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December 10, 2009, 13:56
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8mm Kurz FAL
Has anyone built, or considered building an 8mm Kurz FAL? What kind of modifications? How feasible?
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December 10, 2009, 14:23
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umm stimpy built a 8mm fal, and i mean 8mm not kurz
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December 10, 2009, 15:35
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I would think this would only be possible with a DSA reciever (due to it's ability to absorb the extra PSI of the round, and even at that a Type II in order to prevent cracking from the more violent recoil as compared with .308. Also, what about the mag? Would it fit, or are you dead in the water right from the offset because of the length of the 8mm Round. I think you would be actually? Still it would be neat to see done.
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December 10, 2009, 15:35
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an 8mm Kurtz FAL would be pretty intersting, but also pretty expensive to shoot. Can't weigh in on the feasibility of building it but I have heard of some people fooling around with the idea of a 7.62x39 FAL type rifle.
Here is a pic of the 8mm Mauser FAL: 
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December 10, 2009, 15:37
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Where is my mind? I thought he was saying German 8mm, not Kurtz. Sorry. Pic is broken btw.
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December 10, 2009, 16:09
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Yeah, an 8mm Kurz FAL. I have little knowledge of the FAL platform, except knowing that I want one.
 I had read some about the rifle, and I'm just intrigued about the possibility of what the rifle would be like in its original incarnation, I guess akin to the .276 Garand, original AR-10, etc. I imagine you could get pretty creative with obtaining or modifying a barrel to work (for the life of me though, who on earth has a chamber reamer for 8mm Kurz), but outside of that, I'm genuinely clueless.  Ask me about a Garand though...
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December 10, 2009, 16:26
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sounds really interesting and could get cool factor points
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December 10, 2009, 17:15
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44 It would not be very hard to build a FAL to use this round, as it's lower powered than the 7,62 NATO, and shorter too. In fact, I believe I recall reading that the very first of the FAL prototypes may have been designed to use this round. I'm not sure why anyone would want to do this today however, as there are many superior intermediate cartridges available. Last edited by Falfegnügen; December 11, 2009 at 12:41. |
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December 10, 2009, 17:16
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BTW, regarding longer cartridges in the FAL (not the 8mm Kurz), there were two original Belgian FN designed FAL's that could take a longer cartridge than the 7.62 NATO. They were prototypes built for Sweden in 6.5 x 55mm Swedish, and for Switzerland in 7.5mm x 55mm Swiss. There are examples of each in museums, and both have been discussed here on the Files, at the Swedish version is in Blake Steven's book. Both required lengthened receivers, bolts, carriers, magazines and associated components due to the significantly longer OAL of the Swiss and Swedish cartridges.
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December 10, 2009, 17:37
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That's a loooooooooong FN! Man, one of those might take two guys to aim it!
  
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December 10, 2009, 19:16
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Sorry about the broken pic link
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December 10, 2009, 19:23
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Wasn't the FAL originally designed around the 8mm Kurz ?
Also, didn't Meeper build a 7.62 x 39 FAL ? |
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December 10, 2009, 20:31
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I have a hard enough time feeding this 8mm Kurtz!
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December 10, 2009, 21:05
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AIM Surplus had Prvi 124gr 8mm Kurz ammo, but they are now sold out. $10.50 for a box of 20 unless you buy 10 or more boxes, then prices dropped to $10.25 a box.
At least that ammo was reloadable and used Boxer primers.
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I have thought about doing the very same thing (8 mm kurz) just to duplicate the original. This would not be for economical reasons, or for any reason, for that matter. Just as a "cool factor". I also thought about the original British as well, but oh well, maybe another day. By the way, I actually held the 7.62 X 39 FAL at Knob Creek a few years back. It was sold to another individual while I was standing there. If I remember correctly, it sold for about $3,000.00, give or take. I also think it had a small spacer for the shorter rounds as well. Kinda' neat, though.
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I believe Meeper did but unfortunately he no longer does. |
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December 11, 2009, 12:46
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December 11, 2009, 16:08
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That's a beauty. Is that a real honest to goodness Sturmgewehr. That's one of the guns on my "Haven't shot it but gotta try it someday" list.
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December 11, 2009, 23:24
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MP43 was my first full auto experience, and it was a good one.
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My first full auto experience was an M3A1 and like yours that experience was good. 
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According to Blake Stevens' book, The FAL Rifle, the FAL was originally designed to use the 7.92 x 33 Kurtz cartridge, but various NATO countries (mainly the US and Britain) didn't want the 7.92 x 33. The Brits wanted it in .280, and the
US wanted it in 7.62 x 51. But there were some early ones that were chambered for 7.92 x 33. I don't know if any of them are still around or not. And one interesting note is that about 3 years ago, Hornady was selling 7.92 x 33 commercial ammo. I don't know if they're still producing it or not, but it surprised the heck out of me when I saw it, because I don't know of any other guns ever chambered for it besides the MP-43 and Stg-44. Well, ok, and the original FALs that were never put into production that were 7.92 x 33.
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Saw a parts kit for 800 last month at a fun show. Didn't have the cash so bought a L1a1 w/ orig barrel for 300 instead.
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