Gun "buy back" program by privite citizens?

[Celt]

So I'm reading another thread and a thought had crossed my mind.

Why not set up my own "gun buy back program"?

Go into a inter-city neighborhood, put up a table and some chairs and just "buy back"
anything that was worth a sh*t, giving the moron $100.00.

The ones who bring crap, tell them sorry no cash, the "recycle bin" for your POS is to the right, if you don't comply you will be arrested."

Thoughts??


Celt

PS - Don't steal my ideal!

[jaykden]

Originally posted by Celt


The ones who bring crap, tell them sorry no cash, the "recycle bin" for your POS is to the right...

no, see, you got it wrong....

give them their hunnerd bucks, THEN save up the crappy pistols, until there is buy back where ya get 200 bucks per gun.

you just doubled your $$$

[English Mike]

Originally posted by jaykden


no, see, you got it wrong....

give them their hunnerd bucks, THEN save up the crappy pistols, until there is buy back where ya get 200 bucks per gun.

you just doubled your $$$

Now THAT is what I call thinking things through.

[John Culver]

Originally posted by ENGLISH MIKE


Now THAT is what I call thinking things through.

after of course selling the magazine on gun broker (and any other useful parts)

[Munster30]

Originally posted by Celt
So I'm reading another thread and a thought had crossed my mind.

Why not set up my own "gun buy back program"?

Go into a inter-city neighborhood, put up a table and some chairs and just "buy back"
anything that was worth a sh*t, giving the moron $100.00.


Thoughts??


Celt

PS - Don't steal my ideal!

What's the penalties for Possession of Stolen Property in your jurisdiction?

[Manedwolf]

Originally posted by Celt
So I'm reading another thread and a thought had crossed my mind.

Why not set up my own "gun buy back program"?

Go into a inter-city neighborhood, put up a table and some chairs and just "buy back"
anything that was worth a sh*t, giving the moron $100.00.

The ones who bring crap, tell them sorry no cash, the "recycle bin" for your POS is to the right, if you don't comply you will be arrested."

Thoughts??


Celt

PS - Don't steal my ideal!

It would be a race to see who would stomp on you first. The local cops for recieving stolen property, or BATFE for unlicensed dealing in firearms. And if you got anything that was NFA, you'd be hauled off for ten years.

[brownknees]

Originally posted by Manedwolf


It would be a race to see who would stomp on you first. The local cops for recieving stolen property, or BATFE for unlicensed dealing in firearms. And if you got anything that was NFA, you'd be hauled off for ten years.

Don't forget the local "bovver boys" who'd kill you in a heartbeat to get a bunch of "cold pieces".
Or the local bloods, crips, ms13 or whatever who'd punch your clock for turf violation.

[Celt]

Originally posted by brownknees

Don't forget the local "bovver boys" who'd kill you in a heartbeat to get a bunch of "cold pieces".
Or the local bloods, crips, ms13 or whatever who'd punch your clock for turf violation.

All good feedback.

In my defense this idea was conceived of after 6 beers!

Cheers,


Celt

[jaykden]

[newfalguy101]

Originally posted by Manedwolf


BATFE for unlicensed dealing in firearms. And if you got anything that was NFA, you'd be hauled off for ten years.

Hmmm since when is BUYING multiple firearms dealing?? Celt never mentioned anything about reselling the guns, nor did jaykden.

The NFA issue would cause me more concern than anything, especally SBR's or SBS's, then again if you didnt BUY them, tis not really an issue.

I could see the local police causing a ruckus unless you went to the trouble of getting permission to operate within city limits...........but thats only a civil issue, not criminal

[brownknees]

Originally posted by Celt


All good feedback.

In my defense this idea was conceived of after 6 beers!

Cheers,


Celt

I'll drink to that.

[Bigger_Is_Better]

I've seen Churches do buy backs. How are they any different than an individual? Shouldn't they be busted?

Aaron

[newfalguy101]

Originally posted by Bigger_Is_Better
I've seen Churches do buy backs. How are they any different than an individual? Shouldn't they be busted?

Aaron

What law are they breaking??



I am NOT defending "buybacks" by any stretch, as far as I am concerned they are feel good measures that serve ZERO purpose aside from helping criminals to dispose of evidence, or rip off elderly people who bring in "pa's old gun that I dont want since he passed"

[jaykden]

Originally posted by newfalguy101

.... or rip off elderly people who bring in "pa's old gun that I dont want since he passed"

here's an ethical question..... is that really considered "ripping someone off"?


if someone just wants to be rid of a gun, whether its a rusted single shot .22, or a purdey double rifle... they want their hundred bucks, and they are happy as sam. i see no problem with that.

if they want to get what its worth, they coulda taken it to a gun shop and asked the guy behind the counter.

[gauraprema]

Yes it is unethical if the person has no idea about firearms and just wants to sell it because they need food or rent..Just because people dont know that pop's gun is a G series doesnt mean that they should be cheated.Just my 2 cent's.I cant say I would not be tempted but isnt that why we have free will to try and not submit to the way's of the liar's and cheater's?We may fail but we can try.Our lord is a merciful lord.

[TFA303]

The DC police tried to arrest a guy a few years ago outside of one of the "buybacks". He had a copy of the Blue Book and was telling people in line that their guns were often worth much more than the $50 Blockbuster Gift Card or whatever the cops were offering.

Unfortunately(for them), he knew his rights and wasn't doing a thing illegal. That annoying old First Amendment, you know....

[1911guy]

I like this idea. The only reason I can think of for the authorities to want to lock you up would be for the same reason untaxed liquor is illegal- the gov does not get its piece of pie.
I don't see where the "dealing" comes into it either.

[newfalguy101]

Originally posted by jaykden

here's an ethical question..... is that really considered "ripping someone off"?

perhaps "rip off" was a bit over the top.........


I do however see a huge difference between paying off when someone undervalues their gun and making a rediculously low offer hoping the seller doesnt know what they have.

If the seller sets the price, and they are way low, too bad, they should have done their homework.

If the ONLY offer, and thats what the "buyback" price is, is way low, then I see it as wrong............perhaps not unethical in the truest sense, afterall the seller does have the option of declining............

[jaykden]

Originally posted by gauraprema
Yes it is unethical if the person has no idea about firearms and just wants to sell it because they need food or rent..Just because people dont know that pop's gun is a G series doesnt mean that they should be cheated.Just my 2 cent's.I cant say I would not be tempted but isnt that why we have free will to try and not submit to the way's of the liar's and cheater's?We may fail but we can try.Our lord is a merciful lord.

ok, thats different, someone selling papas gun because they need to eat.



i was saying if someone doesn't like guns, and they want to off-load it because "they don't want it laying around". if they want to sell it for a hundred bucks, well, as far as i'm concerned, thats not dishonest. if someone wants to get rid of somthing for $X amount of dollars, it aint lying OR cheating to give them what they want for it.

example, my cousin bought an old winchester .22 target rifle in like-new condition from this old lady he had done a firplace job for. it had been her husbands rifle and she asked him if he wanted to buy it. he asked how much she wanted for it, she said $150. now, he had a pretty good idea it was worth more than that but he didn't know just how much. he asked me to check out the value, it came out to somthing like $500 bucks. now, did he cheat the old lady? i say no, because $150 is what she wanted for it. end of story.

[bykerhd]

I like the idea. Conceptually anyway.
There are ALWAYs problems.

This would be legal for an individual in some states and cities, I'm not sure how many though. That is the first hurdle. CAN you buy a gun, or guns, from individuals in your location ?
You may be able to overcome this by taking in a licensed dealer as a partner in the enterprise. His business would then probably have to be the "Buyback" location.

The obvious or suspected NFA weapons, DON'T buy them !

Get a name and address, even if bogus, and have ALL the serial numbers run against ?, here I'm not sure what data bases are running for stolen guns. Turn in any guns identified as stolen, and the sellers info to the cops, BATFE, or whatever.

Rather than cheat the folks who try to sell a valuable piece for peanuts, tell them the truth, and then offer a better price.
It does not have to be the ACTUAL value. Just a reasonable percentage that will ease your conscience and that you can afford.
Especially if you incorrectly identify a weapon as more valuable than it is.

[jbrooks]

Give it a try and email us the results when you get to Club Fed...

JWB

[newfalguy101]

Originally posted by jbrooks
Give it a try and email us the results when you get to Club Fed...

JWB

What law would be broken???

[jbrooks]

Originally posted by newfalguy101


What law would be broken???

Several. All I'm saying is go downtown to the "inner city", put up a table and a sign saying you will pay for guns. Accepting stolen property... dealing in firearms without a license... NFA laws... who knows??

Give it a try, and see what laws the local prosecutor can hang on you... your guess is as good as mine...

JWB

[bykerhd]

If you are only BUYING, but not SELLING, then you are NOT dealing in firearms.
Depending on the state's laws etc. That is where the likely problem will be.
The Feds are NOT involved in private purchases. Yet anyway.
The NFA and stolen weapons ARE something that would be a problem. If you actually purchase and take possession of them.

[jbrooks]

Well...

Several states have in the past (VA) and may still have laws that permit only "one gun a month". Where you buy your one gun a month is irrelevant.

So the feds may not care, but like I said, have at it and report back.

JWB

[Story]

Gun-buying enthusiasts crash firearms 'turn-in' event at Memorial Coliseum
Published: Saturday, August 18, 2012, 6:43 PM Updated: Saturday, August 18, 2012, 6:44 PM

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index...s_crash_f.html

Note : reasonable cop

Portland police officers assisted with paperwork and processing the guns turned in to the foundation. Central Precinct Sgt. Tim Sessions said the police did not have a problem with the buyers on the sidewalk.

"They have a right to buy guns," Sessions said. "That's in the Constitution. So that doesn't bother me a bit."

[palmettomoon]

Note the retarded reporter's comments on the picture caption:

[Blackmore]

Originally Posted by Story

Gun-buying enthusiasts crash firearms 'turn-in' event at Memorial Coliseum
Published: Saturday, August 18, 2012, 6:43 PM Updated: Saturday, August 18, 2012, 6:44 PM

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index...s_crash_f.html

Note : reasonable cop

I like this quote from Sgt. Sessions better:

"Equally unlikely, said Sessions, who assisted the foundation with its guns buyback for nine years, is the notion that gang members would be among those turning in guns.

'They really would like to see the gangs turn in the guns,' Sessions said. 'And I tell them, "Keep wishing that." But it's not going to happen.'"

[J. Armstrong]

Originally Posted by palmettomoon

Note the retarded reporter's comments on the picture caption:

I'm gonna get me on o' them pee-stolas that were fer DETECTIVES !!! And mebbe one what was used by both the Military AND Police !!!!!!!!!! Them's beter, anyone knows that !!!

AS usual, the media opens its' big trap with no regard to truth or factual accuracy.

[C2A1]

A dealer friend of mine ran ads in the local thirfty nickel that he was an FFL and he would dispose of firearms. Yes, martha, old ladies brought him all kinds of stuff. Mausers enfields,winchesters, colts, G series FAL and other goodies. He ran the ads in areas with seniors for like $200.00/yr. He would give them 50% of book, after he told them would they could get and what he would pay them. Most were happy just to get rid of the stuff.
He got out of the buisness, when a scumbag asked him to get some firearm and he said no. The scumbag said, Hey, I don't want a machine gun like you have. He got friendly with the guy and it turns out his girlfriend worked for the police and ran a check on him and gave him a printout of all his class 3 stuff. My buddy was worried then about MS-13 or whoever working the system and he getting targeted both for guns and/or cash and got out of the buisness. Friend of mine in secret service total me to be very careful who sees what. Some groups are running good intel operations and guns are more valuable than cash or even gold.