ATF terminology

richardrose67 · March 14, 2009, 13:17

Hi again, In the 20 parts listed by the ATF, I see 4 which I don't believe are on a FAL, barrel extension,trunnions,op rod and disconnecter? Or is the AFT twisting word meanings around? Please don't tell me they call a charging handle an op rod.
Best regards,
Rich

**garyd1961** · March 14, 2009, 13:26

The fal only has 17 of the 20 that is why you only need 7 us parts if you use a muzzel device 6 if you dont use a muzzel device. I do believe they consider the charging handle the same as an operating rod. garyd1961

USMC 0341 · March 14, 2009, 19:54

Quote:

Originally posted by garyd1961
I do believe they consider the charging handle the same as an operating rod.

This is correct.

That is to say that the BATFE considers the FAL's charging handle to be an "operating rod".

Proof again that the BATFE exists in some alternate reality from the rest of mankind.

Hanover Phist · March 14, 2009, 20:51

This might help. FAL Rules in pdf Format

AKsrule · March 15, 2009, 13:57

Quote:

Originally posted by richardrose67
Hi again, In the 20 parts listed by the ATF, I see 4 which I don't believe are on a FAL, barrel extension,trunnions,op rod and disconnecter? Or is the AFT twisting word meanings around? Please don't tell me they call a charging handle an op rod.
Best regards,
Rich

The OFFICIAL ATF List applies to ALL Rifles.

( AK, SKS etc. )

switchblade7.62x51 · March 15, 2009, 14:19

First off, to all agencies, state and federal, Molon Labe!

The ATF cannot use Operating Rod to mean Charging Handle as they have already used the term operaating rod, and not gas piston to meant the operating rod of both the Garand and the M14. In other words, they have set precedent with those terms during the 60's, long before Georgie's little ban.

Secondly, any and all infringements to the Second Ammendment, or for that matter the entire Bill of Rights is negated by the wording found in the 14th Ammendment, or, '...No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States...' This wording negates any and all state bans that infringe upon the Bill f Rights. Taking it a step further, this precludes any and all governmental infringements to same as 'citizens of the United States' means any and all of us.

Just my crooked way of reading things, but I do tend to read quite literally as the words are indeed written, not interpret my own meaning into them.

**2barearms** · March 15, 2009, 15:25

Quote:

Originally posted by switchblade7.62x51
First off, to all agencies, state and federal, Molon Labe!

The ATF cannot use Operating Rod to mean Charging Handle as they have already used the term operaating rod, and not gas piston to meant the operating rod of both the Garand and the M14. In other words, they have set precedent with those terms during the 60's, long before Georgie's little ban.

Secondly, any and all infringements to the Second Ammendment, or for that matter the entire Bill of Rights is negated by the wording found in the 14th Ammendment, or, '...No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States...' This wording negates any and all state bans that infringe upon the Bill f Rights. Taking it a step further, this precludes any and all governmental infringements to same as 'citizens of the United States' means any and all of us.

Just my crooked way of reading things, but I do tend to read quite literally as the words are indeed written, not interpret my own meaning into them.

You should, but don't have to exercise caution when threatening the
Government these days with the Radical shift towards Marxism, which
bluntly means that they read this kind of stuff and most likely understand
Greek. The Charging Handle issue has been hashed about many times
and no matter what you say it's their rule. You can of course ignore their
rules and probably nothing bad will happen to you. It's kinda like running
in front of bus. For the new guys that didn't go thru the 94 ban bull the
Flash Suppressor on a G1that a friend built almost caused him some problems at local gun range, so if you fool around with them sometimes you get bit.

switchblade7.62x51 · March 15, 2009, 19:10

We bite back, only harder, and more tenaciously. Must be a Northern California Country Boy thing.

Rules made by any government office are BS. If they go against the COnstitution they are invalid, and void. That's the reason the SUpreme Court will not her hard core Second Ammendment issues because they know WE are right!

richardrose67 · March 16, 2009, 12:38

Hi Y'all ,
Thanks for all the information. I must agree that an op rod is not a charging handle. After teaching weapons in the military for many years, there is no op rod on a M-16 or Fal. The M-1, M-14 and the M -60 are all taught my the U.S. Air Force, U.S.M.C, Army and Navy to have op rods. This probable means nothing to the A.T.F.
Again thanks,
Best regards,
R.F.Aylward Air Force Smsgt. ret.

March 14, 2009, 13:17	#1
richardrose67 Registered FALaholic #: 42935 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: biloxi ms KATRINA COUNTRY Posts: 231	ATF terminology Hi again, In the 20 parts listed by the ATF, I see 4 which I don't believe are on a FAL, barrel extension,trunnions,op rod and disconnecter? Or is the AFT twisting word meanings around? Please don't tell me they call a charging handle an op rod. Best regards, Rich __________________ SMSGT RETIRED,CATM, S.O.G, NBC WARFARE 1965-2003

March 14, 2009, 13:26	#2
garyd1961 Curio & Relic Contributor Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 39373 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NC Posts: 2,697	The fal only has 17 of the 20 that is why you only need 7 us parts if you use a muzzel device 6 if you dont use a muzzel device. I do believe they consider the charging handle the same as an operating rod. garyd1961 __________________ One nation under God. Last edited by garyd1961; March 14, 2009 at 13:43.

March 14, 2009, 20:51	#4
Hanover Phist "forever young" FALaholic #: 1969 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: The Great State of Confusion Posts: 125	This might help. FAL Rules in pdf Format __________________ What do you mean, my birth certificate expired?

March 15, 2009, 14:19	#6
switchblade7.62x51 Registered FALaholic #: 38413 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Fort Drum, NY Posts: 41	First off, to all agencies, state and federal, Molon Labe! The ATF cannot use Operating Rod to mean Charging Handle as they have already used the term operaating rod, and not gas piston to meant the operating rod of both the Garand and the M14. In other words, they have set precedent with those terms during the 60's, long before Georgie's little ban. Secondly, any and all infringements to the Second Ammendment, or for that matter the entire Bill of Rights is negated by the wording found in the 14th Ammendment, or, '...No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States...' This wording negates any and all state bans that infringe upon the Bill f Rights. Taking it a step further, this precludes any and all governmental infringements to same as 'citizens of the United States' means any and all of us. Just my crooked way of reading things, but I do tend to read quite literally as the words are indeed written, not interpret my own meaning into them. __________________ Distorted Services Fine Cigars 315.405.4071 If they come for your neighbor's guns, have the sac to help him, because your's are next. We are not many, we are legion. http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member525.png

March 15, 2009, 19:10	#8
switchblade7.62x51 Registered FALaholic #: 38413 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Fort Drum, NY Posts: 41	We bite back, only harder, and more tenaciously. Must be a Northern California Country Boy thing. Rules made by any government office are BS. If they go against the COnstitution they are invalid, and void. That's the reason the SUpreme Court will not her hard core Second Ammendment issues because they know WE are right! __________________ Distorted Services Fine Cigars 315.405.4071 If they come for your neighbor's guns, have the sac to help him, because your's are next. We are not many, we are legion. http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member525.png

March 16, 2009, 12:38	#9
richardrose67 Registered FALaholic #: 42935 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: biloxi ms KATRINA COUNTRY Posts: 231	ATF TERMINOLOGY Hi Y'all , Thanks for all the information. I must agree that an op rod is not a charging handle. After teaching weapons in the military for many years, there is no op rod on a M-16 or Fal. The M-1, M-14 and the M -60 are all taught my the U.S. Air Force, U.S.M.C, Army and Navy to have op rods. This probable means nothing to the A.T.F. Again thanks, Best regards, R.F.Aylward Air Force Smsgt. ret. __________________ SMSGT RETIRED,CATM, S.O.G, NBC WARFARE 1965-2003

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