What's wrong with this picture?

**308/223shooter** · March 20, 2010, 11:58

Check out Auction Arms listing number 9614910. I think someone's been smoking something.

newton3407 · March 20, 2010, 13:05

Under a grand, that's a steal! It could go for twice that price.

**4markk** · March 20, 2010, 13:08

I'm going to see if he is close by to me. If so, I want to take a look at what he has.

**aezcur** · March 20, 2010, 13:48

Quote:

Originally posted by 308/223shooter
Check out Auction Arms listing number 9614910. I think someone's been smoking something.

Hi,
1K$ is the starting price but it has a reserve...so it could go who knows where,.....when you say ''what's wrong with this pic'' what do you mean by that? I'm no expert and the only ''different'' thing I can find is the inch selector in a Belgium FAL.....is there any other thing wrong in the configuration of this FAL that I can not see and is obvious?

**Mark IV** · March 20, 2010, 13:51

Guys, that $999 is only the opening bid, which means the reserve price is probably several thousand dollars higher.

And since it's Pre-May, anyone in a class III state can own it.

**308/223shooter** · March 20, 2010, 15:53

Aside from the type one upper and selector, I thought it odd that it has what appears to be an L1A1 flash suppresor. Looks like it's timed 180 off as well.
I really doubt this left FN in this configuration, but hey, I've seen some right odd looking FALs.

**DakTo** · March 20, 2010, 16:22

Yes, the 25 prefix and .308 MATCH as a semi-auto import and the last word on the right side: HERSTAL but not folllowed by BELGIQUE.

This may be an early international sales sample with the Type 1 receiver and the vertical locking latch.
The L2A1 selector is likely a replacement.

mills41 · March 20, 2010, 20:38

I find it hard to believe that it is a pre 1986 dealer sample.Pre 1986 dealer samples were original machineguns imported as select fire guns for sales samples by dealers.This rifle started life as a type three semi auto and the receiver was remachined into type one configuration.Hints of the type three origin are the serial number 2,50X,XXX,the words on the left side .308 match along with the importer markings on the right side.Also if you look closely at the lightening cuts on the left side near the hinge pin area you can see the original slope of the type three profile that would extend to the barrel area.Also you can see the original type three profile on the right side forward portion of the receiver by the barrel.
I think it being a pre 1986 dealer sample is not likely.It could be a pre 1986 transferable conversion remachined to look like a type one receiver would be more likely although at this low price why hasn't it sold in over a year of being offered for sale?I have another theory but I will keep it to myself,mills41.

**Mark IV** · March 22, 2010, 10:06

Quote:

Originally posted by limeyinaz

Not true (and the seller states as much).

Only a Class III dealer can own that.

Weird that it has a Type I upper receiver on it (with a 250 prefixed serial number). Has other odd features also.

I stand corrected by someone much more knowledgeable than I.

"Whoso loveth correction, loveth knowledge."

**Artty62** · March 22, 2010, 10:52

Quote:

Originally posted by limeyinaz

Not true (and the seller states as much).

Only a Class III dealer can own that.

Weird that it has a Type I upper receiver on it (with a 250 prefixed serial number). Has other odd features also.

It can go to a Class 3 for inventory or 02/07 SOT as a keeper.

Artty

Norman · March 23, 2010, 08:54

Quote: "Aside from the type one upper and selector, I thought it odd that it has what appears to be an L1A1 flash suppresor. Looks like it's timed 180 off as well."

Why do you say it is off 180 off in timing? It is the same orientation as my Belgians, the key cut is on the top of the barrel, bayonet lug on the bottom. What differentiates a L1 flash hider from the long Belgian?
Regards, Barry

denny · March 23, 2010, 09:30

Thats a Browning style long Match Flash Hider.The position is correct - the lug on it's bottom is for the B bayonet . ( A $650.00 item itself. )
Take a look in Blake Stevens book.
Denny

**308/223shooter** · March 23, 2010, 22:34

Quote:

Originally posted by denny
Thats a Browning style long Match Flash Hider.The position is correct - the lug on it's bottom is for the B bayonet . ( A $650.00 item itself. )
Take a look in Blake Stevens book.
Denny

I was not aware of this fact. It looks like an up-side down L1A1 to me.
If I could get my hands on Blakes book I'd bloody well own one. But every time I see one listed for a good price, I'm either broke or it's LONG gone by the time I see the for sale post.

Anyone have his book for a cheap price?

**aezcur** · March 23, 2010, 22:42

The FAL Rifle: Blake Stevens book.....

You can buy it from Gunbroker at $135

not cheap!

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=161850712

or from Brad at gunthings at $92 (I bought mine from him)

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...hreadid=222034

DSA has that book in stock now too.....around the same price but the shipping will kill you....

March 20, 2010, 11:58	#1
308/223shooter Airborne Combat Engineer Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 15405 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: pacific northwest Posts: 2,285	What's wrong with this picture? Check out Auction Arms listing number 9614910. I think someone's been smoking something. __________________ "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition."A very old song my dad used to sing. If good fences make good neighbors, I need the bloody Berlin Wall. Attornies are like hookers.You sometimes spend lots of cash on them,till you find one who's really good.

March 20, 2010, 13:08	#3
4markk Military Observer Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 31134 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 2,275	I'm going to see if he is close by to me. If so, I want to take a look at what he has. __________________ ` ` The difference between the possible and the impossible is only in the degree of a man's will. Chinese Proverb “The worst thing about growing old is that other men stop seeing you as dangerous.” Act Of Valor

March 20, 2010, 15:53	#6
308/223shooter Airborne Combat Engineer Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 15405 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: pacific northwest Posts: 2,285	Aside from the type one upper and selector, I thought it odd that it has what appears to be an L1A1 flash suppresor. Looks like it's timed 180 off as well. I really doubt this left FN in this configuration, but hey, I've seen some right odd looking FALs. __________________ "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition."A very old song my dad used to sing. If good fences make good neighbors, I need the bloody Berlin Wall. Attornies are like hookers.You sometimes spend lots of cash on them,till you find one who's really good.

March 20, 2010, 16:22	#7
DakTo MadMinuteDude Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 9689 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: The Constitution State Posts: 5,430	Yes, the 25 prefix and .308 MATCH as a semi-auto import and the last word on the right side: HERSTAL but not folllowed by BELGIQUE. This may be an early international sales sample with the Type 1 receiver and the vertical locking latch. The L2A1 selector is likely a replacement. __________________ Never Take A Pistol To A Gun Fight!

March 23, 2010, 09:30	#12
denny Registered FALaholic #: 24566 Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 2,870	FH Thats a Browning style long Match Flash Hider.The position is correct - the lug on it's bottom is for the B bayonet . ( A $650.00 item itself. ) Take a look in Blake Stevens book. Denny

March 20, 2010, 13:05	#2
newton3407 banned FALaholic #: 39436 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: mw Indiana Posts: 407	Under a grand, that's a steal! It could go for twice that price.

March 20, 2010, 13:51	#5
Mark IV Curio & Relic Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 50937 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,962	Guys, that $999 is only the opening bid, which means the reserve price is probably several thousand dollars higher. And since it's Pre-May, anyone in a class III state can own it.

March 20, 2010, 20:38	#8
mills41 Registered FALaholic #: 16208 Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 383	I find it hard to believe that it is a pre 1986 dealer sample.Pre 1986 dealer samples were original machineguns imported as select fire guns for sales samples by dealers.This rifle started life as a type three semi auto and the receiver was remachined into type one configuration.Hints of the type three origin are the serial number 2,50X,XXX,the words on the left side .308 match along with the importer markings on the right side.Also if you look closely at the lightening cuts on the left side near the hinge pin area you can see the original slope of the type three profile that would extend to the barrel area.Also you can see the original type three profile on the right side forward portion of the receiver by the barrel. I think it being a pre 1986 dealer sample is not likely.It could be a pre 1986 transferable conversion remachined to look like a type one receiver would be more likely although at this low price why hasn't it sold in over a year of being offered for sale?I have another theory but I will keep it to myself,mills41.

March 23, 2010, 08:54	#11
Norman Registered FALaholic #: 27194 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 38	Quote: "Aside from the type one upper and selector, I thought it odd that it has what appears to be an L1A1 flash suppresor. Looks like it's timed 180 off as well." Why do you say it is off 180 off in timing? It is the same orientation as my Belgians, the key cut is on the top of the barrel, bayonet lug on the bottom. What differentiates a L1 flash hider from the long Belgian? Regards, Barry

March 23, 2010, 22:42	#14
aezcur El Argentino Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 49232 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: WA, USA Posts: 2,431	The FAL Rifle: Blake Stevens book..... You can buy it from Gunbroker at $135 not cheap! http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=161850712 or from Brad at gunthings at $92 (I bought mine from him) http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...hreadid=222034 DSA has that book in stock now too.....around the same price but the shipping will kill you.... __________________ AEZCUR Mi Buenos Aires querido........

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