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Old May 31, 2008, 01:03   #1
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i dont see many guys using 30 rd mags for the fal

is there a reason...are there reliability issues???

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Old May 31, 2008, 01:16   #2
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Mine work fine, but I kind of consider them a specialty mag. They are a little awkward compared to the twenties!
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Old May 31, 2008, 02:11   #3
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Some like em, some don't.

Mine works fine.

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Old May 31, 2008, 02:25   #4
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i have a straight metric 30 and a curved inch 30. they both work fine but just seem too big for normal use. plus the extra 10 rounds are noticably heavier.

i perfer 20's in the FAL, i have alot of those.
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Old May 31, 2008, 06:16   #5
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They are a lot more expensive, scarcer, and heavier then 20s. Too, 20 rounds is the "traditional" mag capacity for .308 class rifles. My admittedly arm-chair commando opinion is 30s have a place, like static defense repeling borders and the like. Of course I have to have a few just because they exist and fit a rifle I own, kind of like 40 round mags & drums for AKs & ARs and 50 round Galil mags and such.
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Old May 31, 2008, 06:57   #6
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I have four of them. All four begin to act up when loaded past 24 rounds. They are heavy, clumsy in the rifle, bulky in load bearing equipment and you cannot get close enough to the ground when prone. They are also expensive. Alloy 20s are the way to go.
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Old May 31, 2008, 11:42   #7
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I got a great deal on a couple of factory 30's for my PTR 91. I tried them, and while they fed/fit/functioned fine, I prefer 20's. I can't imagine it would be any different for me with my FAL's.
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Old May 31, 2008, 21:59   #8
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I have them.....because I can. High cool factor, low practicality.
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Old May 31, 2008, 23:22   #9
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I didn't like the one I had purely due to esthetics's. I think it ruins the lines of the rifle and, it makes it look ungainly.


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Old June 01, 2008, 00:40   #10
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Hard to get in and out of a truck with a FAL anyway, but with that thirty, it always seems to get stuck on something. Last time it was my girlfriend's sweater. Pulled it right off. Hope you are careful with yours.
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Old June 01, 2008, 08:04   #11
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thanks guys

for all the insight..you have answeded my question and more lol
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Old June 01, 2008, 08:51   #12
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If you can't fix your problem ( or at least stabilize it long enough for a mag change ) with 20 rounds, either you picked too big of a problem or yer technique needs adjusting..............
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Old June 01, 2008, 12:45   #13
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What ya really need is two of em connected together with "mag couplers" ala AR-15.

Much faster doin' one of them "tactical" reload things!

Comes in real handy for attacking convoys, straffin' Vill's or Hamlet's, an Zombie attacks!

They do LOOK cool!!
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Old June 01, 2008, 13:15   #14
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they are especially finicky in a F/A weapon where they are most useful. Otherwise... for semi use, I would prefer a 20 anyway.
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Old June 01, 2008, 14:32   #15
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I've got a good bunch of straight metric 30's they all work just fine and I have not found them finicky in the least. But loaded, they are damned heavy and add 4 or so inches to your required manuvering room. They have their uses as mentioned for shooting in place from a barricaded position.

I've gots lots more Austrian and Israeli 20s. Thats what I use for practice.


Then I have a whole big bunch of early '60s vintage 20 rd Hiduminium Belgians brand new in the grease and original FN heavy plastic wrap. Those and the 30s are my stash mags.

For my AKs I have lots of 30s and 40s. But they are heavy when loaded and then there is that manuvering room thing, so I mostly USE 20s. Just a lot more practical.

The mouse guns, ARs and .30M1s are the only guns I regularly USE 30s with.
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Old June 01, 2008, 15:49   #16
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The 30 round mags were originally designed for the 1958 7.62mm L4A1 modernized version of the British Bren gun, used from the 30's (in .303 cal) to the 80's by the British army (among others).



When used in a FAL the mags are upside down (from how they were designed), and supposedly do not have a strong enough spring to feed all 30 rounds reliably in the FAL, since they relied somewhat on gravity to feed into the L4A1 machine gun.

So people that say they work OK, do they work OK with all 30 rounds in the mag??
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Old June 01, 2008, 16:58   #17
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So people that say they work OK, do they work OK with all 30 rounds in the mag??

Personally, I've never even seen a curved 30 in the flesh. But I recall seeing that the Cannucks had a straight 30 rd inch mag for their FALs and some years ago I found a Canadian Co. that had tons of spare springs for them. The springs were the broad flat stock just like the original BREN gun mags so I don't know if they are any different than what comes in the converted BREN mags.

I think there is a market if someone could convince IMSI to do a run of extra-power (+25% or so) chrome silicon 30 rd replacement springs.
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Old June 01, 2008, 17:32   #18
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I have 7 mags all feed well no issues and will be buying a few more from DSA.
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Old June 01, 2008, 19:41   #19
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The 30 round mags were originally designed for the 1958 7.62mm L4A1 modernized version of the British Bren gun, used from the 30's (in .303 cal) to the 80's by the British army (among others).



When used in a FAL the mags are upside down (from how they were designed), and supposedly do not have a strong enough spring to feed all 30 rounds reliably in the FAL, since they relied somewhat on gravity to feed into the L4A1 machine gun.

So people that say they work OK, do they work OK with all 30 rounds in the mag??
While this may be true for the curved converted bren mags it is my understanding(and I could be wrong)that the straight 30rd mags were designed for the FAL. Anybody want to clarify? I have six 30rd straight mags and they function fine. Although they do look a little weird in my FALs.
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Old June 01, 2008, 19:53   #20
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While this may be true for the curved converted bren mags it is my understanding(and I could be wrong)that the straight 30rd mags were designed for the FAL. Anybody want to clarify? I have six 30rd straight mags and they function fine. Although they do look a little weird in my FALs.
The curved 30 rd mags sold by DSA are indeed converted BREN gun mags.

There were both inch and metric original straight bodied 30 rders used at least to my understanding by several european countries, Israel, and RSA.

Both the Canadians and Aussies used straight 30 rd inch mags.
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Old June 02, 2008, 09:07   #21
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I stick with 20 rounders myself when shooting, wearing out 20 rounders that cost a lot less than the 30 rounders makes more sense. Function wise,my straight metric 30 rounder works great. It does look kind of hairy in my 16' para clone.
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Old June 02, 2008, 19:24   #22
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There are both straight inch and metric magazines. In talking with Peter Wells (South Africa) the straight metric magazines were for there 7.62 BREN conversions but not issued in numbers. The straight inch are for the L2/C2 rifles.

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I use my 30 round mags in IPSC matches and they work fine. These are British mags though.

I have some Indian ones (from DSA) which have given me problems in the past.
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My Brit mags work fine. I ordered 2 more from DSA and I would like to see a company make some chrome silicon springs for them just so I have new and updated mag springs just in case.
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I just got my mags from DSA today and I know for a fact these are not Brit mags maybe India mags? The weld marks are a bit crude then my brit mags and also I think they are lighter then my brit mags? The Mag body seems less sturdy then my Brit mags aswell hope these work? I will find out I guess I just wonder why DSA advertised them as British mags? Anyway I have 6 brit 30s none with any problems I hope the same for the two mags I got today.
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I have a friend that uses nothing but L4 mags in his L1.
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Does anyone know were to get real brit L4A1 mags? just curious.
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There are both straight inch and metric magazines. In talking with Peter Wells (South Africa) the straight metric magazines were for there 7.62 BREN conversions but not issued in numbers. The straight inch are for the L2/C2 rifles.

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My mate in Australia humped an L2 in VN and he said he carried the 30 rounders. He thought his FAL was called an L2A2, HB with bipod. He was the auto weapons guy in his unit and served with the 3 RAR. Noticed your post as my mate's name is Paul Wells.

Kind of funny as he's not very big. Kind of like when I first went into the Marines the little guys humped the BAR. I suppose smaller targets for the automatic weapons guys - not that the Garand was any tiny weapon -
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