Will 7.62NATO penetrate this? (pic)

M77B1 · January 28, 2001, 14:18

Place your bets,gentleman; I'm going to the range and put a Portugese FNM 7.62x51 147gr. FMJ NATO spec military surplus round (made in 1976) into this block of phone books at 200 yards with my Vepr (20.5" barrel).

The block is nice and tight and comes to 13 inches in thickness; I'll set it on the ground up against a solid support.

I'll post the results with pics tonight or tommorrow.

**EMDII** · January 28, 2001, 14:41

Yup!

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DJ · January 28, 2001, 14:42

I'm bettin it does.......

Icarus · January 28, 2001, 16:23

Well why don't you have a Cornelia phone book in the stack?

Yeah it'll go through.

CSAcavalry · January 28, 2001, 16:28

Yep. But what if it was wet?

jon coppenbarger · January 28, 2001, 20:20

yes it should. it will resemble shermans march all over again. try it with a tracer?

CSAcavalry · January 28, 2001, 21:01

Jon, now thats an idea, I've got a few tracers laying around here somewhere.
But our phonebooks aint near that thick

JoeG · January 28, 2001, 21:01

I will say no, however it will be close.

cvl engr · January 28, 2001, 21:03

one word-yes

cvl engr · January 28, 2001, 21:09

to give you a idea of the penetrating power of a .308, several years ago I took my issued, match conditioned M-14 to a IPSC 3-gun match. On the rifle stage someone accidently put up T-1 steel(pistol only),3/8th thick pepper popper targets at 300 yds. Burned a hole through every one.

jon coppenbarger · January 28, 2001, 23:03

I don't think it will have any problem. have not tried shooting 30.cal threw much but targets and game but took a auto ordnance semi thompson in 45. just playing around and shot a few rounds threw some pretty thick pine pole fence post one time and you could not drill a hole any cleaner. after that 45.cal has always been my favorite. saw a tape a few years ago about what certain ammo does. most of the fmj rifle ammo went right threw both sides of a car but man if you want some penetration try a 12ga. with slugs. went threw one side of that car and right threw the other side. did not even try to stop. there goes that ideal to build one room of my house as a bunker with the old phone books that are being replaced right now. wow!! let me know what happens.

KeythL · January 28, 2001, 23:20

I don't think it will, I've used phone books before (7 I think) and they were able to stop a 200gr JHP at point blank range (pistol vs rifle cartrige I know) my "money" is on the phone books (at least on the first shot).

What's the BC on the 147gr .30? is it going to tumble on impact?

Keyth

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shot out · January 28, 2001, 23:40

I don't know, I think it will be close either way.
I once thought I would use a phonebook for a a bullet stop, boy was I wrong!
My S&W 45 went right thru all 3 1/2 inches of a Tampa yellow pages and ricocheted off
a cement wall!
That was back when I was a kid and did not have the respect for firearms that I do now.

M77B1 · January 29, 2001, 06:39

Okay,here's the results:

First,I'm proud to say that I nailed the block of phone books with my first shot two inches from dead center using the iron sights of my Vepr. In other words,I got lucky.

To reiterate,range was 200 yards,ammo was FNM 147gr.FMJ ball(1976),barrel of Vepr is 20.5".

Bullet penetrated about 10 inches before stopping (using the pic at the top of this post as a guide,bullet entered at the top and stopped just short of exiting the sixth book).

It started to tumble between 4 and 5 inches into the block. By the time it stopped it had rotated more than 90 degrees. Significant flattening occurred from the base 1/2 way up the bullet. Bullet bent considerably,cracking the jacket about a 1/3 of the way up from the base.

I'm guessing it would have easily penetrated the whole block at 100 yards.

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Scott S · January 29, 2001, 09:45

Cool test and documentation. Thanks for taking the time to do pictures and post the results.

**EMDII** · January 29, 2001, 10:12

Damn- we coulda told you not to step out in front of one!

Still, fun to find out. I hain't never done that particular test.

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1*.....Train Like You Fight: Second Place is NOT an Option.

E.M. (Ted) Dannemiller II

R4 fan · January 29, 2001, 10:22

Did you notice that the bullet stopped right near Clinton?

Coincidence, or not?

CSAcavalry · January 29, 2001, 17:48

Great test and report, now wet the books and
shoot them with a soft point and
HPBT match and let us know, if you can?

I have heard that wet they will nearly match a gelatin test.?
CScav

JoeG · January 29, 2001, 21:05

M77B1, cool test. I hope I didn't win the shot up phone books!

January 28, 2001, 14:18	#1
M77B1 Registered FALaholic #: 560 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Georgia,C.S.A. Posts: 126	Will 7.62NATO penetrate this? (pic) Place your bets,gentleman; I'm going to the range and put a Portugese FNM 7.62x51 147gr. FMJ NATO spec military surplus round (made in 1976) into this block of phone books at 200 yards with my Vepr (20.5" barrel). The block is nice and tight and comes to 13 inches in thickness; I'll set it on the ground up against a solid support. I'll post the results with pics tonight or tommorrow.

January 28, 2001, 14:41	#2
EMDII Evil Moderator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 6 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Kennesaw, GA Posts: 13,971	Yup! ------------------ 1.....Train Like You Fight: Second Place is NOT an Option. E.M. (Ted) Dannemiller II __________________ "The Spartans do not enquire how many enemy there are. The SPartans merely enquire WHERE they are." E.M. (Ted) Dannemiller II 1

January 28, 2001, 14:42	#3
DJ Registered FALaholic #: 126 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Brookville Pa Posts: 2,130	I'm bettin it does....... __________________ *Proud Air Force dad* I'm a "barbarian" and I VOTE! "He might have gone on livin' but he made one fatal slip, he tried to match the Ranger with the Big Iron on his hip." Marty Robbins, "Big Iron"

January 28, 2001, 16:23	#4
Icarus Registered FALaholic #: 1053 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: GA Posts: 314	Well why don't you have a Cornelia phone book in the stack? Yeah it'll go through. __________________ "Beer is proof that God loves us, and wants us to be happy".....Ben Franklin

January 28, 2001, 16:28	#5
CSAcavalry Registered FALaholic #: 1888 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Check, VA, CSA Posts: 36	Yep. But what if it was wet? __________________ "We are the last of our race. Let us be the best as well." --- Gen. Joseph O. Shelby, CSA

January 28, 2001, 20:20	#6
jon coppenbarger Registered FALaholic #: 1924 Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 276	yes it should. it will resemble shermans march all over again. try it with a tracer?

January 28, 2001, 21:01	#7
CSAcavalry Registered FALaholic #: 1888 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Check, VA, CSA Posts: 36	Jon, now thats an idea, I've got a few tracers laying around here somewhere. But our phonebooks aint near that thick __________________ "We are the last of our race. Let us be the best as well." --- Gen. Joseph O. Shelby, CSA

January 28, 2001, 21:01	#8
JoeG Registered FALaholic #: 326 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: US Posts: 17	I will say no, however it will be close.

January 28, 2001, 21:03	#9
cvl engr Registered FALaholic #: 1242 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: mo. Posts: 16	one word-yes

January 28, 2001, 21:09	#10
cvl engr Registered FALaholic #: 1242 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: mo. Posts: 16	to give you a idea of the penetrating power of a .308, several years ago I took my issued, match conditioned M-14 to a IPSC 3-gun match. On the rifle stage someone accidently put up T-1 steel(pistol only),3/8th thick pepper popper targets at 300 yds. Burned a hole through every one.

January 28, 2001, 23:03	#11
jon coppenbarger Registered FALaholic #: 1924 Join Date: Dec 2000 Posts: 276	I don't think it will have any problem. have not tried shooting 30.cal threw much but targets and game but took a auto ordnance semi thompson in 45. just playing around and shot a few rounds threw some pretty thick pine pole fence post one time and you could not drill a hole any cleaner. after that 45.cal has always been my favorite. saw a tape a few years ago about what certain ammo does. most of the fmj rifle ammo went right threw both sides of a car but man if you want some penetration try a 12ga. with slugs. went threw one side of that car and right threw the other side. did not even try to stop. there goes that ideal to build one room of my house as a bunker with the old phone books that are being replaced right now. wow!! let me know what happens.

January 28, 2001, 23:20	#12
KeythL Registered FALaholic #: 2407 Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 51	I don't think it will, I've used phone books before (7 I think) and they were able to stop a 200gr JHP at point blank range (pistol vs rifle cartrige I know) my "money" is on the phone books (at least on the first shot). What's the BC on the 147gr .30? is it going to tumble on impact? Keyth [This message has been edited by KeythL (edited January 29, 2001).] [This message has been edited by KeythL (edited January 29, 2001).] __________________ Ask me about the Mason Dixon FAL Collectors Association

January 28, 2001, 23:40	#13
shot out Registered FALaholic #: 2283 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brandon,fl.usa Posts: 11	I don't know, I think it will be close either way. I once thought I would use a phonebook for a a bullet stop, boy was I wrong! My S&W 45 went right thru all 3 1/2 inches of a Tampa yellow pages and ricocheted off a cement wall! That was back when I was a kid and did not have the respect for firearms that I do now. __________________ "Because it is the right we turn to when all else fails." —Charleton Heston, 1997

January 29, 2001, 06:39	#14
M77B1 Registered FALaholic #: 560 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Georgia,C.S.A. Posts: 126	Okay,here's the results: First,I'm proud to say that I nailed the block of phone books with my first shot two inches from dead center using the iron sights of my Vepr. In other words,I got lucky. To reiterate,range was 200 yards,ammo was FNM 147gr.FMJ ball(1976),barrel of Vepr is 20.5". Bullet penetrated about 10 inches before stopping (using the pic at the top of this post as a guide,bullet entered at the top and stopped just short of exiting the sixth book). It started to tumble between 4 and 5 inches into the block. By the time it stopped it had rotated more than 90 degrees. Significant flattening occurred from the base 1/2 way up the bullet. Bullet bent considerably,cracking the jacket about a 1/3 of the way up from the base. I'm guessing it would have easily penetrated the whole block at 100 yards. [This message has been edited by M77B1 (edited January 30, 2001).]

January 29, 2001, 09:45	#15
Scott S Registered FALaholic #: 355 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 3,412	Cool test and documentation. Thanks for taking the time to do pictures and post the results.

January 29, 2001, 10:12	#16
EMDII Evil Moderator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 6 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Kennesaw, GA Posts: 13,971	Damn- we coulda told you not to step out in front of one! Still, fun to find out. I hain't never done that particular test. ------------------ 1.....Train Like You Fight: Second Place is NOT an Option. E.M. (Ted) Dannemiller II __________________ "The Spartans do not enquire how many enemy there are. The SPartans merely enquire WHERE they are." E.M. (Ted) Dannemiller II 1

January 29, 2001, 10:22	#17
R4 fan Registered FALaholic #: 1442 Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 1,581	Did you notice that the bullet stopped right near Clinton? Coincidence, or not? __________________ Are you a good person? http://www.whatstandard.com http://www.goodpersontest.com

January 29, 2001, 17:48	#18
CSAcavalry Registered FALaholic #: 1888 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Check, VA, CSA Posts: 36	Great test and report, now wet the books and shoot them with a soft point and HPBT match and let us know, if you can? I have heard that wet they will nearly match a gelatin test.? CScav __________________ "We are the last of our race. Let us be the best as well." --- Gen. Joseph O. Shelby, CSA

January 29, 2001, 21:05	#19
JoeG Registered FALaholic #: 326 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: US Posts: 17	M77B1, cool test. I hope I didn't win the shot up phone books!

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