How many want a US made FAL mag? (Pics & videos added) - Page 14

**cavegeo** · March 17, 2011, 16:56

I too have been following this thread. Great work Moses. I will be purchasing some OD Green ones once they are on the market.

RT · March 18, 2011, 00:39

Moses how long before they are ready for sale? thanks ~RT

**moses** · March 18, 2011, 13:51

Not sure on the exact date.
Guessing I would think I will have the updated prototype in 2 to 3 weeks and then I'll test it (at least another week of hard testing, I have already tested the first batch and it has passed all the wear and strength tests so I just need to make sure none of the changes made effected anything) , if I approve it then the mold will have the final logo's and other info engraved in it, I am guessing at least a week on that, but it could be less. Then a week for them to shoot/make the parts.

So I am thinking if all goes well 6 weeks, if all goes extremely well 4 1/2 to 5 weeks. But this is purely speculation on my part.

Ship Ahoy · March 19, 2011, 00:24

Curious why and what updates are being made?

Clark · March 19, 2011, 00:56

In the past couple weeks I made a dozen and shipped 8 prototypes of this simple little part.
For 30 years I have had mechanical engineers and packaging people make drawings of my electrical designs. It looks so easy, but getting the documentation to the point that someone else can make it, turns out to be a lot of work and takes a lot of time.
And then there is the correspondence with customers, and the shipping.
None of it is complicated, it just a big hassle, like baby sitting.

What does it all mean?
Documentation for mass production is not fast or easy.

Dirt1042 · March 19, 2011, 02:51

Pretty cool. May have to check a mag out or 10

**moses** · March 19, 2011, 17:29

Minor dimension changes, like moving the front beak location by .030, changing the mag catch location tab by .015, adding two small channels in the front mag wall to allow for longer than spec bullets to feed in the mag.
Mag would have worked without these changes but this should make it reliable in slightly out of spec receivers and/or out of spec mag catches too.

The main change that had to be made was the core of the mold was undersized and had to be fixed to allow the mag to hold all 20 rounds without having to be modified by hand, this was an error that was made when the core was machined, the dimension was just incorrect, the mold company wasn't sure how they missed the dimensions but they did so they are making a new correct size core.

Ship Ahoy · March 19, 2011, 17:54

Quote:

Originally posted by moses
Minor dimension changes, like moving the front beak location by .030, changing the mag catch location tab by .015, adding two small channels in the front mag wall to allow for longer than spec bullets to feed in the mag.
Mag would have worked without these changes but this should make it reliable in slightly out of spec receivers and/or out of spec mag catches too.

The main change that had to be made was the core of the mold was undersized and had to be fixed to allow the mag to hold all 20 rounds without having to be modified by hand, this was an error that was made when the core was machined, the dimension was just incorrect, the mold company wasn't sure how they missed the dimensions but they did so they are making a new correct size core.

Thanks for the detailed answer.

**StG58Freak** · March 19, 2011, 18:01

This thread gets better everytime i check it out. I'm gonna have to start scrapin' some change together 'cause i'll be needin' some Moses Mags

John Hardin · March 19, 2011, 19:30

How are the external dimensions compared to standard FAL mags? Will they fit in standard 20-rd .308 pouches (e.g. the G3 pouches)?

Would you be willing to post a drawing with external dimensions? I'm working on making a buttstock pouch with measurements from my standard mags, and I'd like to make sure these would fit too.

tac-40 · March 19, 2011, 21:49

Quote:

How are the external dimensions compared to standard FAL mags? Will they fit in standard 20-rd .308 pouches (e.g. the G3 pouches)?

Would you be willing to post a drawing with external dimensions? I'm working on making a buttstock pouch with measurements from my standard mags, and I'd like to make sure these would fit too.

From what I have seen of them, they will fit in a standard 7.62 mag pouch. Moses told me that he tried them in the Canandian pouches and they fit with no problem and allowed the flap to be shut. The Canadian pouches I have are tighter than the US GI M-14 mags to give a a little perspective. Obviously the external specs have to be the same as a metal FAL mag since they have to fit into all of the mag wells. So you should be good to go making one using a FAL mag as guidance. The overall length is slightly longer than a FAL mag - about a quarter inch (using the Mk1 precision eyeball). The base pad is similar in shape to the inch mag floor plate. It is just slightly wider than an inch floor plate but much thicker. This gives you something substantial to grab onto when withdrawing the mag from the pouch, especially if your pouches don't have the tug straps.

**W.E.G.** · March 19, 2011, 22:40

Quote:

Originally posted by Clark

In the past couple weeks I made a dozen and shipped 8 prototypes of this simple little part.

So, is that a kaboom-a-meter???

CeeKay · March 19, 2011, 23:57

Quote:

Originally posted by Clark
What does it all mean?
Documentation for mass production is not fast or easy.

^ truth.

Also: Do you want it done fast, or do you want it done right?

AndyC · March 21, 2011, 19:14

Quote:

Originally posted by W.E.G.
So, is that a kaboom-a-meter???

A johnson shrink-o-sizer - snnnnnnnnnnnAP!

John Hardin · March 21, 2011, 19:31

Quote:

Originally posted by tac-40
From what I have seen of them, they will fit in a standard 7.62 mag pouch.

Good to hear.

Quote:

Obviously the external specs have to be the same as a metal FAL mag since they have to fit into all of the mag wells.

That only applies to the part that has to fit into the mag well...

Quote:

So you should be good to go making one using a FAL mag as guidance. The overall length is slightly longer than a FAL mag - about a quarter inch (using the Mk1 precision eyeball). The base pad is similar in shape to the inch mag floor plate. It is just slightly wider than an inch floor plate but much thicker. This gives you something substantial to grab onto when withdrawing the mag from the pouch, especially if your pouches don't have the tug straps.

Not to be snarky, but... "it's the same but slightly longer" is why I was hoping for actual dimensions.

It's a horizontal pouch so it's more sensitive to the height of the mag and the size of the base. I'll make my pattern a quarter-inch "taller". The dimensions for the lip around the base would be most welcome, as that part won't be sticking out the top of the pouch and would have to fit without binding up.

ls1impala · March 21, 2011, 19:49

I would like a 30+ round mag but I like what your doing...

**moses** · March 21, 2011, 22:11

John, sorry forgot to give you dimensions. I'll measure now and report back in a few.

Here ya go, let me know if you need anything else.

It's 6.300" from top to bottom at the rear
It's 5.800" from top to bottom at the front
Floor plate is 1.4" wide and 3.440" long
Mag body is 1.100 at it's widest and 3.165" front to back.

John Hardin · March 21, 2011, 22:47

Quote:

Originally posted by moses
John, sorry forgot to give you dimensions. I'll measure now and report back in a few.

Thanks!

ls1impala · March 22, 2011, 12:48

And for us californians why not just rivet the magazine to 10 rounds or send as parts kit so we can rivet them.

**moses** · March 22, 2011, 15:23

Can one of you Californians send me a link to where it says it's legal to send disassembled mag components to California?

Thanks!!!!

ls1impala · March 22, 2011, 19:04

Yessir here ya go http://gunwiki.net/Gunwiki/LegalCaliforniaMagazines its under the observations of ca magazine laws. If u want more links let me know I would post more but I'm on my phone thanks..

bigstick61 · March 22, 2011, 19:08

Quote:

Originally posted by moses
Can one of you Californians send me a link to where it says it's legal to send disassembled mag components to California?

Thanks!!!!

Refer to question no. 3.

http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/DOJ...2005-11-10.pdf

There are several out of state vendors that currently offer magazine parts kits for sale to California (i.e., complete disassembled magazines) along with many, many in-state vendors.

Essentially, it is legal as long as the intent of the buyer is to repair or otherwise replace parts on a existing hi-cap magazine or to use the parts to manufacture a magazine with a capacity of 10 rounds or less.

There are Californians with permits, though, for hi-cap mags in which case most or all of the restrictions do not apply.

ls1impala · March 22, 2011, 19:26

The hoffman link was the one I was looking for thanks!

VXTip · March 24, 2011, 01:46

still looking forward to these things!

that is all

**L Haney** · March 29, 2011, 18:06

Moses, you gonna' bring what you have in hand to Stimpy's match for us to ooh and ahh over even if the production models ain't in hand yet? I know that would go over big time.

Lowell

**moses** · March 29, 2011, 23:50

Yes I will definitely bringing what ever I have, hopefully I will have some for prizes!!!!

Just depends on how fast the mold company is on the revisions I am having them do on the molds.

Dopavash · March 30, 2011, 09:26

I'll be in for a few 20rnd'ers in black, plus the one in our trade.

Your wrench went out on Saturday so you should be getting it soon. Put in some extra's too. I figured you'd get good use out of them.

whirlibird · April 02, 2011, 16:39

Quote:

Originally posted by Clark

In the past couple weeks I made a dozen and shipped 8 prototypes of this simple little part.
For 30 years I have had mechanical engineers and packaging people make drawings of my electrical designs. It looks so easy, but getting the documentation to the point that someone else can make it, turns out to be a lot of work and takes a lot of time.
And then there is the correspondence with customers, and the shipping.
None of it is complicated, it just a big hassle, like baby sitting.

What does it all mean?
Documentation for mass production is not fast or easy.

That sure looks like a shell holder for a Co-Ax press.

After that, can't wait for the mags to be ready.

Tat2 · April 05, 2011, 10:30

Quote:

Originally posted by moses
Yes I will definitely bringing what ever I have, hopefully I will have some for prizes!!!!

Just depends on how fast the mold company is on the revisions I am having them do on the molds.

Any thoughts on spreading the wealth to Files members at first?
Not sure how many you are making at first... so say a couple each
to guys here to play with first??

T

**moses** · April 05, 2011, 19:38

I plan on doing at least 2000 the first run so should have plenty for everyone.
I will be selling them here first so Falfile members will have first shot at them.

Redneck Rob · April 05, 2011, 20:20

How much each ????

**moses** · April 05, 2011, 20:52

They will be $23.99 per mag

Bull915 · April 06, 2011, 09:45

I'm in for 5 ODs to start, and a pile of the anti tilt followers whenever they get done (they are still in the works, right?). Great job on this, and thanks for all the hard work. What a contribution to the FAL community.

Horse · April 06, 2011, 12:47

I'm not sure how I missed this thread - but I'm down for at least 5

Robidouxs · April 06, 2011, 13:07

Can you make 10 round magazines for us living in ban states and for hunting purposes? I know that you can corner the CA market because no one is supplying the state with CA-legal 10 round magazines. DSA is out until summer.

IRONWORKER · April 06, 2011, 13:08

I'm in for 4 of em' Johnny, please PM me when you need the $cash$

Thanks!
Jon

Tat2 · April 06, 2011, 13:33

Quote:

Originally posted by moses
I plan on doing at least 2000 the first run so should have plenty for everyone.
I will be selling them here first so Falfile members will have first shot at them.

Outstanding!! Let us know when to send cash

T

Robidouxs · April 06, 2011, 14:21

I will take 2 to start. When will these be released?

Looking for 10 rounders so I don't have to do any mods (I am in CA).

Jpanzer · April 06, 2011, 14:47

Hmmm, think I just raised my initial buy from 2 to 4. Bring 'em on!!!!

**moses** · April 06, 2011, 17:24

Molders are finishing up on the revisions to the mold I had them make, then I will be testing them.

When I give final approval they will start mass production.

Should be doing at least 2000 the first run, if demand seems higher I will do more.

Subsequent runs should only take a few weeks if needed.

I am estimating 2 months until they are for sale but I am hoping it will be sooner............ Much sooner!

At this time I am concentrating on getting the 20 rd mag out, after that I will see what I can do to make Cali legal mags.

And yes still planning on doing the anti tilt follower for the OEM steel and aluminum (indium) mags.

Thanks for your interest!

View Poll Results: How many polymer US made FAL mags would you buy?
I would buy one	31	4.44%
I would buy two	122	17.48%
I would buy five	300	42.98%
I would buy ten	245	35.10%
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March 17, 2011, 16:56	#521
cavegeo Senior Member Contributor FALaholic #: 11441 Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Central Florida Posts: 911	I too have been following this thread. Great work Moses. I will be purchasing some OD Green ones once they are on the market. __________________ The whole point of being governed by a Constitution and not by men or directly by the people themselves was to stop incredible stupidity from annihilating our Freedoms. Tyranny of the majority is just as dangerous as any dictator. Especially when the majority is incredibly ******* stupid.

March 18, 2011, 00:39	#522
RT Registered FALaholic #: 9330 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 4,182	Moses how long before they are ready for sale? thanks ~RT __________________ ~RT

March 18, 2011, 13:51	#523
moses One of the original 400 Contributor FALaholic #: 392 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: charlotte nc usa Posts: 5,947	Not sure on the exact date. Guessing I would think I will have the updated prototype in 2 to 3 weeks and then I'll test it (at least another week of hard testing, I have already tested the first batch and it has passed all the wear and strength tests so I just need to make sure none of the changes made effected anything) , if I approve it then the mold will have the final logo's and other info engraved in it, I am guessing at least a week on that, but it could be less. Then a week for them to shoot/make the parts. So I am thinking if all goes well 6 weeks, if all goes extremely well 4 1/2 to 5 weeks. But this is purely speculation on my part. __________________ . My PM box is usually full although I try to keep it less than full, it's a never ending battle so please email me if at all possible. Military rifle steel plate match schedule for 2016, April 9th, June 11th, Sept. 10th & Nov. 12th Best Drop 8 time "8.47" 8 for 8 FAL/STG 7.62X51

March 19, 2011, 00:24	#524
Ship Ahoy Registered FALaholic #: 14283 Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pittsburgh, Pa Posts: 80	Curious why and what updates are being made? __________________ "You won't rise to the occasion - you'll default to your level of training." Barrett Tillman

March 19, 2011, 00:56	#525
Clark Registered FALaholic #: 1213 Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 753	In the past couple weeks I made a dozen and shipped 8 prototypes of this simple little part. For 30 years I have had mechanical engineers and packaging people make drawings of my electrical designs. It looks so easy, but getting the documentation to the point that someone else can make it, turns out to be a lot of work and takes a lot of time. And then there is the correspondence with customers, and the shipping. None of it is complicated, it just a big hassle, like baby sitting. What does it all mean? Documentation for mass production is not fast or easy. __________________ No technical content or wit in your rude post... no response from me....I'll give the last word to a turd.

March 19, 2011, 02:51	#526
Dirt1042 Registered FALaholic #: 21859 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Montana Posts: 4,276	Pretty cool. May have to check a mag out or 10 __________________ ORO Y PLATA! ~Pain By Steel Rain~ R 5/10 2nd Mar Div

March 19, 2011, 17:29	#527
moses One of the original 400 Contributor FALaholic #: 392 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: charlotte nc usa Posts: 5,947	Minor dimension changes, like moving the front beak location by .030, changing the mag catch location tab by .015, adding two small channels in the front mag wall to allow for longer than spec bullets to feed in the mag. Mag would have worked without these changes but this should make it reliable in slightly out of spec receivers and/or out of spec mag catches too. The main change that had to be made was the core of the mold was undersized and had to be fixed to allow the mag to hold all 20 rounds without having to be modified by hand, this was an error that was made when the core was machined, the dimension was just incorrect, the mold company wasn't sure how they missed the dimensions but they did so they are making a new correct size core. __________________ . My PM box is usually full although I try to keep it less than full, it's a never ending battle so please email me if at all possible. Military rifle steel plate match schedule for 2016, April 9th, June 11th, Sept. 10th & Nov. 12th Best Drop 8 time "8.47" 8 for 8 FAL/STG 7.62X51

March 19, 2011, 18:01	#529
StG58Freak banned Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 21043 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Behind You. Posts: 2,300	This thread gets better everytime i check it out. I'm gonna have to start scrapin' some change together 'cause i'll be needin' some Moses Mags

March 19, 2011, 19:30	#530
John Hardin Registered FALaholic #: 11174 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Western Washington Posts: 165	How are the external dimensions compared to standard FAL mags? Will they fit in standard 20-rd .308 pouches (e.g. the G3 pouches)? Would you be willing to post a drawing with external dimensions? I'm working on making a buttstock pouch with measurements from my standard mags, and I'd like to make sure these would fit too. __________________ Oh, give me a home Where the FAL rifles roam And the hoplophobes don't have a say... -------- NRA Life Member since 1982

March 21, 2011, 19:49	#536
ls1impala Registered FALaholic #: 51379 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: 909 Posts: 20	I would like a 30+ round mag but I like what your doing... Last edited by ls1impala; March 21, 2011 at 20:55.

March 21, 2011, 22:11	#537
moses One of the original 400 Contributor FALaholic #: 392 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: charlotte nc usa Posts: 5,947	John, sorry forgot to give you dimensions. I'll measure now and report back in a few. Here ya go, let me know if you need anything else. It's 6.300" from top to bottom at the rear It's 5.800" from top to bottom at the front Floor plate is 1.4" wide and 3.440" long Mag body is 1.100 at it's widest and 3.165" front to back. __________________ . My PM box is usually full although I try to keep it less than full, it's a never ending battle so please email me if at all possible. Military rifle steel plate match schedule for 2016, April 9th, June 11th, Sept. 10th & Nov. 12th Best Drop 8 time "8.47" 8 for 8 FAL/STG 7.62X51 Last edited by moses; March 21, 2011 at 22:45.

March 22, 2011, 12:48	#539
ls1impala Registered FALaholic #: 51379 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: 909 Posts: 20	And for us californians why not just rivet the magazine to 10 rounds or send as parts kit so we can rivet them.

March 22, 2011, 15:23	#540
moses One of the original 400 Contributor FALaholic #: 392 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: charlotte nc usa Posts: 5,947	Can one of you Californians send me a link to where it says it's legal to send disassembled mag components to California? Thanks!!!! __________________ . My PM box is usually full although I try to keep it less than full, it's a never ending battle so please email me if at all possible. Military rifle steel plate match schedule for 2016, April 9th, June 11th, Sept. 10th & Nov. 12th Best Drop 8 time "8.47" 8 for 8 FAL/STG 7.62X51

March 22, 2011, 19:04	#541
ls1impala Registered FALaholic #: 51379 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: 909 Posts: 20	Yessir here ya go http://gunwiki.net/Gunwiki/LegalCaliforniaMagazines its under the observations of ca magazine laws. If u want more links let me know I would post more but I'm on my phone thanks..

March 22, 2011, 19:26	#543
ls1impala Registered FALaholic #: 51379 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: 909 Posts: 20	The hoffman link was the one I was looking for thanks!

March 24, 2011, 01:46	#544
VXTip Registered FALaholic #: 54560 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 77	still looking forward to these things! that is all

March 29, 2011, 18:06	#545
L Haney Seriously Ponderin' Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 20446 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: NW Ga Posts: 14,927	Moses, you gonna' bring what you have in hand to Stimpy's match for us to ooh and ahh over even if the production models ain't in hand yet? I know that would go over big time. Lowell __________________ Bubbagump: "When you leave a merit-based system behind do not be surprised when what you end up with is without merit."

March 29, 2011, 23:50	#546
moses One of the original 400 Contributor FALaholic #: 392 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: charlotte nc usa Posts: 5,947	Yes I will definitely bringing what ever I have, hopefully I will have some for prizes!!!! Just depends on how fast the mold company is on the revisions I am having them do on the molds. __________________ . My PM box is usually full although I try to keep it less than full, it's a never ending battle so please email me if at all possible. Military rifle steel plate match schedule for 2016, April 9th, June 11th, Sept. 10th & Nov. 12th Best Drop 8 time "8.47" 8 for 8 FAL/STG 7.62X51

March 30, 2011, 09:26	#547
Dopavash Registered FALaholic #: 44433 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: North Central Texas Posts: 988	I'll be in for a few 20rnd'ers in black, plus the one in our trade. Your wrench went out on Saturday so you should be getting it soon. Put in some extra's too. I figured you'd get good use out of them.

April 05, 2011, 19:38	#550
moses One of the original 400 Contributor FALaholic #: 392 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: charlotte nc usa Posts: 5,947	I plan on doing at least 2000 the first run so should have plenty for everyone. I will be selling them here first so Falfile members will have first shot at them. __________________ . My PM box is usually full although I try to keep it less than full, it's a never ending battle so please email me if at all possible. Military rifle steel plate match schedule for 2016, April 9th, June 11th, Sept. 10th & Nov. 12th Best Drop 8 time "8.47" 8 for 8 FAL/STG 7.62X51

April 05, 2011, 20:20	#551
Redneck Rob Registered FALaholic #: 21238 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Meridian, Mississippi Posts: 242	How much each ????

April 05, 2011, 20:52	#552
moses One of the original 400 Contributor FALaholic #: 392 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: charlotte nc usa Posts: 5,947	They will be $23.99 per mag __________________ . My PM box is usually full although I try to keep it less than full, it's a never ending battle so please email me if at all possible. Military rifle steel plate match schedule for 2016, April 9th, June 11th, Sept. 10th & Nov. 12th Best Drop 8 time "8.47" 8 for 8 FAL/STG 7.62X51

April 06, 2011, 09:45	#553
Bull915 Registered FALaholic #: 52424 Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: VA Posts: 118	I'm in!! I'm in for 5 ODs to start, and a pile of the anti tilt followers whenever they get done (they are still in the works, right?). Great job on this, and thanks for all the hard work. What a contribution to the FAL community.

April 06, 2011, 12:47	#554
Horse Registered FALaholic #: 32181 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Davis County Utah Posts: 3	I'm not sure how I missed this thread - but I'm down for at least 5

April 06, 2011, 13:07	#555
Robidouxs Registered FALaholic #: 61789 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 80	Can you make 10 round magazines for us living in ban states and for hunting purposes? I know that you can corner the CA market because no one is supplying the state with CA-legal 10 round magazines. DSA is out until summer. Last edited by Robidouxs; April 06, 2011 at 13:21.

April 06, 2011, 13:08	#556
IRONWORKER Registered FALaholic #: 48581 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Millspring NC Posts: 2,781	I'm in for 4 of em' Johnny, please PM me when you need the $cash$ Thanks! Jon

April 06, 2011, 14:21	#558
Robidouxs Registered FALaholic #: 61789 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 80	I will take 2 to start. When will these be released? Looking for 10 rounders so I don't have to do any mods (I am in CA).

April 06, 2011, 14:47	#559
Jpanzer Registered FALaholic #: 53708 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Georgia, C.S.A. Posts: 615	Hmmm, think I just raised my initial buy from 2 to 4. Bring 'em on!!!!

April 06, 2011, 17:24	#560
moses One of the original 400 Contributor FALaholic #: 392 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: charlotte nc usa Posts: 5,947	Molders are finishing up on the revisions to the mold I had them make, then I will be testing them. When I give final approval they will start mass production. Should be doing at least 2000 the first run, if demand seems higher I will do more. Subsequent runs should only take a few weeks if needed. I am estimating 2 months until they are for sale but I am hoping it will be sooner............ Much sooner! At this time I am concentrating on getting the 20 rd mag out, after that I will see what I can do to make Cali legal mags. And yes still planning on doing the anti tilt follower for the OEM steel and aluminum (indium) mags. Thanks for your interest! __________________ . My PM box is usually full although I try to keep it less than full, it's a never ending battle so please email me if at all possible. Military rifle steel plate match schedule for 2016, April 9th, June 11th, Sept. 10th & Nov. 12th Best Drop 8 time "8.47" 8 for 8 FAL/STG 7.62X51

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