Carry handle (LB Vs. C2 types) & Hensoldt scope thought.

brownknees · January 25, 2008, 10:51

I was thinking that maybe by replacing the standard carry handle with one from a C2 version I might get enough clearance to use both together, due to the "dogleg" shape of the C2's wire frame. I'm thinking that the extra weight of the bipod up front will neutralize balance point issues.

Has anyone tried this?
I'm not worried about "purity" just function here.
A quick measurement of the clearance needed comes out to 2 1/8" forward movment needed.
Whaddyall think

*Edited for correct definitions*

L/FN · January 25, 2008, 13:00

A std 21" bbl w/ bipod is not near enough weight to balance a forward running carryhandle.

Larry

English Mike · January 25, 2008, 13:32

If the RAF ever finds out you want to actually USE the carry handle....

brownknees · January 25, 2008, 15:06

Quote:

If the RAF ever finds out you want to actually USE the carry handle....

They'd probably do the "4 white feathers" thing

Actually I wonder if they even have the resources to come 'n get me nowadays

Maybe I'm mis-understanding L/FN, but I'm not thinking of reversing the handle, just replacing it with one that is a little further foreward, like the heavy barrel ones where the rod has a step in it.

**J. Armstrong** · January 25, 2008, 16:49

The L shaped handles will go on only one way - well, at least if you want to fold it out of the way. In other words, FALO handles must point forwards, whereas FAL handles must point rearward. As L/FN notes this means a mismatched handle will be useless due to the impalance.
Don't know about the "stepped: handles, but I'll bet it works the same way

L/FN · January 25, 2008, 16:55

You design it, I'll bend it!
Have spring steel rod & furnace on hand.

Larry

Rooster · January 25, 2008, 17:31

BK, I believe you are thinking of the C2 handle

Rooster · January 25, 2008, 17:34

brownknees · January 25, 2008, 17:54

That's the one, Rooster!
How long is the "dogleg"?

If it's under 2 1/8" then I guess the handle itself could be shortened slightly as well.

Larry, if the C2 handle is not going to fit, could you make one the same as the style shown, but with the 2 1/8" dogleg? Or do you think the increased leverage would be a problem.

How much are we talking for custom work here BTW.

I just KNEW someone in FALFiles land would come up with an answer.

Rooster · January 25, 2008, 18:27

Not sure on the dimensions, I just knew what you were talking about and found the picture on the board. Originals are quite spendy.

brownknees · January 25, 2008, 20:28

I can imagine they will be as that's not the most common configuration

Hey thanks for the info anyway, now I know what I'm looking for by the right name at least.
I owe you a

, I'll probably owe you 2 with accrued interest by September

L/FN · January 25, 2008, 22:03

I make a reproduction of the "S" shaped C2 wood gripped carryhandle.
Pic is here:
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...hreadid=191326

I use a number of hand made bending jigs to shape the rod rather than trying to bend the rod from beginning to end on one large complex form. This method "should" allow some alterations.

I can only do wood grips at the moment, but plan on doing various plastic grips in the future.

From the top of the carryhandle mnt'ing slot, the wire goes up 1/2 ", forward 1-1/4", up 1-3/8". All measurements close, but not perfect. With installed grip, you will loose some clearance as well.

I can also use heavier wire for a longer carryhandle too. The wire I use for the C1 & C2 carryhandles are as close as possible to the originals. Israeli HB carryhandle rods are much heavier.

Larry

**KIT** · January 25, 2008, 22:05

The C2 handle works well with optics on the the standard 50.00. The C2 handle 'may' just clear the front of the scope tube depending which STANAG mount and scope combination you use. The balance on this example was quite good. The biggest consideration that you will have is the cost and availability of the C2 handle......unless you are Rooster!!!

-KIT-

brownknees · January 26, 2008, 10:18

Thanks, Kit.
It looks like the Argie one I have is (pretty much) the opposite of the on in your image. Looking at the position of the front of the scope in relation to the ejection port, & the end of the carry handle, mine will be about 1" further to the front than yours is positioned.

brownknees · January 26, 2008, 10:26

Quote:

I can also use heavier wire for a longer carryhandle too. The wire I use for the C1 & C2 carryhandles are as close as possible to the originals. Israeli HB carryhandle rods are much heavier.

Will the heavier wire fit an existing carry slot? Or would either the wire need slimming at this point?

I'm wondering if I could get you to make the wire frame part & leave the handle "empty". All the furniture on my rifle is plastic, so, nice as they are, a wood carry handle would be kind of out of place on it. We might also offend English Mike's sense of what's "Right 'n proper" too.

I could then adulterate your work with a (modified if need be) plastic carry handle & do the final fitting here where I have the rifle & scope.

L/FN · January 26, 2008, 13:26

W/a heavier wire, the receiver's ch slot will stay the same. The heavier wire will support more weight at the bends where the greatest torque is.

Rods will fail under heavy weight in 2 ways. Bend or snap.
I heat treat mine to bend before they snap.

Yes, I can offer a rod by itself.
My wood grips and metal caps are where most of the time is.
Best to lay your FAL on its side on a sheet of paper and draw the shape of the rod you want then mail it to me. You can also simply bend a coat hanger to shape and trace around it or even mail the coat hanger!!

Larry

brownknees · January 26, 2008, 20:19

Thanks, Larry.
I'll get some detailed drawings with dimensions put together tomorrow & send them.
I appreciate the help with this project.
Can you PM me a mailing addy, Please?

L/FN · January 27, 2008, 01:04

10-4
PM sent to you.

Need to LYK that I won't be able to jump on this immediately as there are some other FAL-filers patiently waiting for me to get their projects done.

I do need to make up some more wires when time allows and that would be a good time to make your carryhandle rod.

Thanks
Larry

brownknees · January 27, 2008, 08:33

Got it!
No problem with the time thing.

As I mention in the PM I have two different ideas about how this COULD be done, one being long enough to simply go over the top of the sight, the other being dogleg as we've been discussing.
I'll prototype it out from coat hanger bits, that way I'll find the pros & cons of both "clever

" ideas.
When I get it figured out I'll send the bits & a drawing on to you for whenever you go a bendin' next time.

brownknees · February 01, 2008, 20:47

Just a follow up on the idea.
The "S" carry handle is too far foreward to balance, them ol' Belgies had the point of balance dead over the mag well. Good for shooting, but not so good for relocating carry handles.

I'm thinking now of one that's just longer in the part right after the bend to clear the reciever.
I'm just trying to figure out how to NOT have the handle itself partially block the mag well when folded. This can happen if I make it long enough to clear the scope when opened as the handle has a bigger arc between closed & opened.

January 25, 2008, 10:51	#1
brownknees Registered FALaholic #: 14917 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: mid atlantic Posts: 12,015	Carry handle (LB Vs. C2 types) & Hensoldt scope thought. I was thinking that maybe by replacing the standard carry handle with one from a C2 version I might get enough clearance to use both together, due to the "dogleg" shape of the C2's wire frame. I'm thinking that the extra weight of the bipod up front will neutralize balance point issues. Has anyone tried this? I'm not worried about "purity" just function here. A quick measurement of the clearance needed comes out to 2 1/8" forward movment needed. Whaddyall think Edited for correct definitions Last edited by brownknees; January 25, 2008 at 20:54.

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January 25, 2008, 13:00	#2
L/FN Registered FALaholic #: 139 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Kansas. Just Dust in the Wind Posts: 3,336	A std 21" bbl w/ bipod is not near enough weight to balance a forward running carryhandle. Larry

January 25, 2008, 13:32	#3
English Mike Banned TROLL FALaholic #: 11339 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Whitehaven, England Posts: 13,425	If the RAF ever finds out you want to actually USE the carry handle....

January 25, 2008, 16:55	#6
L/FN Registered FALaholic #: 139 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Kansas. Just Dust in the Wind Posts: 3,336	You design it, I'll bend it! Have spring steel rod & furnace on hand. Larry

January 25, 2008, 17:31	#7
Rooster Banned (Temp) FALaholic #: 9328 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: US Posts: 4,868	BK, I believe you are thinking of the C2 handle

January 25, 2008, 17:34	#8
Rooster Banned (Temp) FALaholic #: 9328 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: US Posts: 4,868

January 25, 2008, 17:54	#9
brownknees Registered FALaholic #: 14917 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: mid atlantic Posts: 12,015	That's the one, Rooster! How long is the "dogleg"? If it's under 2 1/8" then I guess the handle itself could be shortened slightly as well. Larry, if the C2 handle is not going to fit, could you make one the same as the style shown, but with the 2 1/8" dogleg? Or do you think the increased leverage would be a problem. How much are we talking for custom work here BTW. I just KNEW someone in FALFiles land would come up with an answer.

January 25, 2008, 18:27	#10
Rooster Banned (Temp) FALaholic #: 9328 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: US Posts: 4,868	Not sure on the dimensions, I just knew what you were talking about and found the picture on the board. Originals are quite spendy.

January 25, 2008, 20:28	#11
brownknees Registered FALaholic #: 14917 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: mid atlantic Posts: 12,015	I can imagine they will be as that's not the most common configuration Hey thanks for the info anyway, now I know what I'm looking for by the right name at least. I owe you a , I'll probably owe you 2 with accrued interest by September

January 25, 2008, 22:03	#12
L/FN Registered FALaholic #: 139 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Kansas. Just Dust in the Wind Posts: 3,336	I make a reproduction of the "S" shaped C2 wood gripped carryhandle. Pic is here: http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...hreadid=191326 I use a number of hand made bending jigs to shape the rod rather than trying to bend the rod from beginning to end on one large complex form. This method "should" allow some alterations. I can only do wood grips at the moment, but plan on doing various plastic grips in the future. From the top of the carryhandle mnt'ing slot, the wire goes up 1/2 ", forward 1-1/4", up 1-3/8". All measurements close, but not perfect. With installed grip, you will loose some clearance as well. I can also use heavier wire for a longer carryhandle too. The wire I use for the C1 & C2 carryhandles are as close as possible to the originals. Israeli HB carryhandle rods are much heavier. Larry

January 26, 2008, 13:26	#16
L/FN Registered FALaholic #: 139 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Kansas. Just Dust in the Wind Posts: 3,336	W/a heavier wire, the receiver's ch slot will stay the same. The heavier wire will support more weight at the bends where the greatest torque is. Rods will fail under heavy weight in 2 ways. Bend or snap. I heat treat mine to bend before they snap. Yes, I can offer a rod by itself. My wood grips and metal caps are where most of the time is. Best to lay your FAL on its side on a sheet of paper and draw the shape of the rod you want then mail it to me. You can also simply bend a coat hanger to shape and trace around it or even mail the coat hanger!! Larry

January 26, 2008, 20:19	#17
brownknees Registered FALaholic #: 14917 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: mid atlantic Posts: 12,015	Thanks, Larry. I'll get some detailed drawings with dimensions put together tomorrow & send them. I appreciate the help with this project. Can you PM me a mailing addy, Please?

January 27, 2008, 01:04	#18
L/FN Registered FALaholic #: 139 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Kansas. Just Dust in the Wind Posts: 3,336	10-4 PM sent to you. Need to LYK that I won't be able to jump on this immediately as there are some other FAL-filers patiently waiting for me to get their projects done. I do need to make up some more wires when time allows and that would be a good time to make your carryhandle rod. Thanks Larry

January 27, 2008, 08:33	#19
brownknees Registered FALaholic #: 14917 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: mid atlantic Posts: 12,015	Got it! No problem with the time thing. As I mention in the PM I have two different ideas about how this COULD be done, one being long enough to simply go over the top of the sight, the other being dogleg as we've been discussing. I'll prototype it out from coat hanger bits, that way I'll find the pros & cons of both "clever " ideas. When I get it figured out I'll send the bits & a drawing on to you for whenever you go a bendin' next time.

February 01, 2008, 20:47	#20
brownknees Registered FALaholic #: 14917 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: mid atlantic Posts: 12,015	Just a follow up on the idea. The "S" carry handle is too far foreward to balance, them ol' Belgies had the point of balance dead over the mag well. Good for shooting, but not so good for relocating carry handles. I'm thinking now of one that's just longer in the part right after the bend to clear the reciever. I'm just trying to figure out how to NOT have the handle itself partially block the mag well when folded. This can happen if I make it long enough to clear the scope when opened as the handle has a bigger arc between closed & opened.