When did the STG58s have wood stocks?

[steel]

I guess the question says it all. I just bought an STG58, and I was thinking about putting on a wood stock. Thanks.

[Abominog]

The earlier ones had wood stocks. Not sure if all the FN-made StGs did; maybe someone else can answer that.

The earliest also had wood pistol grips.

[steel]

Do you know what year the change was made to go from wood stocks to synthetic stocks?

[shootist87122]

My S/N 7x,xxx kit from DSA came with a wood stock, but who knows how or why it got there since most earlier S/N (including one of mine) had plastic. At some point, most if not all were retro fitted with plastic. IMO, the year of the change is not important for originality since wood was original.

My StG wood (Type C with rubber buttpad) now resides on a 15x,xxx Type II, cause I like it that way. Go for it.

[GW870]

Wow, Shootist, that is a fine looking rig! I would love to have a stock
like that on my StG. Anyone know where I might find one?

GW

[Renegade04]

If you like wood, you could also look into the G1s. This is one I picked up a few months ago. The same stock will work on a STG58.

[GW870]

Thanks for the tip, Renegade. I'm gonna go see what I can find over
in Marketplace.
Steel? You coming?

GW

[Mosin Guy]

Hey GW870 here ya go http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...hreadid=204598

[GW870]

Thank you for the linky, MG.
And could somebody tell a dummy the difference between a B and C?

GW

[shootist87122]

A "C" uses the metal ferrule on the front end to help prevent splitting.

Here's an example of a Type B stock on my other woodie - I picked up the G1 stock indirectly from RMLamey - the master on refinishing.



Do a search under RMLamey for some beautiful refinished wood.

Here's a good one of a Type C:
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...Stock+Refinish

And another great thread of his (Type B shown hear):
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...Stock+Refinish

[steel]

Thanks for all the replies. Those are beautiful rifles. Seeing the pics of the wood stocks makes me think I NEED to put one on my new rifle. I like the looks of the type B stock w/o the ferrule. Is there a huge benefit to the type C stock? How common is splitting on stocks w/o the ferrule? When did the powers-that-be start using ferrules on the stocks?

[Rooster]

Originally posted by Mosin Guy
Hey GW870 here ya go http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...hreadid=204598

If your looking for something a little fancier than those shown just let me know, I can dig some others out

[J. Armstrong]

Stgs used type C stocks before going to synthetic. As far as I know, all the Steyr built rifles had synthetic stocks. The lowers are very slightly different - if you put a synthetic stock on a Steyr lower, there is a very minor mismatch where the upper lines of the stocks wrist transition to the lower. Not enough to worry aout, IMHO ! Wood stock onto the Steyr lower is pretty much unnoticeable.
For US compliant stuff, try Ironwood Designs. He usually only has type B stocks, and there can be a wait, but it is nice stuff !! Every now and then does type Cs and/or more exotic wood.

[Radio]

Sadly, all my wood stocks are R1s or G1s. Wish I had an StG.

What finish have you got there, Shootist, to give that gorgeous red hue on your StG?

--Radio

[shootist87122]

Originally posted by Radio
Sadly, all my wood stocks are R1s or G1s. Wish I had an StG.

What finish have you got there, Shootist, to give that gorgeous red hue on your StG?

--Radio

Radio,

That is the original finish - all I did was clean it with a light mineral spirit scrub and add some stock wax - or maybe it was a coat of 1.1.1 finish; (turpentine, beeswax and BLO mixed in equal parts). I learned the hard way that doing too much will loose the reddish hue on an old stock.

Somewhere in the archives is a pic of it on the original rifle/build and it had a faded white stripe painted around the wrist. I finally got the courage to clean that off.

RMLamey's method is to use Chromium Trioxide to pull out the grain on G1 stocks (best on walnut). I've used it with good results on a couple of beech R1 stocks like this old beater that I keep in reserve: (It's messy and nasty stuff, but you should give it a try if you have some promising G1 (or R1) wood.) He has full instructions posted somewhere.

[thedrickel]

I built a kit which was #6510 for a buddy, it had a plastic stock and short gas tube, I'm guessing it was refurb'd at some point by Steyr. I have a kit in the 40k range with a long tube and wood butt

It was an honor to work on that 6510 kit, comparing the parts between his and mine in the 40's, the FN made one was much, much more nicely machined. He bought an AR-10 and is thinking of selling the STG ( ), I may be able to convince him to swap with me.

[J. Armstrong]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by thedrickel
[B]I built a kit which was #6510 for a buddy, it had a plastic stock and short gas tube, I'm guessing it was refurb'd at some point by Steyr. I have a kit in the 40k range with a long tube and wood butt


Maybe not. Do the Herstal and Steyr numbers run consecutively ? I'm not sure that they do.

[Radio]

To my knowledge, FN did all the StGs from 0000 to (circa) 20000, then Steyr took over from (circa) 20000 to the end (170000??). I have a synthetic stock, short tube FN StG which is 59xx, and a synthetic stock, long tube Steyr StG which is 92xxx. The latter kit, which I bought in 1999, was totally sweet, looked virtually unfired, certainly was not an arsenal rebuild.

Stuff happened when these things were made, there is NO "absolute" standard.

--Radio

[moses]

I have an stg front end with a FN made STG barrel serial # 81417
so I have doubts on the exact serial # ranges on fn made stg's

[steel]

Is there a table anywhere that shows the years for each serial number range?

[Radio]

Blake says the cutoff was around the 20,000 mark. However, it's entirely possible to have used other parts during temporary production component shortfalls... for example in moses' case they might have been a bit short of barrels that Tuesday and the next shipment was coming in Thursday, but the production line had to go on, so they used an FN barrel. In my case, perhaps they were simply short on short gas tubes that week, or maybe the brazing machine was temporarily down, so they used a full-length tube to keep the production line moving.

Ya never know. But I pretty much trust the 20,000-area figure as the termination of FN manufacture of StGs.

--Radio

[Abominog]

Originally posted by steel
Is there a table anywhere that shows the years for each serial number range?

As you can see, no, there isn't. And it's still up in the air. This has come up before a few times, and we always arrive at the fact that there are part S/Ns that don't match a discrete contiguous range.

Did FN assign S/N by contract or by starting with Rifle Number One? I dunno. I have FN barrel S/N 107. Is it FN FAL barrel number 107, or South Africa contract number 107?

[ramiller]

If you observe enought stg wood stocks you will notice the wood is better than other wood stocked fals.

[Illuminaughty]

[davesrb]

I did a search on the same topic, found the same answer you did. While my Stg's are probably too late in production to have had wood stocks. I changed out one of my Stg's synthetic for wood. I like it better this way. But then I like the G1's the best anyway.

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[Ned Flangers]

Hey davesrb! Where did you get that stock. I'm thinking of going the same route, and I really like the look of yours. Thanks, Ned.

[J. Armstrong]

One alternative is Ironwood Designs. Usually Matt makes type B buttstocks, but now and then he does some type Cs. The contour of the wrist right behind the rear sight is a little different ( like tha Argy long stocks ) easily reshaped to the standard shape. Very nice stuff, sometimes he has some unusual wood selection as well. Counts as a compliance part as well.
Good guy !

[davesrb]

originally posted by Ned Flangers

Hey davesrb! Where did you get that stock. I'm thinking of going the same route, and I really like the look of yours. Thanks, Ned.

That is a refinished original stock that came with a G1 kit I bought.

[Slick]

The wood-stocked STG's weighed a little more in the back and as a result, have better balance at the carry-handle. I like the way they look better too.

[JohnnyReb]

Here are some more glamor shots.

Damn, I think this is my 1000th post!

[J. Armstrong]

Originally posted by JohnnyReb
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Damn, I think this is my 1000th post!