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View Poll Results: How many polymer US made FAL mags would you buy?
I would buy one 31 4.44%
I would buy two 122 17.48%
I would buy five 300 42.98%
I would buy ten 245 35.10%
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Old March 17, 2011, 16:56   #521
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I too have been following this thread. Great work Moses. I will be purchasing some OD Green ones once they are on the market.
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Old March 18, 2011, 00:39   #522
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Moses how long before they are ready for sale? thanks ~RT
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Old March 18, 2011, 13:51   #523
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Not sure on the exact date.
Guessing I would think I will have the updated prototype in 2 to 3 weeks and then I'll test it (at least another week of hard testing, I have already tested the first batch and it has passed all the wear and strength tests so I just need to make sure none of the changes made effected anything) , if I approve it then the mold will have the final logo's and other info engraved in it, I am guessing at least a week on that, but it could be less. Then a week for them to shoot/make the parts.

So I am thinking if all goes well 6 weeks, if all goes extremely well 4 1/2 to 5 weeks. But this is purely speculation on my part.
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Curious why and what updates are being made?
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In the past couple weeks I made a dozen and shipped 8 prototypes of this simple little part.
For 30 years I have had mechanical engineers and packaging people make drawings of my electrical designs. It looks so easy, but getting the documentation to the point that someone else can make it, turns out to be a lot of work and takes a lot of time.
And then there is the correspondence with customers, and the shipping.
None of it is complicated, it just a big hassle, like baby sitting.

What does it all mean?
Documentation for mass production is not fast or easy.
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Old March 19, 2011, 02:51   #526
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Pretty cool. May have to check a mag out or 10
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Old March 19, 2011, 17:29   #527
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Minor dimension changes, like moving the front beak location by .030, changing the mag catch location tab by .015, adding two small channels in the front mag wall to allow for longer than spec bullets to feed in the mag.
Mag would have worked without these changes but this should make it reliable in slightly out of spec receivers and/or out of spec mag catches too.

The main change that had to be made was the core of the mold was undersized and had to be fixed to allow the mag to hold all 20 rounds without having to be modified by hand, this was an error that was made when the core was machined, the dimension was just incorrect, the mold company wasn't sure how they missed the dimensions but they did so they are making a new correct size core.
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Minor dimension changes, like moving the front beak location by .030, changing the mag catch location tab by .015, adding two small channels in the front mag wall to allow for longer than spec bullets to feed in the mag.
Mag would have worked without these changes but this should make it reliable in slightly out of spec receivers and/or out of spec mag catches too.

The main change that had to be made was the core of the mold was undersized and had to be fixed to allow the mag to hold all 20 rounds without having to be modified by hand, this was an error that was made when the core was machined, the dimension was just incorrect, the mold company wasn't sure how they missed the dimensions but they did so they are making a new correct size core.
Thanks for the detailed answer.
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This thread gets better everytime i check it out. I'm gonna have to start scrapin' some change together 'cause i'll be needin' some Moses Mags
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How are the external dimensions compared to standard FAL mags? Will they fit in standard 20-rd .308 pouches (e.g. the G3 pouches)?

Would you be willing to post a drawing with external dimensions? I'm working on making a buttstock pouch with measurements from my standard mags, and I'd like to make sure these would fit too.
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Old March 19, 2011, 21:49   #531
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How are the external dimensions compared to standard FAL mags? Will they fit in standard 20-rd .308 pouches (e.g. the G3 pouches)?

Would you be willing to post a drawing with external dimensions? I'm working on making a buttstock pouch with measurements from my standard mags, and I'd like to make sure these would fit too.
From what I have seen of them, they will fit in a standard 7.62 mag pouch. Moses told me that he tried them in the Canandian pouches and they fit with no problem and allowed the flap to be shut. The Canadian pouches I have are tighter than the US GI M-14 mags to give a a little perspective. Obviously the external specs have to be the same as a metal FAL mag since they have to fit into all of the mag wells. So you should be good to go making one using a FAL mag as guidance. The overall length is slightly longer than a FAL mag - about a quarter inch (using the Mk1 precision eyeball). The base pad is similar in shape to the inch mag floor plate. It is just slightly wider than an inch floor plate but much thicker. This gives you something substantial to grab onto when withdrawing the mag from the pouch, especially if your pouches don't have the tug straps.
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In the past couple weeks I made a dozen and shipped 8 prototypes of this simple little part.
So, is that a kaboom-a-meter???
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What does it all mean?
Documentation for mass production is not fast or easy.
^ truth.

Also: Do you want it done fast, or do you want it done right?
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From what I have seen of them, they will fit in a standard 7.62 mag pouch.
Good to hear.

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Obviously the external specs have to be the same as a metal FAL mag since they have to fit into all of the mag wells.
That only applies to the part that has to fit into the mag well...

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So you should be good to go making one using a FAL mag as guidance. The overall length is slightly longer than a FAL mag - about a quarter inch (using the Mk1 precision eyeball). The base pad is similar in shape to the inch mag floor plate. It is just slightly wider than an inch floor plate but much thicker. This gives you something substantial to grab onto when withdrawing the mag from the pouch, especially if your pouches don't have the tug straps.
Not to be snarky, but... "it's the same but slightly longer" is why I was hoping for actual dimensions.

It's a horizontal pouch so it's more sensitive to the height of the mag and the size of the base. I'll make my pattern a quarter-inch "taller". The dimensions for the lip around the base would be most welcome, as that part won't be sticking out the top of the pouch and would have to fit without binding up.
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I would like a 30+ round mag but I like what your doing...

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John, sorry forgot to give you dimensions. I'll measure now and report back in a few.

Here ya go, let me know if you need anything else.

It's 6.300" from top to bottom at the rear
It's 5.800" from top to bottom at the front
Floor plate is 1.4" wide and 3.440" long
Mag body is 1.100 at it's widest and 3.165" front to back.
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Old March 22, 2011, 12:48   #539
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And for us californians why not just rivet the magazine to 10 rounds or send as parts kit so we can rivet them.
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Can one of you Californians send me a link to where it says it's legal to send disassembled mag components to California?

Thanks!!!!
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Yessir here ya go http://gunwiki.net/Gunwiki/LegalCaliforniaMagazines its under the observations of ca magazine laws. If u want more links let me know I would post more but I'm on my phone thanks..
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Can one of you Californians send me a link to where it says it's legal to send disassembled mag components to California?

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Refer to question no. 3.

http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/DOJ...2005-11-10.pdf

There are several out of state vendors that currently offer magazine parts kits for sale to California (i.e., complete disassembled magazines) along with many, many in-state vendors.

Essentially, it is legal as long as the intent of the buyer is to repair or otherwise replace parts on a existing hi-cap magazine or to use the parts to manufacture a magazine with a capacity of 10 rounds or less.

There are Californians with permits, though, for hi-cap mags in which case most or all of the restrictions do not apply.
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Moses, you gonna' bring what you have in hand to Stimpy's match for us to ooh and ahh over even if the production models ain't in hand yet? I know that would go over big time.

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Yes I will definitely bringing what ever I have, hopefully I will have some for prizes!!!!

Just depends on how fast the mold company is on the revisions I am having them do on the molds.
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I'll be in for a few 20rnd'ers in black, plus the one in our trade.

Your wrench went out on Saturday so you should be getting it soon. Put in some extra's too. I figured you'd get good use out of them.
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In the past couple weeks I made a dozen and shipped 8 prototypes of this simple little part.
For 30 years I have had mechanical engineers and packaging people make drawings of my electrical designs. It looks so easy, but getting the documentation to the point that someone else can make it, turns out to be a lot of work and takes a lot of time.
And then there is the correspondence with customers, and the shipping.
None of it is complicated, it just a big hassle, like baby sitting.

What does it all mean?
Documentation for mass production is not fast or easy.
That sure looks like a shell holder for a Co-Ax press.

After that, can't wait for the mags to be ready.
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Yes I will definitely bringing what ever I have, hopefully I will have some for prizes!!!!

Just depends on how fast the mold company is on the revisions I am having them do on the molds.
Any thoughts on spreading the wealth to Files members at first?
Not sure how many you are making at first... so say a couple each
to guys here to play with first??

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I plan on doing at least 2000 the first run so should have plenty for everyone.
I will be selling them here first so Falfile members will have first shot at them.
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They will be $23.99 per mag
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I'm in!!

I'm in for 5 ODs to start, and a pile of the anti tilt followers whenever they get done (they are still in the works, right?). Great job on this, and thanks for all the hard work. What a contribution to the FAL community.
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Can you make 10 round magazines for us living in ban states and for hunting purposes? I know that you can corner the CA market because no one is supplying the state with CA-legal 10 round magazines. DSA is out until summer.

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I'm in for 4 of em' Johnny, please PM me when you need the $cash$

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I plan on doing at least 2000 the first run so should have plenty for everyone.
I will be selling them here first so Falfile members will have first shot at them.
Outstanding!! Let us know when to send cash

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I will take 2 to start. When will these be released?

Looking for 10 rounders so I don't have to do any mods (I am in CA).
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Hmmm, think I just raised my initial buy from 2 to 4. Bring 'em on!!!!
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Molders are finishing up on the revisions to the mold I had them make, then I will be testing them.

When I give final approval they will start mass production.

Should be doing at least 2000 the first run, if demand seems higher I will do more.

Subsequent runs should only take a few weeks if needed.

I am estimating 2 months until they are for sale but I am hoping it will be sooner............ Much sooner!


At this time I am concentrating on getting the 20 rd mag out, after that I will see what I can do to make Cali legal mags.

And yes still planning on doing the anti tilt follower for the OEM steel and aluminum (indium) mags.

Thanks for your interest!
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