FSE HTS NEWS

rboos · November 25, 2001, 09:48

I bought 3 sets of fse hammer trigger sear sets marked with the (M)the(M) must stand for machine gun because thats what they do in both of my G1s & my stg58.

i was out on my rifle range sighting in my g1
shooting for a groop when...(pow,pow) wtf.
OK feild strip and have us a look see nope not bit of dirt or gunk just "marvle oil" (good stuff made for air tools)
put her back together must be just a fluke ?

three times over the next 40rds (pow,pow)damm
$157.58 for some more US. made shit that don't work. if i send them back it will cost me 20% plus shipping .

Yes all three sets are bad .
this is how too check unload rifle move safty
to fire pull and hold trigger down, then pull back and release the cocking handle,
now slowly let off the trigger and klick yep the hammer falls not the click of the sear resetting.

I wonder if Harrold will give my money back

[ November 27, 2001: Message edited by: FALFITTER ]

Master Blaster · November 25, 2001, 10:00

FF,
The M on the hammer denotes the updated Metric hammer configuration, not machine gun. I am sure that if you contact Harold that he will make it right for you.
Regards,
Jim

[ November 25, 2001: Message edited by: Master Blaster ]

panzer · November 25, 2001, 10:06

there is a thread about there being anew updated hammer that he will swap old ones for,no cost.do a search and you should find it.

L1A1 shooter 1 · November 25, 2001, 10:17

its the trigger or sear or both,,its double tappin,,change these parts asap,verry unsafe to fire these rifles like this,,had a mag blowen on my foot once,flash about blinded me for a minute

Nik · November 25, 2001, 10:47

FALFITTER,

Where did you buy the HTS set and how long ago? I am with you on the frustration. I know that Harold is a good guy as are most of the American manufacturers but its really annoying to get sub-standard, out of spec parts time after time. Admittedly, there are less sub-standard parts now then there used to be but its still frustrating.

Tripower455 · November 25, 2001, 10:58

Actually, if it weren't for the idiotic 922 B.S., we wouldn't have to worry about this nonsense! BTW, Harold did me right with my inch set that was doing the same thing!

rboos · November 25, 2001, 13:03

I know the (M)stands for the newest production with hammers that won't break,they just don't work

I'm sure i will get flamed for this but i'm gonna do it anyway.

I am so sick of all the jirk water products on the market today thatDON'T FIT,
DON'T WORK,DON'T HOLD UP.
butt don't worry they'll give you another POS. to replace the last POS. that DON'T FIT,
DON'T WORK,DON'T HOLD UP,and evryone applauds them for it, well i won't.
i don't want another POS. i want a quality product. and if it costs a little more so be it. i just wish they would get it right.

ps. this works very well
for barreling a fal even on the tough ones
FALFITTER

[img]null[/img]

mp · November 25, 2001, 13:24

Not sure if it's a good idea to oil the sear engagemant point. I'll bet it doesn't double when it is dry. Give it a try.

You tried all three sets and got the same problem?

rboos · November 25, 2001, 13:44

yes on all three sets
yes even when dry as a bone
i have used white lith. greese on factory hts sets without a single malfunction in 1000rds
i though it may have been a bad lower rec.
but three sets and three lowers?? no way.

Tec 9 · November 25, 2001, 14:06

Well, in the unfortunate even that you are injured using these parts, atleast we can probably sue the US gov for a repeal by claiming 'wrongful death/injury' by forcing us to use unsafe US parts! Hey, just looking for a bright side..

take care,
Tec

deadwater · November 25, 2001, 14:37

FALFITTER, I agree with you on POS products. I purchased a ceramic heater for our bathroom at Walmart the other day. I thought I was getting a good deal: $16.88 with a 3 year warranty! I read the warranties fine print when I got home: "include check for $7.00 for postage and handling". OK, WTF, I pay $7.00 to ship it back, (should it turn out to be a POS), plus send them a check for $7.00 to cover their shipping and handling. I end up spending at least $14.00 to get my $16.88 heater fixed/replaced!

This is only 1 example, we get screwed on everthing we buy!

rboos · November 25, 2001, 16:43

does anyone know Harrolds e-mail address at fse?

**W.E.G.** · November 25, 2001, 16:56

Quote:

Originally posted by FALFITTER:
does anyone know Harrolds e-mail address at fse?

Harold's email address is
hshinn@mindspring.com

Harold Shinn · November 26, 2001, 07:07

FALFITTER,

It is Monday morning, Nov. 26th, and I have just read the thread regarding your problem with my parts. I have not received your e-mail yet, so I have not been able to communicate with you directly.

I am assuming you purchased your product through RPB or MOSES, since they are the only ones who currently have them in stock. Federal Arms will have them as of today. Regardless of where you bought them from, I will take care of your problem.

I can do the following.

Send me your h/t/s sets with your G1 lower(s). I will inspect these for hammer follow (which seems to be the problem, based upon what you describe in your posting). I will repair (hammer follow usually indicates that the nose of the sear is too long or there may be a problem with the sear spring) or replace any parts as necessary to make them function properly and return ship to you at no cost. I will not know what the exact cause of the hammer follow is unless I can see the parts in your lower. If you have a complaint about the cost of shipping the parts to me, please indicate the amount of your shipping cost and I will reimburse you for that. When I receive your e-mail, I can give you full details for shipping.

OR

You can send me all of the FSE parts that you are unhappy with, with a copy of the invoice from the vendor you purchased them from, showing the total amount paid for this product($157.58 ?). Upon receipt, I will refund you the full amount you paid, including s&h costs. You can then purchase a h/t/s set(s) from DSA or other vendor of your choice. Please e-mail me if this is what you would rather do.

I can sense your frustration and anger. I offer no excuses. I just want to help you get you rifles working, OR give you your money back.

Best regards,

Harold Shinn/FSE
hshinn@mindspring.com

rozor · November 26, 2001, 07:20

Out of all the posts I have seen regarding the FSE problems Harold always goes out of his way to make it right. I wish all companies operated like that.

Master Blaster · November 26, 2001, 10:37

See, I told you! Harold is a stand up individual in my book.

TheOtherChris · November 26, 2001, 10:40

Quote:

Originally posted by Harold Shinn:

I can sense your frustration and anger. I offer no excuses. I just want to help you get you rifles working, OR give you your money back.

Best regards,

Harold Shinn/FSE
hshinn@mindspring.com[/QB]

Now that is customer service.
My next order for H/T/S will be going to you.

Harold Shinn · November 26, 2001, 15:30

FALFITTER,

If you see this, please contact me by e-mail in reference to your problem. I have not heard from you yet.

Best regards,

Harold/FSE
hshinn@mindspring.com

rboos · November 26, 2001, 18:07

Harold,
Thanks for responding, there are three lowers, two G1's and a STG 58. If I ship them to you to fix, how long would it take for me to get them back and would you guarantee your work???

Thank you for standing by your product.

FALFITTER

Harold Shinn · November 26, 2001, 19:08

FALFITTER,

One week or less after I receive them. Yes. Please e-mail me for details. I am out of town tommorrow, so it may not be till tommorrow night that I can reply. Thanks for getting back to me. Hopefully, we can have you up and running soon.

Best regards,

Harold/FSE
hshinn@mindspring.com

Ospre · November 26, 2001, 19:10

With service like that, what more can you ask for.
Harold just wanted you to know I have ordered a set from moses and looking forward to installing

gunhead · November 26, 2001, 22:11

With that kinda service, it makes me glad that I bought HTS set from Moses!

FALFire · November 26, 2001, 22:27

WOW,

I LIKE THIS GUY!!!!!!!!
Why can't more people be like Harold?

riffraff · November 26, 2001, 22:56

I don't really need to get into this discussion (but that's never stopped me before!

) but I think you guys are spoiled. I can't think of another firearm where you can screw a barrel on a new receiver, drop in a hammer, sear, and trigger, mix all the numbered parts, and have the damn thing WORK without having all or most of the parts fitted by a gunsmith. Even the extractors on a 1911 are fitted.

A few weeks ago a friend and I built a couple G1's. Mine came right together (sure, a little lapping compound 'tween bolt carrier and receiver, but WTF). His, no so lucky. The joint hole for the joint pin wasn't machined properly. Fixed that. Then, the receiver catch (you know, where the frame lock is) was the wrong angle and the gun wouldn't stay locked together. Fixed that. I'm not even going to say who made the receiver. My point? This is NORMAL for most firearms.

I'm not saying that the next 10 (or 50) FAL kits that we here at the Files build won't fit like a glove, only that...well, some of youse guys should hang out at gunsmith's shop for a few days, and watch (and listen to) what goes on.

Y'all are sooooooooooo lucky!

**moses** · November 27, 2001, 00:04

Harold stands behind all his products!and all his products are awesome! IMHO

Doubleought · November 27, 2001, 00:28

The FSE inch HTS set I bought from moses functions flawlessly! Thanks moses and Harold! Good people!

TheOtherChris · November 27, 2001, 19:20

Quote:

Originally posted by riffraff:
I don't really need to get into this discussion (but that's never stopped me before! ) but I think you guys are spoiled. I can't think of another firearm where you can screw a barrel on a new receiver, drop in a hammer, sear, and trigger, mix all the numbered parts, and have the damn thing WORK without having all or most of the parts fitted by a gunsmith.

Y'all are sooooooooooo lucky!

People do it with AR's all the time.

The Other Chris

November 25, 2001, 09:48	#1
rboos Registered FALaholic #: 1369 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: mn Posts: 39	FSE HTS NEWS I bought 3 sets of fse hammer trigger sear sets marked with the (M)the(M) must stand for machine gun because thats what they do in both of my G1s & my stg58. i was out on my rifle range sighting in my g1 shooting for a groop when...(pow,pow) wtf. OK feild strip and have us a look see nope not bit of dirt or gunk just "marvle oil" (good stuff made for air tools) put her back together must be just a fluke ? three times over the next 40rds (pow,pow)damm $157.58 for some more US. made shit that don't work. if i send them back it will cost me 20% plus shipping . Yes all three sets are bad . this is how too check unload rifle move safty to fire pull and hold trigger down, then pull back and release the cocking handle, now slowly let off the trigger and klick yep the hammer falls not the click of the sear resetting. I wonder if Harrold will give my money back [ November 27, 2001: Message edited by: FALFITTER ]

November 25, 2001, 10:00	#2
Master Blaster Registered FALaholic #: 946 Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 688	FF, The M on the hammer denotes the updated Metric hammer configuration, not machine gun. I am sure that if you contact Harold that he will make it right for you. Regards, Jim [ November 25, 2001: Message edited by: Master Blaster ] __________________ The original Master Blaster! Not to be confused with Master_Blaster # 7285, and MasterBlaster # 10009.

November 25, 2001, 10:06	#3
panzer Registered FALaholic #: 1988 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: SMYRNA ,GA,THE BEST COUNTRY Posts: 2,119	there is a thread about there being anew updated hammer that he will swap old ones for,no cost.do a search and you should find it. __________________ http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member865.png "Also I heard the voice of the Lord saying who shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, here am I, send me." -Isaiah 6:8

November 25, 2001, 10:58	#6
Tripower455 Registered FALaholic #: 1392 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: SW FL Posts: 410	Actually, if it weren't for the idiotic 922 B.S., we wouldn't have to worry about this nonsense! BTW, Harold did me right with my inch set that was doing the same thing! __________________ I open up 3 Deuces......I'm NEVER COMIN' BACK!

November 26, 2001, 07:07	#14
Harold Shinn Registered FALaholic #: 3212 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 84	FALFITTER, It is Monday morning, Nov. 26th, and I have just read the thread regarding your problem with my parts. I have not received your e-mail yet, so I have not been able to communicate with you directly. I am assuming you purchased your product through RPB or MOSES, since they are the only ones who currently have them in stock. Federal Arms will have them as of today. Regardless of where you bought them from, I will take care of your problem. I can do the following. Send me your h/t/s sets with your G1 lower(s). I will inspect these for hammer follow (which seems to be the problem, based upon what you describe in your posting). I will repair (hammer follow usually indicates that the nose of the sear is too long or there may be a problem with the sear spring) or replace any parts as necessary to make them function properly and return ship to you at no cost. I will not know what the exact cause of the hammer follow is unless I can see the parts in your lower. If you have a complaint about the cost of shipping the parts to me, please indicate the amount of your shipping cost and I will reimburse you for that. When I receive your e-mail, I can give you full details for shipping. OR You can send me all of the FSE parts that you are unhappy with, with a copy of the invoice from the vendor you purchased them from, showing the total amount paid for this product($157.58 ?). Upon receipt, I will refund you the full amount you paid, including s&h costs. You can then purchase a h/t/s set(s) from DSA or other vendor of your choice. Please e-mail me if this is what you would rather do. I can sense your frustration and anger. I offer no excuses. I just want to help you get you rifles working, OR give you your money back. Best regards, Harold Shinn/FSE hshinn@mindspring.com __________________ Harold Shinn / FSE, Atlanta, GA hshinn@mindspring.com

November 25, 2001, 10:17	#4
L1A1 shooter 1 Registered User FALaholic #: 2914 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: In USA Posts: 629	its the trigger or sear or both,,its double tappin,,change these parts asap,verry unsafe to fire these rifles like this,,had a mag blowen on my foot once,flash about blinded me for a minute

November 25, 2001, 10:47	#5
Nik Registered FALaholic #: 3696 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 108	FALFITTER, Where did you buy the HTS set and how long ago? I am with you on the frustration. I know that Harold is a good guy as are most of the American manufacturers but its really annoying to get sub-standard, out of spec parts time after time. Admittedly, there are less sub-standard parts now then there used to be but its still frustrating.

November 25, 2001, 13:03	#7
rboos Registered FALaholic #: 1369 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: mn Posts: 39	I know the (M)stands for the newest production with hammers that won't break,they just don't work I'm sure i will get flamed for this but i'm gonna do it anyway. I am so sick of all the jirk water products on the market today thatDON'T FIT, DON'T WORK,DON'T HOLD UP. butt don't worry they'll give you another POS. to replace the last POS. that DON'T FIT, DON'T WORK,DON'T HOLD UP,and evryone applauds them for it, well i won't. i don't want another POS. i want a quality product. and if it costs a little more so be it. i just wish they would get it right. ps. this works very well for barreling a fal even on the tough ones FALFITTER [img]null[/img]

November 25, 2001, 13:24	#8
mp Registered FALaholic #: 654 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 1,622	Not sure if it's a good idea to oil the sear engagemant point. I'll bet it doesn't double when it is dry. Give it a try. You tried all three sets and got the same problem?

November 25, 2001, 13:44	#9
rboos Registered FALaholic #: 1369 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: mn Posts: 39	yes on all three sets yes even when dry as a bone i have used white lith. greese on factory hts sets without a single malfunction in 1000rds i though it may have been a bad lower rec. but three sets and three lowers?? no way.

November 25, 2001, 14:06	#10
Tec 9 Registered FALaholic #: 1163 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: PA Posts: 322	Well, in the unfortunate even that you are injured using these parts, atleast we can probably sue the US gov for a repeal by claiming 'wrongful death/injury' by forcing us to use unsafe US parts! Hey, just looking for a bright side.. take care, Tec

November 25, 2001, 14:37	#11
deadwater Registered FALaholic #: 2968 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Concord, NH Posts: 61	FALFITTER, I agree with you on POS products. I purchased a ceramic heater for our bathroom at Walmart the other day. I thought I was getting a good deal: $16.88 with a 3 year warranty! I read the warranties fine print when I got home: "include check for $7.00 for postage and handling". OK, WTF, I pay $7.00 to ship it back, (should it turn out to be a POS), plus send them a check for $7.00 to cover their shipping and handling. I end up spending at least $14.00 to get my $16.88 heater fixed/replaced! This is only 1 example, we get screwed on everthing we buy!

November 25, 2001, 16:43	#12
rboos Registered FALaholic #: 1369 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: mn Posts: 39	does anyone know Harrolds e-mail address at fse?

November 26, 2001, 07:20	#15
rozor Registered FALaholic #: 3156 Join Date: May 2001 Location: ohio Posts: 44	Out of all the posts I have seen regarding the FSE problems Harold always goes out of his way to make it right. I wish all companies operated like that.

November 26, 2001, 10:37	#16
Master Blaster Registered FALaholic #: 946 Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 688	See, I told you! Harold is a stand up individual in my book. __________________ The original Master Blaster! Not to be confused with Master_Blaster # 7285, and MasterBlaster # 10009.

November 26, 2001, 15:30	#18
Harold Shinn Registered FALaholic #: 3212 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 84	FALFITTER, If you see this, please contact me by e-mail in reference to your problem. I have not heard from you yet. Best regards, Harold/FSE hshinn@mindspring.com __________________ Harold Shinn / FSE, Atlanta, GA hshinn@mindspring.com

November 26, 2001, 18:07	#19
rboos Registered FALaholic #: 1369 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: mn Posts: 39	Harold, Thanks for responding, there are three lowers, two G1's and a STG 58. If I ship them to you to fix, how long would it take for me to get them back and would you guarantee your work??? Thank you for standing by your product. FALFITTER

November 26, 2001, 19:08	#20
Harold Shinn Registered FALaholic #: 3212 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 84	FALFITTER, One week or less after I receive them. Yes. Please e-mail me for details. I am out of town tommorrow, so it may not be till tommorrow night that I can reply. Thanks for getting back to me. Hopefully, we can have you up and running soon. Best regards, Harold/FSE hshinn@mindspring.com __________________ Harold Shinn / FSE, Atlanta, GA hshinn@mindspring.com

November 26, 2001, 19:10	#21
Ospre Registered FALaholic #: 3602 Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 95	With service like that, what more can you ask for. Harold just wanted you to know I have ordered a set from moses and looking forward to installing __________________ Oliver's Law: Experience is something you don't get until after you need it.

November 26, 2001, 22:11	#22
gunhead Registered FALaholic #: 2820 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Port Charlotte, Florida Posts: 2,395	With that kinda service, it makes me glad that I bought HTS set from Moses! __________________ Gun-Head "Who ever said that Common Sense was so Common?"

November 26, 2001, 22:27	#23
FALFire Registered FALaholic #: 4464 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 118	WOW, I LIKE THIS GUY!!!!!!!! Why can't more people be like Harold?

November 26, 2001, 22:56	#24
riffraff Registered FALaholic #: 4336 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Quantrill's Raiders' country Posts: 809	I don't really need to get into this discussion (but that's never stopped me before! ) but I think you guys are spoiled. I can't think of another firearm where you can screw a barrel on a new receiver, drop in a hammer, sear, and trigger, mix all the numbered parts, and have the damn thing WORK without having all or most of the parts fitted by a gunsmith. Even the extractors on a 1911 are fitted. A few weeks ago a friend and I built a couple G1's. Mine came right together (sure, a little lapping compound 'tween bolt carrier and receiver, but WTF). His, no so lucky. The joint hole for the joint pin wasn't machined properly. Fixed that. Then, the receiver catch (you know, where the frame lock is) was the wrong angle and the gun wouldn't stay locked together. Fixed that. I'm not even going to say who made the receiver. My point? This is NORMAL for most firearms. I'm not saying that the next 10 (or 50) FAL kits that we here at the Files build won't fit like a glove, only that...well, some of youse guys should hang out at gunsmith's shop for a few days, and watch (and listen to) what goes on. Y'all are sooooooooooo lucky! __________________ "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding." -- Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis "The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." -- A.E. Van Vogt, "The Weapon Shops Of Isher," ASF December 1942

November 27, 2001, 00:04	#25
moses One of the original 400 Contributor FALaholic #: 392 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: charlotte nc usa Posts: 5,469	Harold stands behind all his products!and all his products are awesome! IMHO __________________ . Military rifle steel plate match schedule for 2013, March 9th, May 26th(Sunday), Sept. 14th & Nov. 9th AKA "8.47"

November 27, 2001, 00:28	#26
Doubleought Registered FALaholic #: 815 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 1,107	The FSE inch HTS set I bought from moses functions flawlessly! Thanks moses and Harold! Good people!

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