Mayasian, FNM Port, South African, Radway or Hert.? Sugestions?

Bruce J · October 22, 2000, 10:36

Looking at buying a few cases.. I know this has been asked and debated often, but I find no conclusions or at least that I'm not aware of.

Mayasian: CAI $209, Ammoman: $245
FNM Portuguese: AIM $149, Ammoman: $179
South African: AIM $126, Ammoman $179
Radway: CAI $150, Ammoman $99/400 rds, CheaperthanDirt $199
Hert.: AIM $169

(Ammoman includes shipping)
I know there's one amo to stay away from, I can't remeber if its the Chilian stuff or Mayasian.. or something different.

Any sugestions?

Master Blaster · October 22, 2000, 10:44

I have had good success with CAI recently buying Radway Green 7.62 X 51 Ball at $129.00 per thousand rounds delivered. Call Steve Carson, he's the rep that I have been dealing with.

cvl engr · October 22, 2000, 11:25

After the shoot Sat. I contemplated asking to see if any KC shooters want to go in together on a large purchase. CAI still has RG 7.62x51 and SA PMP 5.56 for 129/ case delivered. I am leaning towards the Hirtenberger though.

Bruce J · October 22, 2000, 12:55

I was going to buy at least a case. Do you think there are discounts on larger orders?

I always thoguth RG was underpowered. I coudl go for the Hert though unless the other Protugese was just as good.

Let me know if you discover discounts on larger orders and it only makes sense to go in on it.

DABTL · October 22, 2000, 14:54

Bruce: the one to stay away from is Chilean. It repudedly explodes in the magazine.

I have shot CAVIM, Venezuelan, in my FAL with the only downside being it is somewhat dirty in 308. The CAVIM 308 will bring a G3 to a halt in about 6 rounds.

CAVIM 30-06 is another story. It is a swell buy and safe for M1s and other semiauto and bolt guns. We tested the linked and it is low pressure enough for semis.

Fal-fan · October 22, 2000, 14:57

Hirt, Hirt and more Hirt. Great ammo, IMHO. Clean, consistant and dead-on.

Farmer from Hell · October 22, 2000, 15:10

I have been shooting the SA stuff from AIM and it seems to be fine and it's pretty affordable.

FfH

archy · October 22, 2000, 15:48

I prefer the Radway Green for use with original inch-pattern barrels or for other Commonwealth equipment [Bren; L42A1 sniper's rifle] with the barrel twist and configuration meant to be used with the 144-grain bullet of the Radway Green and Malaysian L2A2 ammo fairly available at present. As noted, it may require opening the gas adjustment one position further, and metric-pattern FAL sights may not be spot-on for the trajectory of the Brit ammo.

The Hirtenbirger ammo has given me very acceptable results, and I hope to be giving some more a try shortly after a certain Christmas present gets delivered.

Something else worth trying if you can find it, though at $1 per round or so, it's not exactly *plinking* ammo: the Remington .308 Accellerator cartridge, with a 55-grain .224 bullet in a .30 caliber sabot. These little jewels move out at around 4000 FPS, though lately, it's been the .30-06 version that's turning up on my local gunshop ammo shelves.

-archy-/-

yorick · October 22, 2000, 19:12

Hirt!

See pic I posted in 'smithing section

**JohnnyMac** · October 22, 2000, 19:13

Unless your CAI rep is cutting you special deals, the RG special ($129/k) is now over. I called them last Monday to get a case, but it was now $149/k, delivered (Still agood buy, BTW). I had passed on a case of RG for $145 at a gunshow 10/14. Picked some up today at another gun-show for $145/k.

Same vendor had Hirtenberger for $165/k, and battle-packed SA for $179/k. Thought about getting the SA (same $/rd), but the case was a mix of different manufacture dates ('78-83), so I stuck with RG.

Also got some 1983 Hirtenberger 7.62x51 tracer rounds for $7.99/30 rds. Hope at least some of them actually light!

JMc

**BUFF** · October 22, 2000, 19:22

The RG may seem less powerful but it is not. It is NATO mil-spec. If it was reloadable, for $130-150/1,000 delivered, it would be perfect, in my mind.

Hirtenberger at $165/1,000 delivered, or if you can find it at a gun show for that price, will give you reloadable brass cases for 1.5 cents each. It is as good as ammo as the RG, in my opinion, as is the Portuguses FMN.

You cannot go wrong with any of those three, IMHO.

BUFF

cvl engr · October 22, 2000, 20:10

JohnnyMac-
My brother a C&R FFL holder ordered a couple mausers Thurs. and that was the price they quoted him. I do not know if the were offering him a break? I am going to have him order one of each tommorow if he can still get it at that price. The customer rep. said sale went till end of month.

Bruce J · October 22, 2000, 21:48

Wow! Thanks for all the responses. This helps me straighten things out.

Lesson One: No Chilean! (I'm releived to find this out)
Lesson Two: RG would be best deal if I can get the super-duper CAI price. I've never shot RG before.
Lesson Three: If no deals on RG it's a toss up between the other three. I've shot the Port and the Hert, but not the S.A. so maybe I'll buy one S.A. and one case of Hert just to experiment. Between the two, they average out to two cases of Port!

[This message has been edited by Bruce J (edited October 22, 2000).]

cvl engr · October 23, 2000, 19:29

today, 10/23/00 my brother ordered for me case RG-$129, case PMP $129, case of 1400 turk 8x57 mauser Corr, on strippers in bandoliers(great for those incredibly cheap mausers)$99.40, all prices are shipped (the shipping wt on 8x57 is 100lbs, if I remember right)

Bruce J-email me if you can't get CAI to deal with you, I am going to order more after I balance the checkbook

[This message has been edited by cvl engr (edited October 23, 2000).]

gunner30 · November 12, 2007, 18:15

Bump--- for memories of olden daze

ftierson · November 12, 2007, 18:27

Quote:

Originally posted by gunner30
Bump--- for memories of olden daze

Felt like torturing us a little, eh?

Forrest

English Mike · November 12, 2007, 18:37

Some people are plain evil - SA cost me $200/1260 all of 18 months ago.

2 clicks low · November 12, 2007, 18:44

When I read a post and something is not right, I look at the day of the post!

GreyMan · November 17, 2007, 11:55

It's difficult to even post through these tears of regret...I COULD have afforded a few more cases 7 years ago. I really could have...

Stay Safe,
AGreyMan

ammolab · November 17, 2007, 12:13

Suggestions?????

I have one!

GET A TIME MACHINE!!!

mnhornet · November 18, 2007, 10:32

+1 on the time machine, had I known $45 on a SA battle pack would become a screaming good deal I would have bought the guy out.

ftierson · November 18, 2007, 11:46

Quote:

Originally posted by ammolab
Suggestions?????

I have one!

GET A TIME MACHINE!!!

I'll take it...

Who's got it for sale?

Forrest

ammolab · November 18, 2007, 17:05

Quote:

Originally posted by ammolab
Suggestions?????

I have one!

GET A TIME MACHINE!!!

But don't waste your time bringing back heavy AMMO. Just pick up some Google stock. Everything else will fall into place. You can just send your Super Models to the Gun Show to pay retail....

jefferyc22 · November 20, 2007, 14:44

This makes me depressed and want to throw up all at the same time.
Back when 7.62 was fun....................

Groucho · November 21, 2007, 07:44

I remember somebody posting a few years ago that we were in the good old days of ammo and we should buy all we could. I did. But I couldn't buy enough.

Of course, one can NEVER have "enough" ammo.

Groucho

Oswald2001 · November 21, 2007, 08:23

These are still the good old days for 5.45 x 39 surplus.

azski · November 25, 2007, 21:50

Yep. At my first Phoenix Show I bought a green case of Portuguese .308 (I think it held somnething like 1200 rounds) for $159 and thought I got taken!

I was with panchop at another Show when he sold a few guns and used the cash to buy ammo. He bought 5,000 rounds of Portuguese in the wooden cases! I thought to myself that he was wasting his money because a gun lasts forever but ammo is gone as soon as you shoot it. I was over his house a month ago and he still had a few of those csses left! Just 2 of them now will equal what he apid for all 5 of them then!

I wonder what we will be saying in the next few years? I sure hope it isn't "Remember when you could get .308 for only 50 cents a round?"!!

azski

Cliff M · November 26, 2007, 23:44

Reload

October 22, 2000, 10:36	#1
Bruce J Registered FALaholic #: 102 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Linwood Kansas USA Posts: 781	Mayasian, FNM Port, South African, Radway or Hert.? Sugestions? Looking at buying a few cases.. I know this has been asked and debated often, but I find no conclusions or at least that I'm not aware of. Mayasian: CAI $209, Ammoman: $245 FNM Portuguese: AIM $149, Ammoman: $179 South African: AIM $126, Ammoman $179 Radway: CAI $150, Ammoman $99/400 rds, CheaperthanDirt $199 Hert.: AIM $169 (Ammoman includes shipping) I know there's one amo to stay away from, I can't remeber if its the Chilian stuff or Mayasian.. or something different. Any sugestions? __________________ Bruce J Kansas City BHJohnson.HST@Gmail.com "Although I can accept talking scarecrows, lions and great wizards in emerald cities, I find it hard to believe there is no paperwork involved when your house lands on a witch."

October 22, 2000, 10:44	#2
Master Blaster Registered FALaholic #: 946 Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 688	I have had good success with CAI recently buying Radway Green 7.62 X 51 Ball at $129.00 per thousand rounds delivered. Call Steve Carson, he's the rep that I have been dealing with. __________________ The original Master Blaster! Not to be confused with Master_Blaster # 7285, and MasterBlaster # 10009.

October 22, 2000, 12:55	#4
Bruce J Registered FALaholic #: 102 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Linwood Kansas USA Posts: 781	I was going to buy at least a case. Do you think there are discounts on larger orders? I always thoguth RG was underpowered. I coudl go for the Hert though unless the other Protugese was just as good. Let me know if you discover discounts on larger orders and it only makes sense to go in on it. __________________ Bruce J Kansas City BHJohnson.HST@Gmail.com "Although I can accept talking scarecrows, lions and great wizards in emerald cities, I find it hard to believe there is no paperwork involved when your house lands on a witch."

October 22, 2000, 14:54	#5
DABTL Registered FALaholic #: 138 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Texas Posts: 31,459	Bruce: the one to stay away from is Chilean. It repudedly explodes in the magazine. I have shot CAVIM, Venezuelan, in my FAL with the only downside being it is somewhat dirty in 308. The CAVIM 308 will bring a G3 to a halt in about 6 rounds. CAVIM 30-06 is another story. It is a swell buy and safe for M1s and other semiauto and bolt guns. We tested the linked and it is low pressure enough for semis. __________________ "The work begins anew, the hope rises again, and the dream lives on." Ted Kennedy 2008

October 22, 2000, 15:10	#7
Farmer from Hell Registered FALaholic #: 171 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: The "free" state Maryland Posts: 1,751	I have been shooting the SA stuff from AIM and it seems to be fine and it's pretty affordable. FfH __________________ Its good to be alive and not crappin in a bag. Anthony Bourdain Nothing says "Obey Me" like a bloody head on a fence post. Stewie Griffin "Family Guy" The trouble with the world is that everybody in it is about three drinks behind. Humphrey Bogart Mason Dixon FAL Collectors Association

October 22, 2000, 11:25	#3
cvl engr Registered FALaholic #: 1242 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: mo. Posts: 16	After the shoot Sat. I contemplated asking to see if any KC shooters want to go in together on a large purchase. CAI still has RG 7.62x51 and SA PMP 5.56 for 129/ case delivered. I am leaning towards the Hirtenberger though.

October 22, 2000, 14:57	#6
Fal-fan Registered FALaholic #: 205 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Kansas Posts: 12	Hirt, Hirt and more Hirt. Great ammo, IMHO. Clean, consistant and dead-on.

October 22, 2000, 15:48	#8
archy Registered FALaholic #: 533 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: 82701 Posts: 2,315	I prefer the Radway Green for use with original inch-pattern barrels or for other Commonwealth equipment [Bren; L42A1 sniper's rifle] with the barrel twist and configuration meant to be used with the 144-grain bullet of the Radway Green and Malaysian L2A2 ammo fairly available at present. As noted, it may require opening the gas adjustment one position further, and metric-pattern FAL sights may not be spot-on for the trajectory of the Brit ammo. The Hirtenbirger ammo has given me very acceptable results, and I hope to be giving some more a try shortly after a certain Christmas present gets delivered. Something else worth trying if you can find it, though at $1 per round or so, it's not exactly plinking ammo: the Remington .308 Accellerator cartridge, with a 55-grain .224 bullet in a .30 caliber sabot. These little jewels move out at around 4000 FPS, though lately, it's been the .30-06 version that's turning up on my local gunshop ammo shelves. -archy-/- __________________ Says James: "In my opinion, there's nothing in this world Beats a '52 Vincent and a red headed girl. Now Nortons and Indians and Greeves just won't do, Ah, they don't have a soul like a Vincent '52" -Richard John Thompson 1952 Vincent Black Lightning

October 22, 2000, 19:12	#9
yorick Registered FALaholic #: 299 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: upper midwest Posts: 84	Hirt! See pic I posted in 'smithing section

October 22, 2000, 19:13	#10
JohnnyMac Veteran Member Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 365 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Commonwealth of Virginia, CSA Posts: 1,775	Unless your CAI rep is cutting you special deals, the RG special ($129/k) is now over. I called them last Monday to get a case, but it was now $149/k, delivered (Still agood buy, BTW). I had passed on a case of RG for $145 at a gunshow 10/14. Picked some up today at another gun-show for $145/k. Same vendor had Hirtenberger for $165/k, and battle-packed SA for $179/k. Thought about getting the SA (same $/rd), but the case was a mix of different manufacture dates ('78-83), so I stuck with RG. Also got some 1983 Hirtenberger 7.62x51 tracer rounds for $7.99/30 rds. Hope at least some of them actually light! JMc __________________ "Buy all the beans, bullets, and band-aids you can afford boys. It's no longer a question of "IF", it's now only a question of "WHEN"."

October 22, 2000, 19:22	#11
BUFF Old Fart Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 789 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 7,139	The RG may seem less powerful but it is not. It is NATO mil-spec. If it was reloadable, for $130-150/1,000 delivered, it would be perfect, in my mind. Hirtenberger at $165/1,000 delivered, or if you can find it at a gun show for that price, will give you reloadable brass cases for 1.5 cents each. It is as good as ammo as the RG, in my opinion, as is the Portuguses FMN. You cannot go wrong with any of those three, IMHO. BUFF __________________ BUFF

October 22, 2000, 20:10	#12
cvl engr Registered FALaholic #: 1242 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: mo. Posts: 16	JohnnyMac- My brother a C&R FFL holder ordered a couple mausers Thurs. and that was the price they quoted him. I do not know if the were offering him a break? I am going to have him order one of each tommorow if he can still get it at that price. The customer rep. said sale went till end of month.

October 22, 2000, 21:48	#13
Bruce J Registered FALaholic #: 102 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Linwood Kansas USA Posts: 781	Wow! Thanks for all the responses. This helps me straighten things out. Lesson One: No Chilean! (I'm releived to find this out) Lesson Two: RG would be best deal if I can get the super-duper CAI price. I've never shot RG before. Lesson Three: If no deals on RG it's a toss up between the other three. I've shot the Port and the Hert, but not the S.A. so maybe I'll buy one S.A. and one case of Hert just to experiment. Between the two, they average out to two cases of Port! [This message has been edited by Bruce J (edited October 22, 2000).] __________________ Bruce J Kansas City BHJohnson.HST@Gmail.com "Although I can accept talking scarecrows, lions and great wizards in emerald cities, I find it hard to believe there is no paperwork involved when your house lands on a witch."

October 23, 2000, 19:29	#14
cvl engr Registered FALaholic #: 1242 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: mo. Posts: 16	today, 10/23/00 my brother ordered for me case RG-$129, case PMP $129, case of 1400 turk 8x57 mauser Corr, on strippers in bandoliers(great for those incredibly cheap mausers)$99.40, all prices are shipped (the shipping wt on 8x57 is 100lbs, if I remember right) Bruce J-email me if you can't get CAI to deal with you, I am going to order more after I balance the checkbook [This message has been edited by cvl engr (edited October 23, 2000).]

November 12, 2007, 18:15	#15
gunner30 Registered FALaholic #: 22242 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 2,278	Bump--- for memories of olden daze __________________ Lighten up Francis

November 12, 2007, 18:37	#17
English Mike Banned TROLL FALaholic #: 11339 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Whitehaven, England Posts: 13,425	Some people are plain evil - SA cost me $200/1260 all of 18 months ago.

November 12, 2007, 18:44	#18
2 clicks low Registered FALaholic #: 3173 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Nebraska Posts: 922	When I read a post and something is not right, I look at the day of the post!

November 17, 2007, 11:55	#19
GreyMan Registered FALaholic #: 10254 Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 44	It's difficult to even post through these tears of regret...I COULD have afforded a few more cases 7 years ago. I really could have... Stay Safe, AGreyMan

November 17, 2007, 12:13	#20
ammolab Registered FALaholic #: 10923 Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,688	Suggestions????? I have one! GET A TIME MACHINE!!!

November 18, 2007, 10:32	#21
mnhornet Registered FALaholic #: 24620 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: mn Posts: 262	+1 on the time machine, had I known $45 on a SA battle pack would become a screaming good deal I would have bought the guy out.

November 20, 2007, 14:44	#24
jefferyc22 Banned FALaholic #: 18245 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: PNW Posts: 3,447	This makes me depressed and want to throw up all at the same time. Back when 7.62 was fun....................

November 21, 2007, 07:44	#25
Groucho Registered FALaholic #: 6095 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,964	I remember somebody posting a few years ago that we were in the good old days of ammo and we should buy all we could. I did. But I couldn't buy enough. Of course, one can NEVER have "enough" ammo. Groucho __________________ "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

November 21, 2007, 08:23	#26
Oswald2001 Registered FALaholic #: 15100 Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 475	These are still the good old days for 5.45 x 39 surplus. __________________ "Go sell crazy somewhere else... we're all stocked up here."

November 25, 2007, 21:50	#27
azski Registered FALaholic #: 1968 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Chander, AZ. USA Posts: 237	Yep. At my first Phoenix Show I bought a green case of Portuguese .308 (I think it held somnething like 1200 rounds) for $159 and thought I got taken! I was with panchop at another Show when he sold a few guns and used the cash to buy ammo. He bought 5,000 rounds of Portuguese in the wooden cases! I thought to myself that he was wasting his money because a gun lasts forever but ammo is gone as soon as you shoot it. I was over his house a month ago and he still had a few of those csses left! Just 2 of them now will equal what he apid for all 5 of them then! I wonder what we will be saying in the next few years? I sure hope it isn't "Remember when you could get .308 for only 50 cents a round?"!! azski __________________ AZSKI.COM

November 26, 2007, 23:44	#28
Cliff M Registered FALaholic #: 337 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: USA Posts: 280	Then and Now Reload

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