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I would buy one 31 4.44%
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Old September 13, 2010, 19:07   #241
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Mold co. has said 8 to 10 weeks before I will have the first real polymer mag in my hands and then I will be testing them, so if everything goes smoothly I would say best case scenario would be 10 to 12 weeks before I would be able to actually sell them. I am gonna be hounding them relentlessly, maybe I can shave a few weeks off of the time.
WEG, no pics allowed on the interweb yet as I do not want any other company getting any ideas off of my design until I am ready to sell.
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Old September 13, 2010, 19:44   #242
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I'll probably end up with about 10 before it's over with. I figure I'll put up my surplus mags and use the moses mags for general shooting, matches, ect.
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Old September 14, 2010, 08:12   #243
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Any chance of developing mags for the FN SCAR-H?
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Old September 14, 2010, 14:41   #244
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These mags with a couple small modifications should work in the SCAR-H.
Unless the bolt hold open isn't compatible.
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Old September 15, 2010, 18:02   #245
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Moses, if you should need help designing a brand logo, or start up your own LLC or what-have-you and need an image, let me know. I'm willing to volunteer my services as a graphic designer to help you get that going.

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Old September 15, 2010, 18:32   #246
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Man that would be great!!! PM sent!
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Old September 17, 2010, 09:17   #247
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If PMAG durable, I would buy five. However, considering how many metal 20 rd FAL mags are already on the market, I would think that 25 or 30 round mags would be more competitive and desirable.
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Old September 17, 2010, 09:22   #248
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Definately would be interested in OD mags.
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Old September 18, 2010, 05:40   #249
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Exactly, to quote you "considering how many metal 20 rd FAL mags are already on the market"

Mine are polymer The only polymer FAL mag currently on the market is Thermold and they are not, how do I say this nicely? Attractive or of high quality as far as working correctly. I have 2 and both have failed.
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Exactly, to quote you "considering how many metal 20 rd FAL mags are already on the market"

Mine are polymer The only polymer FAL mag currently on the market is Thermold and they are not, how do I say this nicely? Attractive or of high quality as far as working correctly. I have 2 and both have failed.
Exactly!! I have one Thermold mag for my "All USA FAL" and it's for show! I NEVER use it because it doesn't work very well.



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Old September 18, 2010, 20:50   #251
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... Just check'n in with this thread.
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Old September 18, 2010, 21:38   #252
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Great news on the progress.

I'm in for at least a dozen black to begin with.

Thanks much for making this happen!!
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Old September 18, 2010, 23:07   #253
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I put down for 10 pehaps an even 12. I am planning on getting a RRA LAR-8 to go with my FAL and having high quality mags compatible with both would be a huge plus for me, especially if they are anywhere near P-Mag quality.
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Old September 19, 2010, 02:00   #254
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We are now in line for our production molds to be made.

Getting closer fella's!!!!!! [/B]
WOOHOOOOOOOOO!

Really looking forward to these!

If they're workers, I'll be picking up a bunch!
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Old September 19, 2010, 20:52   #255
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These mags with a couple small modifications should work in the SCAR-H.
Unless the bolt hold open isn't compatible.
Will there be a retro fit kit or instructions for SCAR H modification? Also a SCAR H specific bolt hold open follower would be a great accessory, perhaps to retrofit modified steel mags.

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Old September 20, 2010, 13:05   #257
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I will need to get a SCAR H before I will know what will and won't work.
Also not sure if my mags will fit in the magwell of the SCAR H as it has ribs kinda like pmags.
I am pretty sure they will be able to be modified to fit but it might take some relief work to the outside of the mag body.
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Old September 20, 2010, 13:20   #258
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The SCAR H mag is IDENTICAL to the FAL mag except there is no "beek" in the front, there is a magazine catch hole on the left side like on M-16 mags and the follower is set up to engage the bolt catch like on an M-16. Other than that they look like they used the same dies.

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Old September 20, 2010, 16:39   #260
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I would buy 10-12 if they functioned as well as surplus. I have a bunch of beat up mags I would replace with polymer if I could.
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Old September 20, 2010, 17:38   #261
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The SCAR H mag is IDENTICAL to the FAL mag except there is no "beek" in the front, there is a magazine catch hole on the left side like on M-16 mags and the follower is set up to engage the bolt catch like on an M-16. Other than that they look like they used the same dies.

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Feed lips are a little different too. Material needs to be removed from FAL mag feed lips to replicate SCAR mag, so it's do-able.

Moses, any idea if your mags will fit the mag wells in the RRA LAR-8 and Kel-tec RFB?
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Gah, my hotmail subscription links keep taking me to Pg 4! :S

Anyways, free bump I suppose!


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Old September 22, 2010, 19:21   #263
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Pretty sure some material on the outside of the mag body ribs will have to be removed to fit in the LAR-8 and the RFB.
I didn't want to alter the outside design/appearance of the mag in order for them to fit in those two rifles because then the mag would have looked kinda funny in an FAL and I am making these for the FAL first and foremost.
With a little dremel work or sanding they should be able to fit and function in the LAR-8 and the RFB.
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Curious what the consensous is on how you guys would like these to look?
Just so long as they do not even remotely resemble a Tapco or CAA product.
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Old September 24, 2010, 15:38   #265
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If I did not already say it...

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Old September 26, 2010, 01:24   #266
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How far out now moses?
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Old September 27, 2010, 07:49   #267
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SCAR mags and FAL mags are a lot more different than the beak and mag catch LOL.

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I know they (SCAR mags) have the square cut out on the side for the AR type mag catch assembly, I assume the feed lips would also be different. I would need to compare with a scar mag in hand.

Talked to the molding company today, the 2 base molds are there and they should be getting started on them this week.
Not sure about the work load they have so not sure how long it will be, I am guessing 6 to 8 weeks before I get some mags in hand to test.
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Old September 28, 2010, 10:24   #269
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Moses,

I just bought a RRA LAR-8 primarily for mag compatilbility with my FAL's. Reading above I will need to modify the mags to work in the LAR-8. Will this void any warranty the mags will have?

Thanks for making these a reality. I hope they make you a million!

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SCAR mags have different feed lip cuts yes. C products did a different design altogether for the SCAR. I shot the SCAR heavy with DSA mags at CRANE they worked great the rifles however can't take as much heat as the FAL can.

For many reasons a FAL mag needs to be retained in a SCAR, there lower design works too much in connection with that design.
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GO for it Moses.

Produce great magazines by knowing your measurements, production factors, and the feeling in your gut !

Remember, aside from the surplus mags sellers out there, you have no serious competition except DSA. DSA seems to be out to lunch on producing new mags. Therefore, when it comes down to a question of who has the best chance to produce and sell a carload of USA made quality mags in the next year or two...YOU DA MAN.
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I don't really know what sort of warranty Moses will be able to provide, as I'm not privy to all the business-type info with this project......

As for modification, I'd guess it's a "mod at your own risk" kind of deal...


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DSA is just sticking to what is making the most profit. Getting the line set up just right to run something they won't sell a ton of or make a huge profit on is probably way down on the "to do" list, but without a source of reliable magazines the future of the FAL is in the air.

It's the perfect opportunity for a small business/individual craftsman to step in and fill the gap. He can profit because of low overhead. Or go completely tits up and declare bankruptcy!

JK moses, best of luck to you man.

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Well anouther thing to worry about are huge amounts of mags coming in. I know where these mags are and so does DSA this is what kills the mag market and that the FAL is not a AR and while we all think highly of the FAL most people don't care or know.

FAL market is different because its a builders gun but not a easy build gun and for many years there were $200 receivers and $100 parts kits and $4 mags.

The FAL Files has the same issue the FAL has to grow and this place to be active we need cheap kits, receivers and rifles well thats not going to happen. Cheap mags maybe but thats not enough there have been cheap HK mags for years now and it has not helped to grow the HK popularity.

For the the FAL to grow DSA has to grow and get out there. The company promo on youtube and there web site is a major help. The Shooting Gallery and Tactical Arms TV show is a help as well.
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Well anouther thing to worry about are huge amounts of mags coming in. I know where these mags are and so does DSA this is what kills the mag market and that the FAL is not a AR and while we all think highly of the FAL most people don't care or know.

FAL market is different because its a builders gun but not a easy build gun and for many years there were $200 receivers and $100 parts kits and $4 mags.

The FAL Files has the same issue the FAL has to grow and this place to be active we need cheap kits, receivers and rifles well thats not going to happen. Cheap mags maybe but thats not enough there have been cheap HK mags for years now and it has not helped to grow the HK popularity.

For the the FAL to grow DSA has to grow and get out there. The company promo on youtube and there web site is a major help. The Shooting Gallery and Tactical Arms TV show is a help as well.
I am going to have to disagree with you. Builds aren't hard at all, if you have a lathe its pretty easy in the event you need to take a bit off the shoulder. With a keltec bullpump, LAR and all the fal's running on 60 year old mags there is plenty of demand. How many sources for new working U.S Fal mags do you know of that work straight out of the box? 3 u.s parts and half the weight and more durability than the aluminum mags is worth a small premium. One thing I have noticed about Fal fans is that some of them have literally hundreds of mags and boxes of parts. Hell, when I got to 50 mags, my shooting friends thought I was crazy. When the mags are ready and working I will still buy. The build I did in the spring cost around $500 before refinishing for a full size caliber battle field rifle, that's a deal in my mind for what you get.

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compared the AR its not an easy build.

Kel Tec is low production and then RRA really needs it own FAL type mags for that rifle it become a reliable platform its too mag sensitive.
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compared the AR its not an easy build.
I think everyone would agree to that compared to any rifle would you speak of. The ar isn't a full caliber rifle though and that market is complete saturated in every aspect.
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yea but 90% of the black rifle market is AR
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compared the AR its not an easy build.

Kel Tec is low production and then RRA really needs it own FAL type mags for that rifle it become a reliable platform its too mag sensitive.
What RRA really needs to do is redesign the lower receiver to accept the original AR-10 magazine. With the US and British military adopting this platform as their new markmanship rifle the mags are getting plentiful. No more $100 mags from Knight's Armament when C-Products is selling the mags for less than $15. KAC, LMT, POF, LaRue all use the same magazine.

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yes they do need to but that would be the right thing to do, and RRA dont work that way.

almost all RRA rifles are as follows

non mil spec buffer tube
1:9 twist barrel
4140 steel barrel
non chrome lined or nitrided bore
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