "naval exercises"? I don't think that lighting a bottle rocket off our own coast proves much of anything, especially when the rest of the world has been aware of this capability for the better part of a half-century.

All that being said, I don't have any alternative hypotheses.

Repeat after me "Community Organizer School". I thought the majority of us on the files agreed Barry hasn't got a clue as to what he is, or is suppose, to do.

[cpd109]

Originally posted by xtremerange
I can't see a reason for US purposeful launch.

US demonstration? Everyone including my 7 year old knows the US can launch missiles from subs.

Saber rattling? It was launched next to the second largest metro area in CONUS. Kind of like pointing a gun at yourself and threatening to shoot. If it were intended to threaten someone (other than Hollywood), you would have fired it closer to the person you are threatening. Otherwise, how would the other party know it was intended for them?

Do you have a reason for ANY launch? I did the best I could. I think the reason they staged it there was so there would be an audiance.

[cpd109]

Originally posted by tuck0411
After reading the various forum threads on this that have been posted today, both here and elsewhere, and now reviewing the video again in light of the contrail theory, I have to say that I think that's probably what it is. Occam's Razor...

Unless someone comes up with irrefutable proof this was a missile launch, I'm going to be sleeping pretty comfortably tonight.

No way it's a contrail. If you look at the smoke trail at about 30-35 seconds into the first clip, you see the smoke as far down as the camera pans down, almost to sea level. Also, later on you see another helicopter flying around. Where's it's contrail?
Contrails are formed by the heated exhaust of a jet hitting very cold air and the moisture in it forms the trail. It doesn't follow the flying object from near the sea in the area of LA- way too warm. It also does not disperse, although the clip isn't really long enough to wait for that.
Finally, if it were a jet at altitude and at some distance, it would appear to be going down, not up as this item is clearly going.
Occam's razor is dull tonight.

[cpd109]

Originally posted by Story


Dr. Banzai and the Hong Kong Cavaliers have not responded to our reporters' calls as of press time. A prepared statement made cryptic reference to a further ninth dimension and we will print clarifications as we are able.



http://uncinus.wordpress.com/2010/11/09/4/#more-440

The photos in your link don't really show where the trail is coming from. The one on the TV helo is fairly close to the camera, and you can see it moving so it's pretty close. If it were 20 miles away, it wouldn't appear to be moving due to the distance and speed involved.