WTK: How is Wolf (Russian) ammo??

Celt · September 16, 2001, 23:28

Specifically 5.56 and .45 ACP.

Thanks.

fenian15 · September 17, 2001, 00:22

Don't know about the .45, but I've shot thousands of rounds of Wolf 5.56 in my SAR 3 and my AR. I've never had a FTF, and I find it surprisingly clean. As long as you're not rapid/full auto firing hundreds of rounds at a time, it'll be fine in an AR. The SAR 3 eats this stuff for breakfast hehehe. Wolf 5.56 is nice and cheap, too.

That's the good news...the bad news is that it's not particularly accurate. Best I can do with the AR is about 6" groups at 100 yards. By comparison, the same rifle will do 2 1/2" groups with South African surplus ammo...but the SA is hideously dirty compared to the Wolf.

If you're just plinking, and want some good cheap ammo to sling downrange, by all means use the Wolf.

[ September 17, 2001: Message edited by: fenian15 ]

BKinzey · September 17, 2001, 00:45

I don't want to shoot steel cased ammo through my guns, maybe if I had some old beater I would.

fenian15 says he's shot thousands of rounds. I personally haven't shot any but I have heard lots of bad stuff about Wolf Ammo.

Sophicles · September 17, 2001, 00:55

Ive shot some through my 1911. No hiccups yet...a little on the dirty side, but otherwise OK.

blackboots · September 17, 2001, 01:34

Been fine in my SKS and the few AK's I've ran it in. It's the same russian I used to get in the plain white boxes that said "for hunting use" or something like that, just packaged in a more consumer opriented fashion I think.

FYI, the steel case is for the SKS and AK, the extraction on those is a little on the violent side and can rip brass apart....

**EMDII** · September 17, 2001, 07:07

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vfrdirk · September 17, 2001, 07:15

I shoot Wolf 9mm, 5.56, and 7.62x39 adn have had no problems. Plenty of guys have complained about cases sticking in the chambers of their AR's from the laquer which is painted on at the factory. Personally, I don't leave rounds in the chamber of a hot rifle, which is how the laquer softens up and sticks to the chamber walls.

Thousands of rounds of Wolf out and no problems to report. Spent a 4 day weekend at Front Sight with my Glock and 600 rounds of Wolf 9mm without a single failure. I got laughed at when I went to the GSSF match with Wolf, but I witnessed several other failures with so-called 'good' ammo and had none myself.

Dirk

Southern Raider · September 17, 2001, 08:42

Quote:

Originally posted by vfrdirk:
Plenty of guys have complained about cases sticking in the chambers of their AR's from the laquer which is painted on at the factory. Personally, I don't leave rounds in the chamber of a hot rifle, which is how the laquer softens up and sticks to the chamber walls.

I have a Bushmaster M17S bullpup which I took to the range. After putting 250 rounds of brass cased ammo through it without problem, somebody asked to try my rifle. I told them if they supplied ammo, to go ahead as I was out. They put Wolf into the rifle and it jammed up instantly. It's not necessary to leave it in a hot rifle.

Timber Wolf · September 17, 2001, 09:43

Have shot several hundred rounds of the .223 in an SAR-3 and it functioned 100%. Accuracy is acceptable for this gun, sights, and my eyes. I do not use it in anything but the SAR-3. As a matter of fact I have not used any brass cased ammo in SAR either.

TooTech · September 17, 2001, 16:39

I started a thread not too long ago about a bad experience with Wolf .45 ACP.

I had a round that failed to chamber and jammed the slide on my Para P13 about 1/8 inch out of battery. Slide wouldn't go forward and wouldn't retract. The gun started out nice and clean. The jam happened about 40 rounds into a 50-round box. I was shooting at a nice even pace so heat should not have been a problem.

Had to place the front edge of the slide on a piece of wood and smack the grip with the palm of my hand to get the ^&*() slide to retract.

Patty · September 17, 2001, 16:55

Have used 1000 rnds Wolf thru the SKS and found it cheap (8 cents/rnd), consistent, pretty accurate, but dirty as hell and stinky. I shoot alot of it off hand for practice out of the SKS and I am glad to be able to shoot a .30 cal round out of a decent rifle for an affordable price. The HP and FMJ seem to shoot about the same. The only drawback is that the rifle needs a good scrubbing after a session. But that is easy on the SKS.

Just FYI, Bushmaster does not recommend steel cased ammo for their rifles (prolly for any alum rec) as it is hard on the rifle and will wear it out prematurely. Thats what they told me.

Viking Warrior · September 17, 2001, 18:19

Steel cases cause some problems, Russian guns are designed to use steel, U.S. weapons are designed to use brass.

skfullgun · September 17, 2001, 23:38

I have fired 1,000's and 1,000's of Wolf in 9mm and 7.62x39. Am very pleased with it. In fact, I used it for my recent requalification for my Concealed Carry Lisence in my Colt, Series 70, 1911. No problems and very reasonable. Try a few hundred rounds and decide for yourself.

IronHands · September 18, 2001, 16:07

I have not had any problems with Wolf.I have only shot the 5.56 throuhg my Bushy M4.I shot rapid fire to the point the front end of the weapon was smoking through the hand guards real bad,the rifle never failed!
I have not heard too many bad reports when the Bushy and Colt were used.I like it and will buy more.

Cetme308 · September 18, 2001, 17:32

I love the stuff... cant get enough of it.. use it in all my guns..... Mosin Nagants.... Romanian AK's ... ... cept for my CETME... but ill use it if they get it out sometime soon

September 16, 2001, 23:28	#1
Celt Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 415 Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 720	WTK: How is Wolf (Russian) ammo?? Specifically 5.56 and .45 ACP. Thanks.

September 17, 2001, 00:22	#2
fenian15 Registered FALaholic #: 3470 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: VA, USA Posts: 173	Don't know about the .45, but I've shot thousands of rounds of Wolf 5.56 in my SAR 3 and my AR. I've never had a FTF, and I find it surprisingly clean. As long as you're not rapid/full auto firing hundreds of rounds at a time, it'll be fine in an AR. The SAR 3 eats this stuff for breakfast hehehe. Wolf 5.56 is nice and cheap, too. That's the good news...the bad news is that it's not particularly accurate. Best I can do with the AR is about 6" groups at 100 yards. By comparison, the same rifle will do 2 1/2" groups with South African surplus ammo...but the SA is hideously dirty compared to the Wolf. If you're just plinking, and want some good cheap ammo to sling downrange, by all means use the Wolf. [ September 17, 2001: Message edited by: fenian15 ] __________________ "Who dares to say, "forget the past", to men of Irish spirit? Who dares to say, "cease fighting" for our place upon this earth? Let rememberance be our watchword, and our dead we'll never fail... Let their graves be as milestones on this one way bloody trail." "Is cuma a mhairimse ach ló 'gus oíche, ach clú 'gus cáil ar m'éachtaí."

September 17, 2001, 00:45	#3
BKinzey Registered FALaholic #: 3860 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 473	I don't want to shoot steel cased ammo through my guns, maybe if I had some old beater I would. fenian15 says he's shot thousands of rounds. I personally haven't shot any but I have heard lots of bad stuff about Wolf Ammo. __________________ A firearm is not a weapon until used as such. A firearm is a tool. Any tool can be used as a weapon.

September 17, 2001, 07:07	#6
EMDII Evil Moderator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 6 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Kennesaw, GA Posts: 13,971	Living in Ammunition Forum now. __________________ "The Spartans do not enquire how many enemy there are. The SPartans merely enquire WHERE they are." E.M. (Ted) Dannemiller II 1*

September 17, 2001, 09:43	#9
Timber Wolf Registered FALaholic #: 805 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Southern U.S. Posts: 2,801	Have shot several hundred rounds of the .223 in an SAR-3 and it functioned 100%. Accuracy is acceptable for this gun, sights, and my eyes. I do not use it in anything but the SAR-3. As a matter of fact I have not used any brass cased ammo in SAR either. __________________ First rule of gun fighting: "have a gun!" "Guns don't kill people. Daddys with good looking daughters do!"

September 17, 2001, 00:55	#4
Sophicles Registered FALaholic #: 976 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: NC Posts: 1,503	Ive shot some through my 1911. No hiccups yet...a little on the dirty side, but otherwise OK.

September 17, 2001, 01:34	#5
blackboots Registered FALaholic #: 2174 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Rocky Mount N.C. Posts: 37	Been fine in my SKS and the few AK's I've ran it in. It's the same russian I used to get in the plain white boxes that said "for hunting use" or something like that, just packaged in a more consumer opriented fashion I think. FYI, the steel case is for the SKS and AK, the extraction on those is a little on the violent side and can rip brass apart....

September 17, 2001, 07:15	#7
vfrdirk Registered FALaholic #: 1563 Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 223	I shoot Wolf 9mm, 5.56, and 7.62x39 adn have had no problems. Plenty of guys have complained about cases sticking in the chambers of their AR's from the laquer which is painted on at the factory. Personally, I don't leave rounds in the chamber of a hot rifle, which is how the laquer softens up and sticks to the chamber walls. Thousands of rounds of Wolf out and no problems to report. Spent a 4 day weekend at Front Sight with my Glock and 600 rounds of Wolf 9mm without a single failure. I got laughed at when I went to the GSSF match with Wolf, but I witnessed several other failures with so-called 'good' ammo and had none myself. Dirk

September 17, 2001, 16:39	#10
TooTech Registered FALaholic #: 465 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 569	I started a thread not too long ago about a bad experience with Wolf .45 ACP. I had a round that failed to chamber and jammed the slide on my Para P13 about 1/8 inch out of battery. Slide wouldn't go forward and wouldn't retract. The gun started out nice and clean. The jam happened about 40 rounds into a 50-round box. I was shooting at a nice even pace so heat should not have been a problem. Had to place the front edge of the slide on a piece of wood and smack the grip with the palm of my hand to get the ^&*() slide to retract.

September 17, 2001, 16:55	#11
Patty Registered FALaholic #: 3515 Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 349	Have used 1000 rnds Wolf thru the SKS and found it cheap (8 cents/rnd), consistent, pretty accurate, but dirty as hell and stinky. I shoot alot of it off hand for practice out of the SKS and I am glad to be able to shoot a .30 cal round out of a decent rifle for an affordable price. The HP and FMJ seem to shoot about the same. The only drawback is that the rifle needs a good scrubbing after a session. But that is easy on the SKS. Just FYI, Bushmaster does not recommend steel cased ammo for their rifles (prolly for any alum rec) as it is hard on the rifle and will wear it out prematurely. Thats what they told me.

September 17, 2001, 18:19	#12
Viking Warrior Registered FALaholic #: 1743 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: California, USA Posts: 906	Steel cases cause some problems, Russian guns are designed to use steel, U.S. weapons are designed to use brass. __________________ General Patton's prayer, prepared by Msgr. James H. O'Neill, Chief Chaplain of the Third Army "Almighty and most merciful Father, we humbly beseech Thee, of Thy great goodness, to restrain these immoderate rains with which we have had to contend. Grant us fair weather for Battle. Graciously hearken to us as soldiers who call upon Thee that, armed with Thy power, we may advance from victory to victory, and crush the oppression and wickedness of our enemies and establish Thy justice among men and nations."

September 17, 2001, 23:38	#13
skfullgun Moderator FALaholic #: 3756 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,740	I have fired 1,000's and 1,000's of Wolf in 9mm and 7.62x39. Am very pleased with it. In fact, I used it for my recent requalification for my Concealed Carry Lisence in my Colt, Series 70, 1911. No problems and very reasonable. Try a few hundred rounds and decide for yourself. __________________ I'd like to spit some Beechnut in that dude's eyes, and shoot him with my ole .45!

September 18, 2001, 16:07	#14
IronHands Registered FALaholic #: 3230 Join Date: May 2001 Location: IN,U.S. Posts: 281	I have not had any problems with Wolf.I have only shot the 5.56 throuhg my Bushy M4.I shot rapid fire to the point the front end of the weapon was smoking through the hand guards real bad,the rifle never failed! I have not heard too many bad reports when the Bushy and Colt were used.I like it and will buy more. __________________ AR-10 NUT!

September 18, 2001, 17:32	#15
Cetme308 Registered FALaholic #: 3963 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tallahassee, Florida but im both Danish and Argentine Posts: 161	I love the stuff... cant get enough of it.. use it in all my guns..... Mosin Nagants.... Romanian AK's ... ... cept for my CETME... but ill use it if they get it out sometime soon __________________ waste 'em

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