anyone have a full auto FAL?

[bremenlegation]

just curious. are they as uncontrollable on full auto as they are said to be?



http://www.autoweapons.com/photos09/feb/2383fal.html


this is truly a puurrty gun!

[def90]

SLR5000 posted this of a 12 year old boy with an automatic FAL..

[Lee Carpentieri]

I have two, One is a G-Series Factory sniper and the other is a 11 inch barreled Folding stock model with a DSA Rail system with vertical grip. Both are transferable Full-Auto's and are totally controlable. You just have to hold them a certain way and firmly as your shooting a 7.62x51mm cartridge at anywhere from 650 to 900+ RPM. The one you linked too at Autoweapons .com is around 28K in cost. It has a very rare Stanag scope mount and scope package. Thiers three Full-Auto Fals on that website. Another G-Series and a 50-64 Para.

[gunplumber]

I've had several over the years, post samples. They are not particularly controllable. But with practice (or if you are a 6'6" Viking like Bill) they can be somewhat controlled. I find a G3 easier to control on full-auto than a FAL. Even then, at 40 yards, first round on target, second round a foot high high, third round 10' high.

I have a couple movies of bill and I shooting. but since I switched to windows 7 I'm getting an error.

They are .mpg, so if anyone can help me figure out what's wrong I'll put them back on my website.

It seems to work fine here as a link, but when I click on it as a file it gives me an error message.

http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co.../falmovie1.mpg


http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co.../falmovie2.mpg


http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.co.../falmovie3.mpg

[jbrooks]

I suppose "controllable" is relative. As gunplumber said, following shots can be all over the place. F/A is OK for suppressive fire, but then you want a real machinegun with a belt or box feed, IMO.

Even the M16 will spray quite a bit, you will be all over the target (and off) at 100 yards... unless you're off the bench.

JWB

[Falfegnügen]

It's all relative. To put it into perspective, in my short experience with automatic small arms which you can shoot while standing (throwing out real MG's like the MAG, Minimi, or GAU-2):


FAL is noticably more controllable than an M14.

FAL is not nearly as controllable as an AK

AK is not nearly as controllable as an M16

M16 is not nearly as controllable as an MP5

MP5 is not quite as controllable as P90

You can write your initials in the target with a P90.

[KBAR04]

I've fired both the FAL and G3 full auto. The FAL wont jump out of your hands or anything but ...its not a SMG, the purpose is to make hits and that is difficult to do firing full auto with any 7.62 battle rifle. The reason most militaries use the FAL on semi only is because of ammo wastage. The standard combat load for the FAL was generally 100 rounds...emptying a 20 round magazine into one target...not good.

[4markk]

Originally posted by Falfegnügen
It's all relative. To put it into perspective, in my short experience with automatic small arms which you can shoot while standing (throwing out real MG's like the MAG, Minimi, or GAU-2):

You can write your initials in the target with a P90.

I agree .... it is all relative ... I'd like to add one more to the list ....

With the KRISS I can correct your spelling and shadow trace your initials ...

http://www.kriss-tdi.com/component/c...html?task=view

When I'm going through the funnel-of-death I'd want the KRISS .... if I'm facing a human-wave a water-cooled Vickers would be beautiful (or Jesse and Arnold with their manpack Miniguns :-)

[Falfegnügen]

Originally posted by 4markk


...With the KRISS I can correct your spelling and shadow trace your initials ...

It will definitely have its work cut out for it then!

[Lee Carpentieri]

Like Gunplumber pointed out, A MG will shoot a cone of fire and were talking about the Fal, Not a Full-Auto carbine or SMG. You want some control of the M14, You need to installed the barreled receiver into an M14A1/E2 stock with the verical grip and and pistol grip and slip over muzzle brake, Bipod and hang on for dear life if it's tuned and running right. Most controlable 7.62x51mm that I've ever fired is the BM-59 Mark IV, Its almost a joy to shoot. Belt fed machineguns are normally listed as GPMG's or light support weapons all the way up to .50 Cal or 12.7mm and also crew served weapons on the upper caliber end.

[fnogger]

I've had the pleasure of shooting full auto M14, HK91, and G series FAL in the same sitting, as well as watching others shoot it from behind. The FAL is the most controllable of them.

[Tim Dreas]

I've noticed the shorter barrels are more controllable in full auto than the longer barrels. An 18 inch barrel is slightly more controllable than a 21 inch barrel. Down to 17 inches or shorter and there is a real difference. The FAL doesn't have a high bolt carrier weight to bolt weight ratio. This makes it tend to suffer from harmonic stoppages in full auto. This seems like bolt bounce which it may be. It usually shows up as a "bang-bang-jam". It seems more common on the heavy barrel models but the light barrels can suffer from it also. I have found I can nearly always fix it on a heavy barrel by increasing the gas port diameter in the barrel. It's not a sure cure and is more of a design problem. I don't know why heavy barrels tend to do it more often. It may be the weight allows it to happen more often or it may be the thicker barrel diameter at the gas port creating a longer gas port. I do not know exactly why increasing the gas port diameter helps either. The gas regulator still needs proper adjustment. For the best control go with a 17 inch barrel or the DS Arms 16.25" barrel. The 18 inch barrel is even a bit better in control than the 21 inch barrel. The rate of fire is higher than a G3.

[nawck]

There is also the option of compensator / brake if you don't mind using something that isn't original.

There is a video of one that looks like a Dreadnought or JP Enterprises or something like that being used on a full auto FAL, an AK and something else. The guy shoots them all one handed pistol style without using the buttstock.

I looked for the video but I failed. Perhaps somebody else has the link?

I see no problem putting modern US Parts on a FAL since we are not legally allowed to make authentic ones anyway, that is why I have a Vortex FH on my Rhodie.

But I will never have a III license when I can't afford to shoot now.

[SLR-5000]

The short 11 inch barrel on my latest L1A1 machinegun only burns part of the powder before the bullet leaves the barrel and therefore reduces recoil and muzzle climb.
I have found from a hell of a lot of full auto shooting if you dump the whole mag with one pull of the trigger the rounds stay on target a lot better than if you do 3 or 4 round bursts.
It pisses me off when people come to shoot my machineguns and do short trigger pulls.
With practice anyone can hold a machinegun on target.
The 12 year old kid in the video up top had never shot a 308 in his life, I had him adopt the correct stance (most important) and try to push my fork lift as practice for shooting the machinegun.
Pat

[nawck]

Originally posted by SLR-5000
It pisses me off when people come to shoot my machineguns and do short trigger pulls.

You are not the only one. At one gun show I shot a full auto Thompson Machinegun. I shot an entire magazine (except for the last 5 shots) single shot.

The owner acted like I had peed on him.