Build parts and 922r

dpowers · March 30, 2008, 21:50

I understand that I can't have more than 10 parts of my FAL that are imported. I have looked for a list and haven't found one that I can difinitely check off for my build.

when I first started looking at FALs the AWB was still in effect. At that time you couldn't have a FS and other "evil" features.

What can I have on my rifle and what can't I have? I have one of Dan's Imbel Kits and am building on a DSA receiver.

I want to replace the muzzle device but don't know if I can add a FS such as a Vortex or one of the YHM Phantoms ( http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ARR2852-63742-1886.html ).

MY gunsmith is telling me that some screws are considered to be a US compliance part and that he isn't sure if the Imbel Muzzle device will be legal or not.

I know that there is a list of parts and replacing specific ones will keep my compliant.

There are no state or local regs/laws that will affect my build.

USMC 0341 · March 30, 2008, 23:12

Here's a link for you :

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wba...i_auto_faq.txt

Here' s the list of parts (notice no screws here):

* (1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or
stampings
* (2) Barrels
(3) Barrel extensions
(4) Mounting blocks (trunions)
* (5) Muzzle attachments
* (6) Bolts
* (7) Bolt carriers
* (8) Operating rods
* (9) Gas pistons
* (10) Trigger housings
* (11) Triggers
* (12) Hammers
* (13) Sears
(14) Disconnectors
* (15) Buttstocks
* (16) Pistol grips
* (17) Forearm handguards
* (18) Magazine bodies
* (19) Followers
* (20) Floorplates

I've put an asterisks (*) beside the parts which apply to the FAL. You can have up to but no more than 10 of these parts.

Of these the (8) Operating rods and (10) Trigger housings can be confusing. The BATF has ruled that the charging handle is an operating rod and the lower receiver is a trigger housing.

**Brush511** · March 30, 2008, 23:21

To add to USMC 0341's post, here is a list of the 17 evil parts found on FALs. Read post #14. You may have NO MORE than 10.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...=compliance%2A

powermad · March 31, 2008, 01:11

Where you live dictates the rules on the muzzle thingy.
But for most places it does not have to be permanently attached and you can use the original one provided you can meet the parts count.

As for the screw.. he is prolly talking about using a pin to permanently attach the muzzle thingy. If that is a requirement of your state.

powermad · March 31, 2008, 02:08

As far as 922 parts..
1. receiver
3. hammer, trigger and sear
1. saw grip
1. gas piston
1. Flash hider
_____________
7 parts

Clark · April 01, 2008, 21:03

Doesn't the law say "manufacture" and not "have"?

USMC 0341 · April 01, 2008, 23:03

Yes, the law says "manufacture". So if you get caught with a non-compliant rifle, and they don't care to attempt to prove you did the "manufacturing", they will simply confiscate the rifle as contriband.

So far, the risk of being prosecuted for "manufacturing" seems to be rather low. That is the case up to now. Next year? Who knows.

Either way, it isn't worth the risk to me to be exposed to having any rifle confiscated when it is so easy to follow the law.

Clark · April 02, 2008, 01:32

I see non compliant semi autos for sale on public display everywhere.

I never see non compliant full auto of suppressed on display.

It took me a while to figure out why.

Not as long as it took me to figure out why beer goes in yellow and comes out clear, and yet water goes in clear and comes out yellow.

gunnut1 · April 02, 2008, 08:23

Quote:

Originally posted by USMC 0341
Yes, the law says "manufacture". So if you get caught with a non-compliant rifle, and they don't care to attempt to prove you did the "manufacturing", they will simply confiscate the rifle as contriband.

So far, the risk of being prosecuted for "manufacturing" seems to be rather low. That is the case up to now. Next year? Who knows.

Either way, it isn't worth the risk to me to be exposed to having any rifle confiscated when it is so easy to follow the law.

If you get "caught" with a non compliant rifle, you have way bigger problems.

Radio · April 02, 2008, 17:39

Quote:

Originally posted by dpowers
MY gunsmith is telling me that some screws are considered to be a US compliance part...

Your gunsmith doesn't have a freakin' clue. If he is that totally out of touch he's a clown. Would be even worse if he's bullshitting you on purpose for whatever reason, given the potentially serious nature of this deal. Can't you find somebody in your area who's a bit better educated?

Compliance with 922r involves ONLY the parts mentioned by USMC 0341. NO OTHERS, PERIOD.

Why don't you tell your gunsmith you bought a Wolff spring replacement kit and now have enough compliance parts to properly meet 922r, and see what he says in reply.

--Radio

March 30, 2008, 23:21	#3
Brush511 Senior Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 15553 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: WA Posts: 576	To add to USMC 0341's post, here is a list of the 17 evil parts found on FALs. Read post #14. You may have NO MORE than 10. http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...=compliance%2A __________________ Dave Greag Dbubh Chlann Chatain Na bean do'n chat gun lamnainn! "Don't trust food sold by a French looking ghey assclown, who puts special sauce on imitation hamburgers, and hangs out with friends that look like escapees from a deranged, acid induced nightmare." CRShooter32

April 01, 2008, 21:03	#6
Clark Registered FALaholic #: 1213 Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 750	Doesn't the law say "manufacture" and not "have"? __________________ No technical content or wit in your rude post... no response from me....I'll give the last word to a turd.

April 02, 2008, 01:32	#8
Clark Registered FALaholic #: 1213 Join Date: Oct 2000 Posts: 750	I see non compliant semi autos for sale on public display everywhere. I never see non compliant full auto of suppressed on display. It took me a while to figure out why. Not as long as it took me to figure out why beer goes in yellow and comes out clear, and yet water goes in clear and comes out yellow. __________________ No technical content or wit in your rude post... no response from me....I'll give the last word to a turd.

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March 30, 2008, 21:50	#1
dpowers Registered FALaholic #: 12179 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: AL Posts: 38	Build parts and 922r I understand that I can't have more than 10 parts of my FAL that are imported. I have looked for a list and haven't found one that I can difinitely check off for my build. when I first started looking at FALs the AWB was still in effect. At that time you couldn't have a FS and other "evil" features. What can I have on my rifle and what can't I have? I have one of Dan's Imbel Kits and am building on a DSA receiver. I want to replace the muzzle device but don't know if I can add a FS such as a Vortex or one of the YHM Phantoms ( http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ARR2852-63742-1886.html ). MY gunsmith is telling me that some screws are considered to be a US compliance part and that he isn't sure if the Imbel Muzzle device will be legal or not. I know that there is a list of parts and replacing specific ones will keep my compliant. There are no state or local regs/laws that will affect my build.

March 30, 2008, 23:12	#2
USMC 0341 Registered FALaholic #: 988 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: gpne Posts: 2,451	Here's a link for you : http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wba...i_auto_faq.txt Here' s the list of parts (notice no screws here): * (1) Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings * (2) Barrels (3) Barrel extensions (4) Mounting blocks (trunions) * (5) Muzzle attachments * (6) Bolts * (7) Bolt carriers * (8) Operating rods * (9) Gas pistons * (10) Trigger housings * (11) Triggers * (12) Hammers * (13) Sears (14) Disconnectors * (15) Buttstocks * (16) Pistol grips * (17) Forearm handguards * (18) Magazine bodies * (19) Followers * (20) Floorplates I've put an asterisks (*) beside the parts which apply to the FAL. You can have up to but no more than 10 of these parts. Of these the (8) Operating rods and (10) Trigger housings can be confusing. The BATF has ruled that the charging handle is an operating rod and the lower receiver is a trigger housing.

March 31, 2008, 01:11	#4
powermad Registered FALaholic #: 21150 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,216	Where you live dictates the rules on the muzzle thingy. But for most places it does not have to be permanently attached and you can use the original one provided you can meet the parts count. As for the screw.. he is prolly talking about using a pin to permanently attach the muzzle thingy. If that is a requirement of your state.

March 31, 2008, 02:08	#5
powermad Registered FALaholic #: 21150 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 1,216	As far as 922 parts.. 1. receiver 3. hammer, trigger and sear 1. saw grip 1. gas piston 1. Flash hider _____________ 7 parts

April 01, 2008, 23:03	#7
USMC 0341 Registered FALaholic #: 988 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: gpne Posts: 2,451	Yes, the law says "manufacture". So if you get caught with a non-compliant rifle, and they don't care to attempt to prove you did the "manufacturing", they will simply confiscate the rifle as contriband. So far, the risk of being prosecuted for "manufacturing" seems to be rather low. That is the case up to now. Next year? Who knows. Either way, it isn't worth the risk to me to be exposed to having any rifle confiscated when it is so easy to follow the law.