Starwars/Poofterpup Hybrid

Illurian00 · September 30, 2008, 05:14

http://www.defensetech.org/archives/004440.html

gunner30 · September 30, 2008, 05:20

looks like a water cooled Browning crossed with a bazooka and a touch of Barret 50 cal thrown in for good measure. When is the civilian version slated to hit the market??

richbug · September 30, 2008, 06:12

"The weapon costs about $25,000 each, but experts were quick to point out that a fully-loaded M4 for optics and pointers costs pretty close to $30,000. Each ATK-made 25mm round costs about $25."

I have to stand back and question any article in which "experts" claim an M4 costs $30,000

**GOVT1911** · September 30, 2008, 07:12

Quote:

Originally posted by richbug
"The weapon costs about $25,000 each, but experts were quick to point out that a fully-loaded M4 for optics and pointers costs pretty close to $30,000. Each ATK-made 25mm round costs about $25."

I have to stand back and question any article in which "experts" claim an M4 costs $30,000

M4 itself is only like $600, I beleive the extra $$ comes from the "optics and pointers". Not sure how much a PEQ-4 costs, but I've seen non-IR civ versions running several $k.

Manedwolf · September 30, 2008, 09:22

Brains are what really makes this Buck Rogers gun work -- it has them. The weapon combines a thermal optic, day-sight, laser range finder, compass and IR illuminator with a fire-control system that wirelessly transmits the exact range of the target into the 25mm round's fuse before firing.

Bet that'll really hold up in sandstorms, or when dropped down stairs, onto a concrete floor, all that. What happened to the LAW?

Meanwhile, the bad guys shoot back with a 1960's RPG-7 with no electronics at all, and kick everyone's ass.

Great.

**bykerhd** · September 30, 2008, 09:43

The top part of that goofy, oversize, overweight combo assault rifle, grenade, smart munitions weapon the Army was looking at apparently got a dramatic size reduction and went from 20 mm ? up to 25 mm ?

I wonder if THIS version will work ?

They dumped a ton of money in the other version and didn't even get to keep the gee-whiz plastic HK that made up the detachable assault rifle.

USMC 0341 · September 30, 2008, 16:06

A bit OT and maybe a bit trollish - but rather than the term "poofterpup" I think the term "Bullpoofter" is better. I see no reason to remove the word "Bull" from "Bullpup" - but maybe that's just me.

Hellion Productions · September 30, 2008, 17:07

They should develop a "dumb" version of the round that arms after 15 meters, mount an aimpoint on a swivel mount for distance ranges, and put it in every rifle squad. Screw the electronics, just keep the big boom. A beehive round would be nice, too.

Best,
John Bear Ross

Manedwolf · September 30, 2008, 21:59

Meanwhile, let's continue the thirty-year-plus legacy of paying HK to develop things that are never fielded, but that HK is paid lots and lots of money to show promo videos of how amazing it will be.

The Pentagon could have a Museum of HK Abandoned Expensive Projects, now.

boman · September 30, 2008, 22:18

long live the Grenadier!

**Lee Carpentieri** · September 30, 2008, 23:07

The idiot that wrote the article is blowing gas out his six. The weapon is called the XM29 and the electronics package is made by ATK electronics division, Same corporation that came up with the 25mm ammo. The electronics package failed at Ft.Greely Alaska in Artic warfare test chambers and froze up at zero degrees badly.The 25mm round cost 75.00 each from ATK. Piss poor reporting should get this person a job as a congressional fag boy aid. Got the news letter last night from military.com and the report that reporter wrote up about the Fn-Fal was a joke just like some of the magazines the clown writes for. To think they pay these clowns for writing stuff up and can't get the info correct the first time, Guess they haven't learned about proof reading their report before going to press. So much for college degrees and what they teach these idiots today in college. But like the old saying still applies, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR! Those who do have college degrees OR TRADE SCHOOL DEGREES AND know what your paid for, I say KUDOS TO YOU, AND GODS SPEED IN A SUCCESSFUL CARREER. BUT the press and politicians are as about as useful as tits on a BULLFROG these days.

Illurian00 · October 01, 2008, 02:03

Quote:

A bit OT and maybe a bit trollish - but rather than the term "poofterpup" I think the term "Bullpoofter" is better. I see no reason to remove the word "Bull" from "Bullpup" - but maybe that's just me.

Flame away,,,it's only the the internet,,,BullPoofter is fine w/ me,,,i'm just scavenging the nomenclature I find laying around these parts.

USMC 0341 · October 01, 2008, 02:34

Not meant as a flame at you. Sorry if it came out that way.

I just thought the 'bull' in 'bullpup' was the most appropriate part of the term.

**nightschneider** · October 01, 2008, 16:13

I am all for weapons development, and getting the best equipment into the right hands....but it just seems like the government's kneejerk solution to every problem is technology.

Soldiers win wars, not the newest toys. 'Shock and Awe' cost a lot of money, and we still had to have boots on the ground. I wish the leadership in the country would try impressing our enemies with our resolve, and determination to win rather than having cooler toys.

shlomo · October 01, 2008, 21:35

Why does all this new stuff look like it was designed by a committee of queers?

September 30, 2008, 05:14	#1
Illurian00 Registered FALaholic #: 28599 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,409	Starwars/Poofterpup Hybrid http://www.defensetech.org/archives/004440.html

September 30, 2008, 05:20	#2
gunner30 Registered FALaholic #: 22242 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 2,278	looks like a water cooled Browning crossed with a bazooka and a touch of Barret 50 cal thrown in for good measure. When is the civilian version slated to hit the market?? __________________ Lighten up Francis

September 30, 2008, 09:22	#5
Manedwolf Registered FALaholic #: 35047 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NH Posts: 4,850	Brains are what really makes this Buck Rogers gun work -- it has them. The weapon combines a thermal optic, day-sight, laser range finder, compass and IR illuminator with a fire-control system that wirelessly transmits the exact range of the target into the 25mm round's fuse before firing. Bet that'll really hold up in sandstorms, or when dropped down stairs, onto a concrete floor, all that. What happened to the LAW? Meanwhile, the bad guys shoot back with a 1960's RPG-7 with no electronics at all, and kick everyone's ass. Great. __________________ "Stay in school, work hard, stay out of trouble and when you grow up, you can pay for those who didn't."

September 30, 2008, 17:07	#8
Hellion Productions Registered FALaholic #: 4517 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Pahrump, NV Posts: 1,074	They should develop a "dumb" version of the round that arms after 15 meters, mount an aimpoint on a swivel mount for distance ranges, and put it in every rifle squad. Screw the electronics, just keep the big boom. A beehive round would be nice, too. Best, John Bear Ross __________________ www.johnbearross.com I'm not "that" John Ross...I'm "this" John Ross... Dan Fong Lives...

September 30, 2008, 21:59	#9
Manedwolf Registered FALaholic #: 35047 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NH Posts: 4,850	Meanwhile, let's continue the thirty-year-plus legacy of paying HK to develop things that are never fielded, but that HK is paid lots and lots of money to show promo videos of how amazing it will be. The Pentagon could have a Museum of HK Abandoned Expensive Projects, now. __________________ "Stay in school, work hard, stay out of trouble and when you grow up, you can pay for those who didn't."

September 30, 2008, 06:12	#3
richbug Registered FALaholic #: 10484 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Western PA Posts: 3,759	"The weapon costs about $25,000 each, but experts were quick to point out that a fully-loaded M4 for optics and pointers costs pretty close to $30,000. Each ATK-made 25mm round costs about $25." I have to stand back and question any article in which "experts" claim an M4 costs $30,000

September 30, 2008, 09:43	#6
bykerhd Dinosaur Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 2798 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Burlington Vermont area Posts: 13,262	The top part of that goofy, oversize, overweight combo assault rifle, grenade, smart munitions weapon the Army was looking at apparently got a dramatic size reduction and went from 20 mm ? up to 25 mm ? I wonder if THIS version will work ? They dumped a ton of money in the other version and didn't even get to keep the gee-whiz plastic HK that made up the detachable assault rifle.

September 30, 2008, 16:06	#7
USMC 0341 Registered FALaholic #: 988 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: gpne Posts: 2,451	A bit OT and maybe a bit trollish - but rather than the term "poofterpup" I think the term "Bullpoofter" is better. I see no reason to remove the word "Bull" from "Bullpup" - but maybe that's just me.

September 30, 2008, 22:18	#10
boman Registered FALaholic #: 395 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: In Posts: 312	long live the Grenadier! __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin-1759

September 30, 2008, 23:07	#11
Lee Carpentieri Curio & Relic Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 4936 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: N/A Posts: 4,178	HK XM29 The idiot that wrote the article is blowing gas out his six. The weapon is called the XM29 and the electronics package is made by ATK electronics division, Same corporation that came up with the 25mm ammo. The electronics package failed at Ft.Greely Alaska in Artic warfare test chambers and froze up at zero degrees badly.The 25mm round cost 75.00 each from ATK. Piss poor reporting should get this person a job as a congressional fag boy aid. Got the news letter last night from military.com and the report that reporter wrote up about the Fn-Fal was a joke just like some of the magazines the clown writes for. To think they pay these clowns for writing stuff up and can't get the info correct the first time, Guess they haven't learned about proof reading their report before going to press. So much for college degrees and what they teach these idiots today in college. But like the old saying still applies, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR! Those who do have college degrees OR TRADE SCHOOL DEGREES AND know what your paid for, I say KUDOS TO YOU, AND GODS SPEED IN A SUCCESSFUL CARREER. BUT the press and politicians are as about as useful as tits on a BULLFROG these days. __________________ Live life to the fullest, Because in the end there's only death and taxs.

October 01, 2008, 02:34	#13
USMC 0341 Registered FALaholic #: 988 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: gpne Posts: 2,451	Not meant as a flame at you. Sorry if it came out that way. I just thought the 'bull' in 'bullpup' was the most appropriate part of the term.

October 01, 2008, 16:13	#14
nightschneider Senior Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1993 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Kalispell, MT USA Posts: 778	I am all for weapons development, and getting the best equipment into the right hands....but it just seems like the government's kneejerk solution to every problem is technology. Soldiers win wars, not the newest toys. 'Shock and Awe' cost a lot of money, and we still had to have boots on the ground. I wish the leadership in the country would try impressing our enemies with our resolve, and determination to win rather than having cooler toys. __________________ Some will die in hot pursuit in fiery auto crashes. Some will die in hot pursuit while sifting through my ashes. Some will fall in love with life and drink it from a fountain that is pouring like an avelanche coming down the mountain.

October 01, 2008, 21:35	#15
shlomo Registered FALaholic #: 12779 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: elsewhere Posts: 11,993	Why does all this new stuff look like it was designed by a committee of queers?

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