Identity of FAL?¿

[LaConservationist]

OK GU-RU's, what is this? All I know is it's a Imbel Gear LOGO and yeah Ray Charles can see that, I know it is a Bi-Pod cut un threaded barrel and HG's.

Is there anything special about this rifle from what you can see?
Any info would be helpful. THANKS GUYS!!

[RPBII]

It could be an STG kit.

[308/223shooter]

Looks like the typical neutard barrel frankenfal. It does have a good receiver, and looks like the parts kit is all metric. Do the numbers on the lower, bolt and carrier match? That'd be a plus. Out of my inane curiosity, how much did you give for it? And does it shoot well?

[crsswift70]

Looks like a Steyr lower. Theres a "C" on the trigger.. think that's Century (USA).

[brownknees]

If the handguard is plastic it looks like something Century built. But I didn't think they had GL Imbels, only non-GL?
The buttstock & pistol grip look like a Century as well.
S-E-D on the selector is new to me, maybe that's a clue as to the lower's origin? My Imbel lower & my South African are both marked S-R-A.

[crsswift70]

I would agree except for the PAC receiver.

[J. Armstrong]

The lower is a G1.

Mag foul

[brownknees]

Maybe someone re-built a Century by swapping in a new upper end?

[crsswift70]

I'm betting it was a Century build that someone swapped out the receiver on. Must have had a crappy one, but now has a good one Got any barrel markings?

[brownknees]

Originally posted by J. Armstrong
The lower is a G1.

Mag foul

Edumacate me, please
G1 being German, the "S-E-D" selector markings stand for?

[crsswift70]

Originally posted by J. Armstrong
No, the SED selector markings are unique to G1 and STG lowers.

From another thread.

Hmm... “E� or “1� position – single fire mode ("Einzelfeuer"), “F� or “20� – automatic fire ("Feuerstoß"), “S� or “0� – weapon is safe ("Sicher")

Is it that last character? ß Instead of a D? S E ß

[LaConservationist]

HG's are metal, I also know that, the barrel may have been neutered but at least it was crowned
NO other specifics as of yet. This rifle actually belongs to a friend of my uncles, he wants to sell it. I had my uncle take the pics and send them to me.
I am considering buying it I am just trying to find out more about it. The guy says he and his brotherinlaw bought this one and 4 others just like it in 1999. This one has not been fired by him and he does NOT have a clue what he has.
HE doesn't know if it has 1,2 or 7 US parts, didn't even know what a GL recevier was.

I guess I am in a spot that I am not sure if I should buy it or not. I will not be able to get my hands on it for a few more weeks.

I may try and walk my uncle thru and remove a few parts and also looking for some matching numbers and US stamps just out of curisoity.

[crsswift70]

Well, assuming the bolt/carrier and rifling are all good, i think you could sell it for about $800. Looking at gunbroker, maybe a little higher. I know that gear logo adds a little.

[biyf]

Looks like an STG-58 kit minus bipods and with a cut barrel to me. My STG lower looks identical to that one.

Then again, I've been awake for 22 hours so I could be wrong.

[J. Armstrong]

I'm guessing G1 lower or maybe an early FN made STG only because the s/n uses characters with a serif ( kinda like little tails ) on it which I think is indicative of Herstal production - IIRC, Steyr uses plain block numerals. Can't see the little relief cut in front of the sight well enough, or that would help tell one way or another as well.

Is/are the bore/chamber chrome ? Any s/ns or markings on the barrel or bolt and carrier ? B&C s/n s match the lower ?

[Ron Walker]

I know I wouldn't be unhappy to have it. Ron

[GRUMPY]

S= Sicher or Sicherheit - Safe or Safe condition

E= Einzelfeuer - Single fire (semi)

D= Dauerfeuer - Multi fire (auto)

[crsswift70]

AHA! Thanks!

[LaConservationist]

Well after reading all the possiblities I am thinking I may go ahead a buy this rifle. No matter what the frankenFAL parts this thing is actually made of just the receiver alone is worth the asking price.
I think I will buy it, remove the receiver and then sell the remaining parts as someone needs or request them. THANKS GUYS!!

[crsswift70]

I'd definitely buy it at a good price. It's all metric and not mixed up like plenty i've seen. I'm guessing they are asking in the $450 range? It would be a steal at that price.

[bykerhd]

Century did build some STGs on Gear Logo Imbels. I've seen and handled one. Didn't get to shoot it though.
I don't remember if the barrel was neutered or not.

[crsswift70]

Yeah, but this gear logo'd rec. has Pacific Arms stamped on it. That's why it is a little odd.

[LaConservationist]

Originally posted by crsswift70
I'd definitely buy it at a good price. It's all metric and not mixed up like plenty i've seen. I'm guessing they are asking in the $450 range? It would be a steal at that price.

Well it isn't a STEAL! Man had it been listed for that price, I would have not had time to take pics or post! UMMMM is it still 2009 or did I sleep thru the SHTF?

[EX1]

Hello very early on Century did build STGs in that exact config. I had one that was all matching # STG kit, threads removed on the bbl and no bipod and it had a PAC gear logo receiver they called them the centurion 58. Thanks EX1

[Radio]

From what I can see, the pictures not being excellent (Aziz! LIGHT!!) but better than nothing, is an StG kit on a PAC gear-logo IMBEL. Barrel has been neutered but is bipod cut which would be consistent with either G1 or StG; however, look at the rear sight line. Lower thus appears to be StG with a standard Metric plastic furniture set screwed on. That's two parts; the "C" on the trigger hints at a Century h/t/s, and I'd bet there's one more compliance part somewhere to meet 922r.

Century MAY have assembled this rifle but it would be VERY early production as the vast majority in this era were on non-GL receivers they imported themselves and certainly not PAC.

--Radio

[LaConservationist]

So would you think this would be a decent buy for under $600?
I was even thinking worse case the receiver would be worth about $450 with todays prices and a good foundation for a STG or izzy clone build, and then the rest could be decent spare parts.?

[Radio]

Dude, it is a STEAL at that price. I hope you feel sufficiently guilty for the crime you are committing.

--Radio

[saltshaker]

I have exactly the same rifle. I paid a few bills more but the sale included mags and about 200 rounds of nato....I am pleased with the build and function of the PAC-Century I own. Yes, I have changed the configuration some and wish to do more...My gas tube is the soldered short version and i think that I will exchange the barrel and gas assem. at the same time .....
I am new to the forum and new to the FAL battle rifle...In the Navy I was a Bo sun's Mate 2nd class....I was given a m-14 in 308 for use in underway replenishment as a line launcher and for use during certain security details... I was concidering a M1A at first but now am glad that I choose the Fal......Get the rifle......IMO you will be pleased.....Plus the group here in the files are a great lot of help with any and all phases of owner/op questions. Good luck!.......Larry

[bykerhd]

Why do you want to change out the barrel saltshaker ?
Is it an issue like lack of accuracy or pitting ? Or, you wish a different contour ?
The barrels like you have are easily and inexpensively(relatively) cut to length and the muzzles recrowned and threaded. If you wish a different length or want to add a muzzle device.

The short gas tube systems are normally very reliable.
At least as much as the long tube versions in my limited experience.

Even going for a heavier contour barrel may not do much to increase the rifle's accuracy. There have been many threads about FALs' accuracy and sometimes lack of.
The couple key things to remember being FALs were designed as battle rifles. The design has some limitations built in which make tweaking them often an exercise in futility. They are what they are and some shoot better than others. You may, or may not have much success in making one shoot as well as an M1A. But, you can sure dump a lot of money trying.
There are tons of posts from folks who have tried that route with varying degrees of success and frustration. A search can usually dredge up some entertaining, and even occasionally informative, reading.

[Radio]

Even neutered, that is still a Steyr hammer-forged barrel.

Once imported freely by the thousands, it is today a valued endangered species.

--Radio

[LaConservationist]

Newest family member!

Thanks guys! AS ALWAYS you guys kick AZZ!!

[fal fiend]

they called them the centurion 58. +1. i remember seeing these at shows etc.

[richbug]

Originally posted by EX1
Hello very early on Century did build STGs in that exact config. I had one that was all matching # STG kit, threads removed on the bbl and no bipod and it had a PAC gear logo receiver they called them the centurion 58. Thanks EX1

Same here. Good rifle except for a poor crown.

[concretus]

I have one similar to yours but it has a Hesse receiver. It has "Centurion" stamped on the barrel. It's accurate, handles great, and haven't had any kind of issues considering what the concensus is about Hesse receivers. The guy I got it from never shot it, the barrel was as shiney and sharp rifling. Yes the barrel was cut but I'm going to put a Stoll F/H on it and trade the plastic furniture for wood. Good luck with it!!