HK91 INFO Please UPDATE 11/24/07

peacekeeper1961 · November 07, 2007, 19:11

I ran across a HK91 rifle at dealer on Monday. It is a fixed stock .308cal. Looks to be in pretty decent shape probably 95-98%. He's asking $1200.00 for it. Can anyone help with info on these rifles? What to look for, or watch out for when purchasing one, etc.

Lon Moer · November 07, 2007, 19:14

Really need more info., but if it is a real HK-91, then that is about half the general market price.

peacekeeper1961 · November 07, 2007, 19:22

I'm going to have to admit to pretty stupid, especially when it comes to HKs. What is the best way to determine if it's an original?

2 clicks low · November 07, 2007, 19:57

Here what a real HK91 should have stamp on the mag well.

2 clicks low · November 07, 2007, 20:07

other side

FN74 · November 07, 2007, 20:13

If it's a real HK, grab it at that price. If its a clone let it sit. They are cool rifles, but no where near as nice as a FAL nor as user friendly.

Borsig · November 07, 2007, 20:18

Steal on a genuine HK

rapeage on a clone.

sriously doubt a dealer would price a genuine HK at 1200.

A good clone will shoot and function just fine.

My Vector 93 is probably the nicest HK clone Ive ever seen,

V guy · November 08, 2007, 10:04

If it is a Century, be careful.

I have a Century 91 clone.
It was assembled incorrectly.

The bbl/trunion unit was welded to the receiver incorrectly; it was too far forward so that the notch on the front of the mag would not engage the magazine ledge on the rear of the trunnion; the result was that on feeding, the front of the mag would tip down and presto, no feed or jam up.
Had to cut the receiver apart, correct it and weld it back together. Shoots fine now.

Oh yeah, it had mismatched rollers in the bolt too. When you fired it, the bolt was not delayed blowback as intended. It was instant recoil and it damn near broke the stock.

I mention this as most of the guns were NOT corrected and I see them all the time at gun shows. they are essentially a parts kit with receiver that needs fixing.

superjc · November 08, 2007, 20:57

My century HK91 clone (and FIRST "black" rifle) was a Century (1999). After 5 or 6 shots, the thing came unhinged at the mag well (lower from upper) turns out the 2 rear pin holes were worn out and were more like ovals, resulting in a ton of play. After 2 trips to an incompetent gunsmith, sent it to a FAL expert in So. Cal and her welded shut the redrilled the holes. Never came apart or even jammed after that. In other words, a steal for the real thing, rapage for a clone!

jefferyc22 · November 08, 2007, 22:24

Quote:

Originally posted by FN74
If it's a real HK, grab it at that price. If its a clone let it sit. They are cool rifles, but no where near as nice as a FAL nor as user friendly.

FALs are nice (I have a G1) but shoot 1000 rounds thru each and you will see how much more reliable/accurate a G3/HK91 is

chromestarhustler · November 08, 2007, 23:00

you must have a defective fal, i have shot 300 rds almost non stop threw my hesse fal until the handguards were smoking, and finished off another 200 rds after i loaded a new target and smoked, got a drink and let my hand cool off. and thats my hesse thats not any of my "good stuff". both barrels get hot and string shots. except my fal doesnt chew up brass nearly as bad. somewhere i got a mag where they did a torture test on a fal 10000 rds in 2 days i think they went threw 6500 the first day. at 10000 rds they had a total of 3 failures.

peacekeeper1961 · November 08, 2007, 23:16

UPDATE: The rifle is a genuine HK91. I didn't have the $$ to plunk down on it because I just bought a Springfield SAR-48 Izzy HB and I'm still hurting from that. Fortunately, I have done alot of business with this company and they let me put a few hundred bucks down to hold it. I'll pick it up by the end of the month and post pics.

peacekeeper1961 · November 23, 2007, 23:44

Update on HK91. I went to the dealer to pick up the HK91. As I walked in the place I spot a SPAS-12 shotgun propped up against the counter. I check it out and it looks to be in real good shape. I ask the dealer how much and he says $650.00. I barter back and forth with him and leave with the HK91 for $1200.00 and the SPAS-12 for $575.00. I hope it's worth the butt chewing I'm gonna get. Pics below.

**rochte** · November 24, 2007, 00:24

Holy crap! Let me say that again - holy crap! That's just INCREDIBLE!

This dealer must be stuck in a time warp, somewhere around 1991....

LVMPDawg · November 24, 2007, 03:13

Simply an OUTSTANDING score!

davedude · November 24, 2007, 07:59

Wish I could find a dealer like that around here.
I like those 50% off sales

Dave Dude

molonlabe texan · November 24, 2007, 09:47

LOL.

Good snag on the SPAS.

FN74 · November 24, 2007, 13:33

You did a VERY GOOD JOB! DO NOT SELL THEM! Those are great collectables.

FN74 · November 24, 2007, 13:37

Quote:

Originally posted by jefferyc22

FALs are nice (I have a G1) but shoot 1000 rounds thru each and you will see how much more reliable/accurate a G3/HK91 is

Ok, I'll play your game. Did it. Not only that, I shot 1000+ through an M1A too - the FAL was the only one that held up to the challenge. The M1A was a bit more accurate, but both it and the HK91 are a PITA to keep clean in the field.

FAL you break open like a shotgun, pull the bolt and carrier out, wipe them off, and slide them back in all in under 30 seconds. More field friendly. Best part about it is you don't have to remove any pins, so less to lose.

My HK91 was a pre-89 ban German gun - in excellent condition, and my M1A was a 4 digit National Match gun under ser# 1500, and neither held up to a STG58 custom kit build on a gear logo Imbel....

**metalreptile** · November 25, 2007, 09:05

You basically got a great deal on an HK91, and a SPAS-12 thrown in for free! What a deal! You better keep an eye on that dealer & see what else he sells at deals like that! You will never be sorry you got that HK91. They are reliable to the extreme, although a bit annoying to clean. They do make a mess, but that's the way the system works. As far as field cleaning.....you won't be needing to do any "field cleaning" until after many hundreds of rounds have been fired. Back when ammo was dirt cheap, I remember taking my HK91 to the range many times and firing 1,000 rounds or more through it. Was it dirty? Oh yeah. Was it a pain to clean? Oh yeah. Did it ever malfunction? Nope.
You might get some of the funky tar sealed ammo that could gum up the flutes & cause problems, although I never have actually seen this happen. Get some steel magazines for it.....CDNN Sports has them brand new in the wrapper for less than 15 bucks each. They are identical to what the HK91 was shipped with. You have an awesome weapon there that will serve you well!

jamesq · November 25, 2007, 16:18

nice score! what is the purpose of the hook on the stock?

N4KVE · November 25, 2007, 17:55

You know, not all gun stores are theives. Maybe he payed $600 for the HK from someone who had to come up with IRS $ immediately. The owner was happy to double his $. He certainly can't do that every day. Just came back from the Ft. Lauderdale gunshow, & all the 91's at $2200 left the building unsold. Same unsold guns from last year. The people who sell them for less $ at least go home with $ in their pocket. Earlier this year, I purchased a mint Daewoo K2. My regular guy got it for $600 & sold it to me for $900. His standard markup ratio for used guns. I see other dealers dragging their K2's every month trying to get $1200 & taking them home unsold. They read here that people say they are worth $1200 & they won't drop 1 cent. My dealer takes less & this creates cashflow. He then buys more guns with this $ & makes more $. There are smart shoppers, & there are people with more $ than brains. There are always people in a financial pinch & the 1st thing they sell is a gun. The trick is to find these people, & pay a fair $ than pay $2200 for a gun that used to cost $369. No flame, just my .02. GARY N4KVE

nwobhm · November 25, 2007, 17:56

Quote:

Originally posted by jamesq
nice score! what is the purpose of the hook on the stock?

Carry handle

ThePitbullofLove · November 25, 2007, 18:00

Quote:

Originally posted by nwobhm

Carry handle

Nah, it's so after a hard day of hunting Sarah Conner, you can hang it up in th ecloset after you get home....

peacekeeper1961 · November 25, 2007, 19:08

From what I understand, the hook has a double duty. When the stock is folded, it can be used as a carry handle. With stock extended, it can be turned sideways, and hooked under the forearm to stablize the weapon during one arm firing....if someone is foolish enough to try to fire it using one arm.

Bubacus · November 25, 2007, 21:31

Yep I've fired mine with the hook in this config just out of curiosity and it works pretty well. Awesome price on the SPAS. I paid $500 for mine in 1994 and I had to replace the heat shield and hand guard. It was an old Movie gun.

leek · November 25, 2007, 22:14

VERY IMPORTANT: The Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12 shotguns were recalled due to a defective "bolt Safety" . There are two safties on these shotguns -- a bolt safety and a trigger safety. The swingingbolt safety ie. like a FAL or AR safety was replaced with a push ---from left to right safety. The trigger safety is sort of like a mini 14 style safety and was not involved in the recall. Please make sure the SPAS was modified replacing the swinging lever safety. Some of these fine shotguns were never upgraded. The safety in question is on the oppisite side of the gun that is shown in your pix. I can't tell if the mod was done or not.

You did very, very good . Congratulations

peacekeeper1961 · November 25, 2007, 23:08

The lever safety appears to be unmodified. I have read about the recall and such. It appears the modification is no longer available...unless somebody can help me out with a source to get the recall parts. It looks like the best bet is to not use the lever safety and instead use the proper "human" safety precautions....If someone knows of a source for the recall parts...please do tell...

BrenLover · November 26, 2007, 10:16

Quote:

Originally posted by peacekeeper1961
The lever safety appears to be unmodified. I have read about the recall and such. It appears the modification is no longer available...unless somebody can help me out with a source to get the recall parts. It looks like the best bet is to not use the lever safety and instead use the proper "human" safety precautions....If someone knows of a source for the recall parts...please do tell...

I believe Beretta owns Franchi now so I would call them and see what they advise. Also, spares are rare as hens teeth. If you can get any through Beretta do it! All you can afford, especially the little shock absorbers for inside the receiver. They get brittle and brake over time making the receiver take the brunt of firing. There is a website for Spas owners and they can get you SOME spares. Run a search.

Bren

StoneyCreekMrMauser · December 24, 2007, 00:50

So I guess $1400 is too much for a Springfield SAR-8/48 (thumbhole dealy)?

Glucker · December 24, 2007, 08:57

IMHO $1,400. is too much for a thumbhole anything.

**hkshooter** · December 24, 2007, 09:22

Quote:

Originally posted by StoneyCreekMrMauser
So I guess $1400 is too much for a Springfield SAR-8/48 (thumbhole dealy)?

WAY to much. I got my SAR8 off of gunbroker for $1175 and it came with all the original parts and all US parts to make it 922r compliant, looks like it may have a box of rounds through it total. And it had had a Williams trigger job done as well.

November 07, 2007, 19:11	#1
peacekeeper1961 Registered FALaholic #: 21865 Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 134	HK91 INFO Please UPDATE 11/24/07 I ran across a HK91 rifle at dealer on Monday. It is a fixed stock .308cal. Looks to be in pretty decent shape probably 95-98%. He's asking $1200.00 for it. Can anyone help with info on these rifles? What to look for, or watch out for when purchasing one, etc. Last edited by peacekeeper1961; November 23, 2007 at 23:38.

November 07, 2007, 19:14	#2
Lon Moer Registered FALaholic #: 12098 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: CA Posts: 3,521	Really need more info., but if it is a real HK-91, then that is about half the general market price. __________________ I've known daredevils and I ain't got nothing against them.....its just they're all dead.

November 07, 2007, 19:57	#4
2 clicks low Registered FALaholic #: 3173 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Nebraska Posts: 922	Here what a real HK91 should have stamp on the mag well. Last edited by 2 clicks low; January 21, 2013 at 02:32.

November 07, 2007, 20:07	#5
2 clicks low Registered FALaholic #: 3173 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Nebraska Posts: 922	other side Last edited by 2 clicks low; January 21, 2013 at 02:32.

November 07, 2007, 20:13	#6
FN74 Registered FALaholic #: 220 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Metro New Orleans, LA Posts: 3,070	If it's a real HK, grab it at that price. If its a clone let it sit. They are cool rifles, but no where near as nice as a FAL nor as user friendly. __________________ DEO VINDICE! YOU! - OUT OF THE GENE POOL!!! DABTL said on 7/15/06, "I rather think it is a good idea to shut down those machine gun kits such as the MG42 from coming into this country. I cannot imagine a good use to which they might be put. I can think of many ways they could be a problem" "An MG42 has an enormous rate of fire and in the wrong hands can and will do an enormous amount of damage, some day. If not bringing in any more of those will put that day off it will be worth it."

November 07, 2007, 19:22	#3
peacekeeper1961 Registered FALaholic #: 21865 Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 134	I'm going to have to admit to pretty stupid, especially when it comes to HKs. What is the best way to determine if it's an original?

November 07, 2007, 20:18	#7
Borsig Registered FALaholic #: 17547 Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 604	Steal on a genuine HK rapeage on a clone. sriously doubt a dealer would price a genuine HK at 1200. A good clone will shoot and function just fine. My Vector 93 is probably the nicest HK clone Ive ever seen, __________________ A man carries a rifle for many years, and he goes to war. And afterward he turns the rifle in at the armory, and goes home, and he believes he's finished with the rifle. But no matter what else he might do with his hands, love a woman, build a house, change his son's diaper; his hands never forget the rifle.

November 08, 2007, 10:04	#8
V guy Registered FALaholic #: 10282 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: miami Posts: 8,191	If it is a Century, be careful. I have a Century 91 clone. It was assembled incorrectly. The bbl/trunion unit was welded to the receiver incorrectly; it was too far forward so that the notch on the front of the mag would not engage the magazine ledge on the rear of the trunnion; the result was that on feeding, the front of the mag would tip down and presto, no feed or jam up. Had to cut the receiver apart, correct it and weld it back together. Shoots fine now. Oh yeah, it had mismatched rollers in the bolt too. When you fired it, the bolt was not delayed blowback as intended. It was instant recoil and it damn near broke the stock. I mention this as most of the guns were NOT corrected and I see them all the time at gun shows. they are essentially a parts kit with receiver that needs fixing.

November 08, 2007, 20:57	#9
superjc Registered FALaholic #: 30508 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sacramento, California Posts: 795	My century HK91 clone (and FIRST "black" rifle) was a Century (1999). After 5 or 6 shots, the thing came unhinged at the mag well (lower from upper) turns out the 2 rear pin holes were worn out and were more like ovals, resulting in a ton of play. After 2 trips to an incompetent gunsmith, sent it to a FAL expert in So. Cal and her welded shut the redrilled the holes. Never came apart or even jammed after that. In other words, a steal for the real thing, rapage for a clone!

November 08, 2007, 23:00	#11
chromestarhustler Registered FALaholic #: 19815 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: kansas Posts: 3,427	you must have a defective fal, i have shot 300 rds almost non stop threw my hesse fal until the handguards were smoking, and finished off another 200 rds after i loaded a new target and smoked, got a drink and let my hand cool off. and thats my hesse thats not any of my "good stuff". both barrels get hot and string shots. except my fal doesnt chew up brass nearly as bad. somewhere i got a mag where they did a torture test on a fal 10000 rds in 2 days i think they went threw 6500 the first day. at 10000 rds they had a total of 3 failures. __________________ My God in heaven, watch over me and please let me be victorous over mine ememies, but if i must fall in battle let me be brave i am a member of the ammo hoarders of america, ask me about selling your ammo for my fun and your profit

November 08, 2007, 23:16	#12
peacekeeper1961 Registered FALaholic #: 21865 Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 134	UPDATE: The rifle is a genuine HK91. I didn't have the $$ to plunk down on it because I just bought a Springfield SAR-48 Izzy HB and I'm still hurting from that. Fortunately, I have done alot of business with this company and they let me put a few hundred bucks down to hold it. I'll pick it up by the end of the month and post pics.

November 23, 2007, 23:44	#13
peacekeeper1961 Registered FALaholic #: 21865 Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 134	Update on HK91. I went to the dealer to pick up the HK91. As I walked in the place I spot a SPAS-12 shotgun propped up against the counter. I check it out and it looks to be in real good shape. I ask the dealer how much and he says $650.00. I barter back and forth with him and leave with the HK91 for $1200.00 and the SPAS-12 for $575.00. I hope it's worth the butt chewing I'm gonna get. Pics below.

November 24, 2007, 00:24	#14
rochte Veteran Member Contributor FALaholic #: 16305 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Grosse Pointe, MI Posts: 1,406	Holy crap! Let me say that again - holy crap! That's just INCREDIBLE! This dealer must be stuck in a time warp, somewhere around 1991....

November 24, 2007, 03:13	#15
LVMPDawg Registered FALaholic #: 15355 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 466	Simply an OUTSTANDING score!

November 24, 2007, 07:59	#16
davedude Registered FALaholic #: 20538 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas-Fort Worth Posts: 3,874	Wish I could find a dealer like that around here. I like those 50% off sales Dave Dude

November 24, 2007, 09:47	#17
molonlabe texan You asked for it to be Brought.. it was. FALaholic #: 31121 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: This ain't no party... Posts: 1,082	LOL. Good snag on the SPAS.

November 24, 2007, 13:33	#18
FN74 Registered FALaholic #: 220 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Metro New Orleans, LA Posts: 3,070	You did a VERY GOOD JOB! DO NOT SELL THEM! Those are great collectables. __________________ DEO VINDICE! YOU! - OUT OF THE GENE POOL!!! DABTL said on 7/15/06, "I rather think it is a good idea to shut down those machine gun kits such as the MG42 from coming into this country. I cannot imagine a good use to which they might be put. I can think of many ways they could be a problem" "An MG42 has an enormous rate of fire and in the wrong hands can and will do an enormous amount of damage, some day. If not bringing in any more of those will put that day off it will be worth it."

November 25, 2007, 09:05	#20
metalreptile Resident Graybeard Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 26243 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 2,059	You basically got a great deal on an HK91, and a SPAS-12 thrown in for free! What a deal! You better keep an eye on that dealer & see what else he sells at deals like that! You will never be sorry you got that HK91. They are reliable to the extreme, although a bit annoying to clean. They do make a mess, but that's the way the system works. As far as field cleaning.....you won't be needing to do any "field cleaning" until after many hundreds of rounds have been fired. Back when ammo was dirt cheap, I remember taking my HK91 to the range many times and firing 1,000 rounds or more through it. Was it dirty? Oh yeah. Was it a pain to clean? Oh yeah. Did it ever malfunction? Nope. You might get some of the funky tar sealed ammo that could gum up the flutes & cause problems, although I never have actually seen this happen. Get some steel magazines for it.....CDNN Sports has them brand new in the wrapper for less than 15 bucks each. They are identical to what the HK91 was shipped with. You have an awesome weapon there that will serve you well! __________________ What you possess in the world will be found, at the day of your death, to belong to someone else. What you are, will be yours forever.

November 25, 2007, 16:18	#21
jamesq Registered FALaholic #: 9639 Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,068	nice score! what is the purpose of the hook on the stock?

November 25, 2007, 17:55	#22
N4KVE Registered FALaholic #: 19120 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: PALM BEACH FLORIDA Posts: 510	You know, not all gun stores are theives. Maybe he payed $600 for the HK from someone who had to come up with IRS $ immediately. The owner was happy to double his $. He certainly can't do that every day. Just came back from the Ft. Lauderdale gunshow, & all the 91's at $2200 left the building unsold. Same unsold guns from last year. The people who sell them for less $ at least go home with $ in their pocket. Earlier this year, I purchased a mint Daewoo K2. My regular guy got it for $600 & sold it to me for $900. His standard markup ratio for used guns. I see other dealers dragging their K2's every month trying to get $1200 & taking them home unsold. They read here that people say they are worth $1200 & they won't drop 1 cent. My dealer takes less & this creates cashflow. He then buys more guns with this $ & makes more $. There are smart shoppers, & there are people with more $ than brains. There are always people in a financial pinch & the 1st thing they sell is a gun. The trick is to find these people, & pay a fair $ than pay $2200 for a gun that used to cost $369. No flame, just my .02. GARY N4KVE

November 25, 2007, 19:08	#25
peacekeeper1961 Registered FALaholic #: 21865 Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 134	From what I understand, the hook has a double duty. When the stock is folded, it can be used as a carry handle. With stock extended, it can be turned sideways, and hooked under the forearm to stablize the weapon during one arm firing....if someone is foolish enough to try to fire it using one arm.

November 25, 2007, 21:31	#26
Bubacus Registered FALaholic #: 13971 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 591	Yep I've fired mine with the hook in this config just out of curiosity and it works pretty well. Awesome price on the SPAS. I paid $500 for mine in 1994 and I had to replace the heat shield and hand guard. It was an old Movie gun. __________________ Bubacus

November 25, 2007, 22:14	#27
leek Registered FALaholic #: 16697 Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 508	VERY IMPORTANT: The Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12 shotguns were recalled due to a defective "bolt Safety" . There are two safties on these shotguns -- a bolt safety and a trigger safety. The swingingbolt safety ie. like a FAL or AR safety was replaced with a push ---from left to right safety. The trigger safety is sort of like a mini 14 style safety and was not involved in the recall. Please make sure the SPAS was modified replacing the swinging lever safety. Some of these fine shotguns were never upgraded. The safety in question is on the oppisite side of the gun that is shown in your pix. I can't tell if the mod was done or not. You did very, very good . Congratulations

November 25, 2007, 23:08	#28
peacekeeper1961 Registered FALaholic #: 21865 Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 134	The lever safety appears to be unmodified. I have read about the recall and such. It appears the modification is no longer available...unless somebody can help me out with a source to get the recall parts. It looks like the best bet is to not use the lever safety and instead use the proper "human" safety precautions....If someone knows of a source for the recall parts...please do tell...

December 24, 2007, 00:50	#30
StoneyCreekMrMauser Registered FALaholic #: 32185 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Tennessee, the patron state of shootin' stuff Posts: 1,633	So I guess $1400 is too much for a Springfield SAR-8/48 (thumbhole dealy)?

December 24, 2007, 08:57	#31
Glucker Registered FALaholic #: 12384 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Houston Posts: 1,770	IMHO $1,400. is too much for a thumbhole anything. __________________ Glucker

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