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August 05, 2010, 12:10
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have you seen this on an Argentine before??
why is this rod here???
  
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August 05, 2010, 12:27
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It is standard on all semi-auto Argies for import into the US (Argentine law, not US). Standard receivers will not fit on this lower, you must either remove the pin (not recommended) or use an Argentine semi-only receiver. COONAN is making a small run of specail receivers for the semi-auto Argies...
see: http://www.ammoland.com/2010/07/12/c...-fal-receiver/ Do a search and you will see the mods needed for a receiver to fit. That pin is swaged in place. If you remove it, cut it in the middle and the 2 parts will come out of the sides. In addition, you will note the Argy semi hammer is different from a standard hammer. You cannot use a standard hammer with this pin unless you modify the hammer. Other, more knowlegeable folks here can elucidate. If you want to remove the pin, please PM me... JWB Last edited by jbrooks; August 05, 2010 at 13:33. |
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August 05, 2010, 13:01
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thank you jbrooks
i think i will build this one....as i have the bolt and carrier with matching #s and a nice barrel with no #s.... thank you again and take care brett |
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August 05, 2010, 13:05
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It's easy to relieve the rear face of the receivers' hinge pin to allow the Argentine lower to fit. Just take your time with the Dremel or even a file and don't remove more than is necessary.
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August 05, 2010, 13:25
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I rounded my reciever with a file, took a while but worked. Fit perfect....
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August 05, 2010, 13:30
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In general, I recommend against removing the pin. If you do, you will have a hole in the lower and it's rather unsightly. The pin gives it some class, IMO.
Plus, if you remove the pin and let the hammer fly forward it will not be stopped by the fire control retaining plate and you will eventually break the lip of the plate. JWB |
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August 05, 2010, 13:30
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August 05, 2010, 14:11
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who has the "Argy semi hammer"???
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August 05, 2010, 14:16
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You don't need one.
Using the very same Dremel or file as above, simply remove the front hook from the hammer where it contacts the pin. Be sure to remove enough that there is a bit of clearance when the hammer is in the fired position when the rifle is assembled, so that the pin does not make contact and absorb any of the enery from the hammer strike.
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August 05, 2010, 14:23
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I think I'll take some pics of the semi hammer along side the regular auto hammer. Very simple filing mod to make, as J. Armstrong says... JWB EDIT: MY BAD.... I realize for 922(r) compliance you may want a US made hammer. In tat case, do the mod... |
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August 05, 2010, 15:00
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jbrooks... picked this up in a lot box of stuff, on hammer or stock came with it, did have the trig and othe parts,
in the box was another argi lower, the rod was removed from it and is striped...from the list it looks like Nebula8080 has the bolt and carrier for that one. I will post pics. of this build as soon as i am done with my Izzy HB make-over. thank you all for the info. so far.... |
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August 05, 2010, 20:48
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While the info above is correct, I routinely remove the rod. Yes, it has to be welded in, or cut and the ends soldered in as plugs, or using plastic plugs, or whatever.
If the original finish is to be retained, then sure, leave it in. But if you're doing a build involving refinish, its not too complicated to remove the rod and fill the holes. One thing I'm going to try on my next one is to cut the rod a little more than flush to the inside and just squeeze the end as a flush rivet. This will leave it a matching color for a park finish, while the weld or solder would show.
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August 05, 2010, 20:57
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Hi bf2rules111,
See the picture....the one on the right is an Argentine hammer...with no recess for the safety sear.. [IMG]  [/IMG]
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August 05, 2010, 21:02
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 Pretty clear that all you have to do is file the left hammer to match the contour of the right hammer, very simple to do. Just start at the safety sear notch and blend in making it flat...  JWB |
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August 05, 2010, 21:21
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 ). All metal to the right of the red line vaporized with a dremmel!  [IMG]  [/IMG]
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August 05, 2010, 21:36
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According to your excellent picture/drawing,,, You could probably just use a belt sander to knock that flat..
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August 05, 2010, 22:55
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Thank you aezcur
I looked in the box again and did find one like that, your photo and the one i have will help me mod the US one. |
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August 05, 2010, 23:21
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August 05, 2010, 23:25
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August 05, 2010, 23:26
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August 05, 2010, 23:45
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I appreciate the offer of counseling assistance, but there was no permanent damage and it was a long time ago in a land far far away... Fortunately, before I met my wife-to-be.  Getting the pics of your No. 00004 Argy goes a long way towards healing the wounds...  JWB |
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August 09, 2010, 12:15
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If you want to duplicate the same cut style, a 12.5 degree angle with a 1/2" ball endmill works pretty well. I have a bolt carrier inside the receiver to prevent squishing it in the mill vise.
   
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August 09, 2010, 12:43
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Mark - Where did you get that Argie receiver? - I've never seen a Argie that wasn't a Type3, is that a Type1?
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August 09, 2010, 13:09
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I think it started as a type III and someone (DSA?) recut it to a type I. The cuts look just a little off - the radius is more than typical, there is no cut on the locking lug. The receiver front radius isn't done, and the black finish was wrong - inside of receiver and cocking handle slide was paint, should be park - locking lug was painted. Whoever did it did a fine job but I'm pretty sure it isn't original.
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