I wanna scout riffle

[witchdoctor]

I am looking for a scout rifle. I prefer bolt action, .308, short barrel (18" or shorter), and well made. I am considering the Rugar Mk77 Frontier, but I cannot find one. I did find a hell of a deal on a brand new 7mm-06 one however. Any leads or other suggestions???

[skeeterbay]

There's always the Steyr but they are expensive.

If it was me, I would build one on a Mauser or like rifle. I like being able to use stripper clips to reload. It also wouldn't break the bank.

Rebarrel it to 308 or whatever caliber you like. Choose the length barrel that suits you. The only issue is scope mounts. I don't know if I am all that keen on the ones that replace the rear sight. I have read that some folks like them and some folks don't. If the rear sight mount didn't work out. Maybe a guy could have a short rail mounted somehow?

Anyway thats my thoughts.


Skeeter!

[Hot Diggity]

I met a guy at a gun show that described how he'd built one from an FR8.
Sounded interesting, and would be a pretty solid starting point, with short barrel, stripper clip guide, flash hider, and rear sight that's not in a position to interfere with scout scope mounting.

I'd be interested to see what could be done with one, but I kinda like the FR8 just the way it is.

HD

[jbk1221]

I bought an enfield 2a that is 308 and cut down the barrel, put on a synthetic stock and mounted a forward scope. So far it has worked great. I just followed the suggestions in the book "Poor man's scout rifle" by bob cashner. Good ideas for an inexpensive scout.

[W.E.G.]

Originally posted by witchdoctor
I am looking for a scout rifle....I am considering the Rugar Mk77 Frontier, but I cannot find one....Any leads or other suggestions???

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIte...Item=115881338
and
http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIte...Item=116224569

[skeeterbay]

Hot Diggity wrote "rear sight that's not in a position to interfere with scout scope mounting. "

That's where my Mauser idea is flawed. A scout rifle should have back up iron sights. The FR8 would be a great choice, but your right. They are awful handy the way they are. You almost hate to mess with one.

Skeeter!

[whirlibird]

Depending on whether or not you are building it, the Ruger #1's ramp can be easily adapted to be used on a barrel and the Ruger rings used as a scout mount.
A Lyman or Redfield receiver sight can be easily installed on the rear of the weapon.
A Mauser can be fairly easily built up and made as you want or need using the above.

[Hellion Productions]

Savage has re-released their model 10 scout.

http://www.savagearms.com/10fcmscout.htm

Best,
John Bear Ross

[Thorgrimm_the_Vain]

Originally posted by Hellion Productions
Savage has re-released their model 10 scout.

http://www.savagearms.com/10fcmscout.htm

Best,
John Bear Ross

And who makes the furniture for that rifle? Those pieces of suck that advertised with the Horiuchi testimonial?

[BUFF]

I built one on a Remington Model 7 with the Remington synthetic stock. It was just as Steyr was bringing out their Scout, per Jeff Cooper's specifications, but I already had the Remington and the Steyr was a lot of money.

Part of Cooper's definition of the Scout was a limit on both weight and length, to keep the rifle portable and quick handling. It's hard to make weight limits with most existing bolt rifle actions and full profile barrels.

Here is me and mine. You have to be signed up to Yahoo to view it.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SaltLa...unt=20&dir=asc

That's member fuautos in the olive sports shirt with the mousegun sitting in the chair. We used to have some fun shoots. We are overdue.

[PASHOOTER]

I used a VZ24 action and fit it with a surplus 308 barrel, a XS scout mount
( reinforced with 3 , 10-32 bottom tap screws and epoxy). I cut the barrel at the second step, this gave me about 17 3/4 inch barrel and mounted a Williams FP for the BUIS. I use a Burris scout scope.

[Deltaten]

Lotsa good ideas here.
I have considered the same ideas; but based my fantasy "scout" on a Swede '96 or '38 carbine. Add a sweet all-weather stock, a Ching-ring mount and a low power LER scope, with a possible addition of a ring-mounted Harris BP, to take advantage of the 6.5's long legs gotta love them long-legged Swedes LOL

Biggest problem is finding a 'Swede that is good enuff for the intended use; but bad enuff to chop up!

truly a quandry
Paul

[Randall]

Build one out of a Mosin Nagant. 7.62x54R is still cheap to shoot.

[Hellion Productions]

Originally posted by Thorgrimm_the_Vain


And who makes the furniture for that rifle? Those pieces of suck that advertised with the Horiuchi testimonial?

Nope. The Scout has the standard Savage factory synthetic stock.

Vote with your dollars, and get the McMillan option from the Savage factory instead of the H-S stock.

Best,
JBR

[MtnWulf]

I've been looking for one of the new Savage Scouts model 10FCM for awhile, seems everyone is out of them. The factory does have them listed for 2009 so I may wait a month or two and if the buying madness subsides maybe I can find one.

I think it is the best buy out there in a scout type rifle, as it comes with the scope mount, peep sights and accutrigger. With the sights and scope mount it is$10 cheaper than the Savage Hunter series model 11FCNS with neither.

I did buy a Savage Model Mark II-FVT with peep sights as a .22 trainer for the Savage Scout Rifle. It has the accutrigger as well, and is very close in weight. I ordered a couple of spare mags for it from Savage and they were here in 3 days by mail, very good service and nice people (for Yankees).

Another option is to buy one of these http://www.savagearms.com/11FYCAK.htm, and add the factory sights and scope mount. But it will cost about $150 more plus the gunsmithing to mount everything, but does have a tunable muzzle break.

[motosapien]

I've got one on a Rem Model Seven with a Burris base & scope. Bedded the action & free floated the barrel. Worked on the trigger and put on a cushioned butt pad. I'll bet I have a couple thousand rounds through it. It is a potent little bitch. Shot some whitetales with it and lots of steel & paper.

I've thought of scout scoping my M-39 Finn or one of my K-98's. I'll bet Moses could do the job right. Need to get the scope not quite kissing the receiver at the eye end. There are shitty scout scope mounts out there for surplus rifles that put em way up over the barrel. What you want is a big screen view instantaneoulsy when you mount the rifle.

The Germans had a forward mounted scope on their K-98's so the idea is not without cause.

[bykerhd]

There is a used Savage 10 Scout at a local shop that I saw this afternoon.
It's not bad, but I thought the stock felt pretty crappy. Smooth, slick plastic with some so-so molded in "checkered" ? areas.
This one did NOT have the Accutrigger. That would be a plus for me. I'm not a fan of that trigger.
The version of a Ghost Ring sight installed did not appeal to me. Way too large of a rear aperture. Some sort of scope would definitely need to be installed.
The rifle did have a nice light feel and actually handled pretty well.

The same basic set-up in matte stainless, with a grippier synthetic stock, and a different sight set-up would be quite appealing to me.

[Dirt1042]

Use an M44 or M38 mosin and get an s&k mount for it. You can replace the rear sight back on it very easy.

I have an Israeli FN made 98k in .308 that I plan to put an s&k mount on. I'm not going to cut the barrel, but it feels handy and short enough at 22inches to me anyway.

Good luck.

I did buy a .308 Norge barrel from cole distributing for a $100 a while back. I don't think it's too hard to get a rebarrel job on a used 98k.

[Brian in MN]

Originally posted by Deltaten
Lotsa good ideas here.
I have considered the same ideas; but based my fantasy "scout" on a Swede '96 or '38 carbine.
Paul

I just picked up my M-94 Swede this evening. Found it at Simpson's Ltd. Bubba had sporterized the Mannlicher stock just to prove he was a thoroughgoing idiot. He then drilled holes in the side of the receiver to really finish off the collectability. I paid a whopping $180 for it!!! I am going to have a nice Mannlicher stock made for it and mount an aperture rear sight. No scope. It will be my little, lightweight hiking & plinking rifle that I can reload with clips. Perfectly adequate to tip over anything in Minnesota. I'm loving it so far. It is just about exactly the same length as an AK-74.

[kev]

I was looking at that rifle a couple of days ago, trying to figure out how butchered the front end was. When you get it, take a look and see if having the correct carbine nosepiece would be worthwhile.

[Brian in MN]

It is here, Kev. He dorked up the rear sight. Opened up the notch on the ladder and the teeth are gone from the first four notches so it is useless until 500 meters or more. He did not ruin the bolt, barrel and trigger guard.

I plan on putting it into a sporting Mannlicher stock. Let me know if you are interested in the butchered rear sight to go with your nose cap.

[Slo cat]

I have a New in Box Leupold FX-II 2.5x28mm Scout intermediate eye relief scope up for trade. See my WTT HERE

Best Regards,
Slo cat

[kev]

No real need for the rear sight, but thanks for the offer. Give me the number of the previous owner if you have it and I'll go shoot him in the kneecap.

If you're looking for unfinished sporter stocks for the Swede, I've been very happy with the patterns they have at http://www.gunstocks.com/ .

Not sure if they have a mannlicher for the Swede, but the Gary Goudy Classic, Oberndorf, or either of the Brit stocks are very nice. I still have half a dozen Swede stocks from when I had a few dozen original rifles, but thankfully I never had the nerve to tear any of the guns down. I'll eventually go on a shopping spree for bubba'd guns.

[chaleau]

I remember reading an article years ago in a gun magazine about a Remington Model 7 used and setup in a scout get up. I vaguely recall the author took a course at either Gunsite or Clint's place. But just be aware that IME a .308 Model 7 will thump the hell out of you. I seem to remember that the article spoke well of the setup. I always thought that one of the little CZ 527's (?) in a bigger caliber in a scout setup would be awfully handy since it has a box mag. My .02. TIFWIW.

[UMR_Engnr]

I'm in the process of converting an Enfield Ishapore .308 into a scout. Cut down the barrel to about 18", replaced the stock with a synthetic ATI stock, added XS Sights scout rail.

Ishapores could be had cheap from AIM Surplus about a year ago, but I don't know if they are cheap anymore. Overall, the rifle ended up a little heavier than I expected.

[BUFF]

Originally posted by chaleau:

"But just be aware that IME a .308 Model 7 will thump the hell out of you."

Not in my experience. My gunsmith cut an inch from the butt of the nylon stock and put another recoil pad on mine. It didn't kick any more or less than standard. The Remington stock is pretty straight, not much drop from the bore, and recoil is straight back, but I wouldn't say it's a kicker at all.

Recoil tolerance is pretty subjective, though. I grew up shooting bolt action sporters in .30-06 and have never had any .308 be bothersome.

[chaleau]

That would definitely tame the 7, Buff. Great little rifle.

[shootist]

I made a scout out of an 8mm mauser M48 with a Byods stock, scope mount that took the place of the rear sight from Brownell's (I think) and a Burris scout scope.

I really don't like the scout concept but this rifle turned into a relatively cheap foul weather hunting rifle that would be easy to convert back to its original format. And more important it works great.

Personally, I think the modern scout is best preformed by a 6.8mm AR 15. carbine with an ACOG. Cooper was living in the passed as far as I'm concerned.

Its just like people saying the 8 shot garand is the greatest battle rifle ever invented, yeah it was 70 years ago. But I'll take an M14 or FAL any day of the week.

[Artful]

Originally posted by Randall
Build one out of a Mosin Nagant. 7.62x54R is still cheap to shoot.

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