Book burning anyone?

[martin35]

Book burning as proposed by Pastor Terry Jones of the 50-member Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Fla. is self abuse on the church steps as far as I can see, any gratification will be to the self abuser in my opinion.
This act must in today's climate have consequences, the insurers of DWO church property must be re-accessing that policy.
What might the second dovish act of defiance to Islam be?

[Sampson1986]

Who cares?

[ggiilliiee]

the man is an idiot and a traitor ,and should be treated as such ...any of our troops get hurt over this flatlander moron ..he should be held responsible ..

if it ws such a great idea ,why arent the troops burnin them in the streets in iraq and afganny..??

i hope he drops ....got ten bucks says if ya smell his mustache ...it smells like TIMMY ....

[JM]

Burning the foul ,cult book called the koran should be as American as apple pie. Islam is Americas greatest enemy. The idiots and traitors are those that won't let our soldiers kick the livin sht out of the jihadis so they can come home.

[martin35]

the man is an idiot and a traitor ,and should be treated as such ...any of our troops get hurt over this flatlander moron ..he should be held responsible ...
Thats a good point. I have not seen a comprhensive explanation for this type 9=11 celebration.
As for putting the troops in more danger that was not a consideration for the last 10 years, How does one increase the rage of someone who is already enraged to the max. Maybe by setting fire to their books and then pee'n on them as a conciliatory gesture?

[molotov]

I think he is within his rights but it is inherently a bad idea and not a very christian one at that.

[martin35]

I think he is within his rights but it is inherently a bad idea and not a very christian one at that.
Really bad jugement is not yet illegal. Not enough available jail space.

[ggiilliiee]

yer bible is 70% Koran ...man ...
and kickin ass hasnt worked too dam well has it ...now they only blow ya up 3 times a day instead of 5 ...burn the books and it will be 20 .

.just say to yourself ...hell there not my kids ...who cares ...and burn baby burn ....

[Deltaten]

No ggiillee.. burn the book and draw all the rag-head radicals out into the light...makes for target rich environment ! Your "leave me alone" tactics won;t hold for long. Some day..probably too damm'd late, you'll wake the fugg up to the reality of Sharia Law and Dhimmihood

Back-up yer 1st amendment rights with yer 2nd am rights. It is about time *someone* has the bad taste to bedevil them in return. What...like burning a book is gonna piss 'em off more? What a hoot!! Yeah.. we burn a book for each head they cut off, each airliner they fly into an occupied building, every woman they stone for being raped !!! The moose limbs are looking for the slightest excuse. Give it to them!

Mebbe it'll make 'em soooo mad they'll do sumpin' really stoopid?? I think I'll go down to the town center and burn one (or more) off on Saturday.... justa see what happens.

Now; if he had decided to advertise for participants in burning down the local moose limb cultural center; I could see the uproar. !!

Lefties and their ilk can burn our flag, burn draft cards, put crucifixs in urine and Madonna in feces for art... no worries... freedom of speech. BUT.. let one incensed preacher put up a sign and the whole world goes ballistic.
WTF??

We simply can't agree on exactly where in the sand the line is drawn. This [misguided?] preacher is sounding a clarion call. Some will hear and become aware.... most will not. WHat's that qoute about.."first , they came for the Jews... then they came for the Catholics..." (sic) ??

You'd shoot an armed and violent intruder?? You'd dispatch a vicious dog? You'd fight like hell once they got to YOUR doorstep.... At what temperature *does* yer blood boil?

A stitch in time ............

They won;t stop til someone fugks them up worse than they screw with us. The sooner the better!

[Sampson1986]

Originally posted by ggiilliiee
the man is an idiot and a traitor ,and should be treated as such ...any of our troops get hurt over this flatlander moron ..he should be held responsible ..

Were you dropped on your head as a child?

Terrorist bastards are going to try and hurt our brave soldiers regardless of if this clown burns the Koran or not. They hate us and no amount of ass kissing or diplomacy is going to change that. These assholes are like rabid dogs - you don't negotiate with a rabid dog, you put a .223 between its eyes and be done with it.

[Beckman]

It's funny how all of those Lib-Dems who support the "free expression" of Muslims to build the Ground Zero Mosque -- or burn a US flag, for that matter -- are silent about free expression when it comes to burning a Koran.

How could an Afghani or a Muslim in another country know about what happens in a Fla. church, anyway? Are those Muslims psychic? No, they will know because the mass media will tell them if a Koran gets burned. Remember the fake Newsweek article about flushing a Koran down a Gitmo toilet? So, maybe the MSM should forgoe THEIR freedom of expression, and not report the Koran burning. Yes, the MSM should forgoe their freedom, instead of telling others to do so.

After all, the MSM has allot of experience censoring the news: They worked very had to censor negative stories about Obama.

Hey, here's a an even better idea: maybe the "religion of peace" should act peacefully and respect other people's rights. Why blame the Koran-burner for the violence of a bunch of intollerant, violent Muslims? The Muslims are the ones who are holding the world hostage. They are the ones responsible for the violence that they commit.

Is the Koran-burner responsible for any violent backlash, or is it the fault of the Muslims who actually engage in the violence? Is the Koran-burner undermining our war effort, or does the issue merely highlight how questionable it is to ally ourselves with Muslims who hate us and will stab us in the back at the smallest slight by any person in the US? Should we have those types of allies?

Why should any American be asked to forgoe a basic right in order to appease our enemies, or humor a fickle foreign ally? Make no mistake, this IS terrorism. The Muslims are clearly using the threat of violence, the same violence that they uleashed over the Danish cartoons and against the Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh. This threat of violence has a clear political puprose: to terrorize a church in Florida from exercising its right to free expression.

[martin35]

yer bible is 70% Koran
Close,, in as much as the Bible predates the Koran by several centuries, some books by millenniums,,, Mohamed studied Jesus and thought to his own self "I can do that".

[edporch]

If somebody wants to buy a koran and do whatever with it, it's their right because it's theirs.

That said, it's not good judgement to have a public burning event, and I would agree that it's not very Christian.
(Christianity being a religion that believes in presenting the Christian truth to anybody receptive to it, but will not forcefully convert anyone)

I'll add that some years ago when "The Satanic Verses" came out, there were muslims at local bookstores trying to intimidate and threaten people not to buy it.
When I kept seeing this reported, it pissed me off that these POS think they have the right to tell me what book I can't buy.
I went to my local bookstore where it had been reported that people like this were hanging around and bought a copy of it.

I've never even read it, but it was a matter of principle.

[martin35]

As far as I know Salman Rushdi is still in hiding for using his religious views to make a payday.

[Retired Bum]

So how many of the MSM types will be there with camera crews to record the event? If the media just ignored that idiot and his crew there wouldn't be much of a problem as I see it. But what do I know, I'm just a straight white guy and my opinion counts for little these days. But that might change after November 2nd...

And so it goes.


The Retired One

[edporch]

Originally posted by Retired Bum
So how many of the MSM types will be there with camera crews to record the event? If the media just ignored that idiot and his crew there wouldn't be much of a problem as I see it. But what do I know, I'm just a straight white guy and my opinion counts for little these days. But that might change after November 2nd...

And so it goes.


The Retired One

+1

[308bolt]

Book burning is disgusting.

Stack up a bunch of Muslims and light 'em up.

That'll make a real statement.

[molotov]

Book burning is disgusting.

I don't necessarily agree. I have torched a book or two in the privacy of my own home before. Didn't feel that the knowledge therein would do the reader any good.

Technically, I can agree with torching Korans but at this stage in the game a public book burning of that particular book is just bound to trigger a response from the muslim community.

[juanni]

The pastor's book burning is just a smaller, less expensive version of US foreign policy......... equally shortsighted and stupid.


Burn away, the sooner we are bankrupt, and realize we won't be winning anything over there the better.



..............juanni

[Stranger]

Originally posted by molotov
I think he is within his rights but it is inherently a bad idea and not a very christian one at that.

Jesus spent his adult years bringing light to the corrupt Jewish establishment. He had "crazy ideas" of right/wrong and sometimes performed violent deeds. I seem to remember that he made a lot of political hay when he overturned the money changers tables in the Temple. How is that for a "not very christian" action?

[homelandprotector]

We should nuke all places where these genocidal maniacs live, make them fear us more then they hate us.

Doing that would burn more korans then they could count.

[Brett]

Why burn it when it makes perfectly good toilet paper?

[308bolt]

Originally posted by molotov


I don't necessarily agree. I have torched a book or two in the privacy of my own home before. Didn't feel that the knowledge therein would do the reader any good.

IMO: All knowledge is of value.
Sometimes, if nothing else, it gives an insight into the mind of the enemy.

[martin35]

Our native ancestors had a deliberate method of gaining prestige and exalting their image and adding feathers to their bonnets, it was called counting coup, accumulative counts of ineffectual touching of a enemy was ranked up there with a kill. That and a poorly run immigration policy may be why they are not still running things,,, not a effective use of finite resources.

[JohnnyReb]

Originally posted by ggiilliiee
yer bible is 70% Koran ...man ...
and kickin ass hasnt worked too dam well has it ...now they only blow ya up 3 times a day instead of 5 ...burn the books and it will be 20 .

.just say to yourself ...hell there not my kids ...who cares ...and burn baby burn ....

We got nothing to worry about with you around ggilliee, popping those milk jugs at 500 and all ...

[RG Coburn]

I see absolutely nothing wrong with burning a book,whether it be a koran,or a bible,or freakin' cookbook. Its just a thing. If you who are so uptight about it ,really want to make a difference in Afghanistan,let our people shoot,burn and blow up anything they need to,without restriction.
ROE is killing way more than burning books.

[cowbilly]

Jesus took part in violent acts? Which bible are you reading?

Kicking corruption out of the church in the mannor he did as documented is hardly violence. Anger in itself is not a sin, it is simply an emotion like happiness or sadness.

It is funny how many of our leaders in the US are running scared because someone in Florida is going to burn a Quran or two. Only the media gives a rats for ratings. Bibles are burned everyday, christians in Africa and Asia are pursecuted for sharing their beliefs and no one says a thing. This happens because christians do not go around beheading non-believers as the followers of the Quran do nor do they blow themselves up and kill "non-believers" in order to get to heaven and have sex with X amount of virgins.

Yes, every religion has its wackos but which one demands submission or death? Which one promotes inequality in the treatment of women and non-believers? They've been burning our flag since the 1970s, and they think our constitution is toilet paper.

Now these same folks want to put a Mosque near ground zero and our leaders support it. Why don't we put a giant statue of Hitler to preside over the fallen at Normandy or a mitsibushi plant over the USS Arizona while we're at it.

We as a people are losing our spinal columns. You cannot maintain a different set of values and beliefs with the nation of islam and exist. Looks like peace through submission is the plan and I want no part of it.

[molotov]

IMO: All knowledge is of value.

No doubt. Still, I have come across some knowledge that didn't edify or inform me anything I wanted to know. In fact, some publications carry some pretty disturbing or misleading stuff in them. I generally trash or burn them. Then again, when you thrift for books, you wind up with some junk now and then.

Sometimes, if nothing else, it gives an insight into the mind of the enemy.

I think that radical Islam, a small movement backed by subversive intelligence organizations of world powers are the enemy. With that monetary and ideological backing they have hijacked Islam and created the same divisions the media has created here.

My experiences with muslims, aside from what "terrorists" did to the country were positive for the most part and I hold no ill will towards muslims who practice their religion in peace.

Is the Koran-burner responsible for any violent backlash, or is it the fault of the Muslims who actually engage in the violence? Is the Koran-burner undermining our war effort, or does the issue merely highlight how questionable it is to ally ourselves with Muslims who hate us and will stab us in the back at the smallest slight by any person in the US? Should we have those types of allies?

Just noting that Beckman has a very powerful argument here. Well said.

[ephv]

I cannot find any place in the New Testament instructions to the Church that we are to inflame the enemies of Christ. Burning the Koran is a publicity stunt by a poor church that cannot afford to fix their marque or the "lighted" cross on the front of their building.

Paul, in his instructions to the persecuted church in Rome was very clear as to what our response is to be. Those same Christians were used as lamp light on poles at night; burned alive for their stand for Christ.

Romans 12:14,18,20-21
[14] Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not....
[18] If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all
men.
[20] Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him
drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
[21] Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.


That "pastor" is doing a great disservice to both his church and to the name of Christ in particular. His actions are unscriptural.

If he wishes as a private citizen, to burn the book in protest he is within his Constitutional grounds but he is acting against Biblical directives as a so-called Christian.

[Beckman]

Originally posted by molotov

...

Just noting that Beckman has a very powerful argument here. Well said.

Thank you.

BTW, why is it that WE are the ones who need to be tollerant? How tollerant are the Saudis, our close allies and the world's supposedly moderate Arabs? Would they allow a non-believer into Mecca? Why is it that tollerance isn't a two-way street?

[flopshot]

Originally posted by Beckman
Thank you.

BTW, why is it that WE are the ones who need to be tollerant? How tollerant are the Saudis, our close allies and the world's supposedly moderate Arabs? Would they allow a non-believer into Mecca? Why is it that tollerance isn't a two-way street?

no more calls please. we have a fuk'n winner.

[flopshot]

when are all the muslim ass kissers going to realize that islam is not a religion but a political and legal system hiding behind religion ?
burn the ****'n books and let the chips fall. at some point this tolerance, inclusiveness and sensitivity shit needs to end so we can get to what is real. islam is a plague.

[armed1]

These Arabs have been waiting for centuries to pay back the Christiains for the crusades, and exterminate their mortal enemies, Jews. Now is their time as we have enriched them by buying their oil, and have weakened ourselves by way of tolerance and political correctness. Make no mistake, their aim is world domination, not tolerance and co-existence. These "virtues" are weaknesses to them and they will strike us at our weakest point.

Know why they don't burn Bibles in Saudi Arabia?

[JM]

Islam is a lie and the truth will kill it.

[martin35]

Islamic conversion has been greater by volume than Christianity and Judaism in the modern era. Effective Islamic eradication would probably require total human extinction,,, but not to worry, except for the few people that I truly like.

[Bprewit]

Every news story i see has something to do with how frightening it is the thought of the outrage of the muslims if he does this. Shit the American people are already beat and scared out of their minds of the evil muslims. I see them burning the American flag all the time yet we are not outraged and do violent acts against them. Burn the damn books and stop being afraid of them, and yes I have friends and family in the military who would love for the bleeding heart bullshit to stop and allow them to fight a war instead of having their hands tied. I will be flamed galore for this post I know but man why are we hiding our heads in the sand in fear of the almighty muslim?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[L Haney]

Originally posted by armed1

Know why they don't burn Bibles in Saudi Arabia?

Because they won't allow it in their country? Hard to burn something that's not there.

[GuitarBob]

I hope all you people that are suggesting that we stop them from burning the koran, because someone might get hurt, are effectively supporting terrorism.

All you are doing is teaching the terrorists that terrorism works. In a way you're giving moral support to the terrorists even though you don't intend to.

For the guy that suggested our soldiers might get hurt over this I have to ask one question. What good does it do to have our soldiers fight against terrorism over seas if we cave into it over here? Why are our soldiers put into harm's way to spread freedom over seas if we our so willing to surrender it here?

[GuitarBob]

Originally posted by armed1
These Arabs have been waiting for centuries to pay back the Christiains for the crusades, and exterminate their mortal enemies, Jews. Now is their time as we have enriched them by buying their oil, and have weakened ourselves by way of tolerance and political correctness. Make no mistake, their aim is world domination, not tolerance and co-existence. These "virtues" are weaknesses to them and they will strike us at our weakest point.

Know why they don't burn Bibles in Saudi Arabia?

Muslims waged war against Christians centuries before the crusades. Most of the near east used to be Christian at one time. Anyone want to guess what happened to those people?

[FAL freek]

Originally posted by ggiilliiee
the man is an idiot and a traitor ,and should be treated as such ...any of our troops get hurt over this flatlander moron ..he should be held responsible ..

if it ws such a great idea ,why arent the troops burnin them in the streets in iraq and afganny..??

And Anerican soldiers aren't allowed to drink alcohol over ther either for fear of offending our "hosts". The entire world shakes in fear of sword waving religious zealot camel jockies who are only too happy to strap bombs on themselves to kill whoever they deem offensive. Folks been appeasing them for at least 50 years and they still kill everybody they can so they can get their way. All those years of drug abouse have really affected your brain.


Ya know while the Arabic countries were colonies and the Colonial masters dealt with them accordingly they didn't seem to get too out of hand. Since they've gained their independence they behave like unruly teenagers who just got the keys to the car. It's way past time dad came back with the belt.

[cowbilly]

Some would like to lay blame on this preacher if Soldiers are killed. How about blaming the ones planting the IEDs, training/becoming suicide bombers and shooting RPGs. They have been doing that for 30 years prior to this incident.

Wrong is wrong, right is right. The pastor has made his point before even lighting a match regarding the relegion of Islam.

The Bible says to turn your check, use soft words, be kind to your enemies but it does not say lay down nor does it say to tolerate wickedness (eg. Jesus kicking out the profiteers from the church), (The Quran teaches you to lie to your enemy and smite them if they don't convert, contrary to the Bible's teaching).

There are times when someone needs to stand up and get peoples attention. I don't know if I agree with his methods or not but it has become effective as we are now discussing this as a nation. Even the President is calling for him to stop.

It does not help relations with the "followers of the Quran" but nothing would or ever will as long as we have a constitution. Unless you convert to the religion you are considered an outsider and an enemy.

This incident is showing our greatest weakness, our leadership.

[Varangian]

Originally posted by ggiilliiee
kickin ass hasnt worked too dam well has it ...now they only blow ya up 3 times a day instead of 5 ...burn the books and it will be 20 .

.just say to yourself ...hell there not my kids ...who cares ...and burn baby burn ....

What a pussy. "Let's not do anything to piss the Muslims off, and maybe they'll only kick us in the nuts instead of in the head..."

You're part of the problem. STFU and let people who are willing to stand up to Muslim aggression do their thing.

[V guy]

It is the eve of 911, and by god, I am mad as hell all over again.

I suggest a method to make everyone feel better about this burning.

You see, to make a koran, you just have to write the word KORAN on a rectangular piece of cardboard. There is not much inside anyway, as we all know.

To the world of ragheads, this is the same thing as a KORAN, just the instant kind, as the word koran is magic to them and represents the very same thing.

That way, on the 11th, everyone can, if they wish, throw the instant KORAN onto the campfire or whatever source of pyro that you choose.
It is the idea sometimes, and the act othertimes.

You WILL feel better afterwards.


--Oh yeah, drawing a picture of muhammad and allah inside the cover performing deviant acts would be a plus, too. It is not necessary to dress as a CRUSADER, as people might confuse the KKK sheet with it, nowadays. The anniverszary of 911 demands decorum and a damned burning of that damned book and it must be universal to give the rag heads a what for and how to attitude.

Not one more American soldier will be attacked or killed by the announcement of Koran burning.
The jr level ragheads in the pipeline always intended to attack anyway and sooner is better than later.

Just trying to be helpful.
I will have a campfire on 911 for sure.

[Sailor553]

Petraus is the guy that said this would harm the troops?

[K.O.A.M.]

You can blame the media for this whole thing. This attention whore of a pastor called a press conference and said "I'm gonna burn Qur'ans". Our attention whore serving media has publicized it worldwide. This attention whore now has everyone talking about him, which is exactly what he wanted in the first place.

[cpd109]

Lots of good, accurate (in my mind) things being said here. What hasn't been said is that after burning the koran, the congregation will leave the church for home and dinner. Later, the congregation will come back in shifts, armed, to wait of the moose limbs to show up to burn the church down. They will then protect their church. BTW, I am pretty sure this (burning the church down, or trying to) would be defined as a hate crime since the mose limbs are picking on the church.

What is radical to one person is taking a stand to another.

Legally, the koran can be burned in this country as freedom of expression. But it may have consequences, here and in Iraq and Afghanistan. At least over there, the soldiers are armed and alert for attacks. Here not so much.

"Islam is a set of laws and government hiding behind religion." That makes sense to me and fits what I have read about it.

[JM]

Islam needs to be purged from America. Muslums can only exist as a disruptive minority or as a oppressive majority. The mosque is primarily a political meeting place to recruit new members and plan violence and murder advocated by the vile book called the koran. All mosques in America need to be shut down and all Americans denounce Islam or face deportation back to their Islamic hellholes they came from. Burning that damned book called the koran is American as Apple Pie and certainly will be in the near future when the SOB's nuke or destroy and kill tens of thousands of real Americans. If any one of you here lose your wife or children or family member to a koran crazed Islamist, I guarantee you will be burning that damned book!

[Stranger]

Originally posted by cowbilly
Jesus took part in violent acts? Which bible are you reading?

Kicking corruption out of the church in the mannor he did as documented is hardly violence. Anger in itself is not a sin, it is simply an emotion like happiness or sadness.

Yeah, Jesus got angry, threw a fit and people just left. And the cords he used as a whip ? I suppose you think he was just flagellating himself?

[V guy]

Islam is not a religion by any definition of it, unless the MAFIA was a religion, or the German SS.

The Worlds great religions, like Bhuddism, Hinduism, Judiasm and Christianity all define the general parameters of a religion and its relationship to society at large.

Islam has no basic moral tenets, for it modifies the ten commandments with its Sura's and its demonic treatment of "infidels", women and medical aid workers.

What IS needed in this country is a definition by the IRS to define a religion, other than by simple declaration of religion.
We are talking about tax status only, not banning free speech.

Any simple analysis of Islam would show that it is a RICO conspiracy first and a gang second.

Take away their tax status and let the chips fall where they may.

[Varangian]

Funny, the President didn't grovel to stop
this