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March 12, 2007, 23:49
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Son wants an AK!
OK here is the quandary. My son told me he would like to have an AK!
After I got up off of the floor, I started to think about it. I want him to have a good AK. My gunsmith is one of the best in the industry. But he is backed up for a LONG time! Further, I would like for my son to have an AK that is all "imported" except for the compliance parts. Ergo, a WASR 10. I am not a real big fan of the WASR. That pretty much leaves the pre ban stuff and SAR1s,2s, and 3s. As much as I love my son, I simply cannot afford a preban and I won't let him have my Steyr Maddi. So the question becomes this. Should I build or buy a SAR1 if I can find one? Suggestions?
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March 12, 2007, 23:55
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For the 'cool factor' as well as inherent value, I'd check out AIM or a few of the others and get an underfolder. they can be had for typically under 5 bills and really retain their value.
The other issue is that the underfolders have very short stocks. I think that a kid would fit one very well. Plus, his pride of ownership would be astounding. Great PR on the schoolyard against the ones that you see the jihadists waving in the air, if you get my drift. Great value, great fit, and great PR in a politically incorrect age. A triple play IMHO.  He can bring a bakelite mag to school as well as pics of him shooting it for 'Show and tell"! Priceless. Mark 
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March 13, 2007, 00:02
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Some of the Chinese stuff is pretty good.
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March 13, 2007, 00:09
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Don't let him take a mag or pixs to school------------------------you are asking for big trouble. I tell my kids to not talk of their experiences or what we as a family own-----------to much exposure. Wait until they are older------ie 18 yrs before talking freely about their activity. |
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March 13, 2007, 00:29
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What surprised me is that he has never really shown a keen interest in shooting like the old man. That is why it floored me! He has been to the range several times but very seldom has he asked to go back. Unfortunately, his wife hates guns. Her reason, they are loud. UH-HUH! Here he is at a gig. He used to play bass in a band. Note the Swiss Rifle shirt that he got from me! 
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March 13, 2007, 01:22
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March 13, 2007, 02:33
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Yugo underfolder (out of stock, but they claim to expect more)
WASR 7.62x39 rifle 5.45 SAR-2 Ammo for SAR-2, cheaper than 7.62x39 AMD-65 AK page at JG Sales
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March 13, 2007, 02:41
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do it the right way, get a kit and a flat and the two of you can build it together.
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March 13, 2007, 02:51
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I thought that you were talking about someone about 10 years younger! Define your 'target' audience sooner! Ahem.
I still stick by my recommendation. Mark "Buy now what you don't think that you can buy later" + $$$$ I would suggest an AMD 65 or a 63 for both the cool factor and a collectability of it. Very few made it here.
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March 13, 2007, 06:38
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Arsenal AK with the longer US buttstock.
As good an AK as you are likely to find and a better fit for your "boy". |
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March 13, 2007, 11:50
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How about the only AK with any real class, the Galil?
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March 13, 2007, 17:40
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March 13, 2007, 18:07
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Vector arms makes a beuty Polish gun, and they are top notch.
I would also highyl recomend you check out Red Jacket Firearms.
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I'm building two Romys with my dad.
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March 13, 2007, 19:12
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I was also thinking your son was a bit younger.
My son is 11 and has his own RRA AR15. He also shoots my M1A, Garand, AK and the Savage FP10 .223. Now that I have a FAL, he'll shoot that too. |
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March 13, 2007, 19:34
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There's nothing wrong with a WASR 10. I've got two and they both came w/ TAPCO G2 trigger groups. For $289 ea. at Dunhams you can't beat them. If you pay more for an AK it's just for cosmetics.
+1 on the father son build but +2 on two guns for a father/son day at the range for under $600. Plus you get the integral side mount rail so you can slap some optics on if you want. Romanian side folding stocks are only $40 at AIM. You can't go wrong. You can deck out the WASR 10 with the money you save by not doing the kit/build scenario and you don't have to prove half as much later as to how the gun got built when you've got a sales receipt for a complete rifle. Last edited by WiFAL; March 13, 2007 at 19:43. |
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March 13, 2007, 19:42
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We used a bunch of WASR-10's, a SAR-1, a Norinco, and a few
WECSOG specials to train the Marine Corps. Its all good. 
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March 13, 2007, 19:44
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We could only get our hands on one full-auto for the fam-fire.
It kept having to go in the water bucket.
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March 13, 2007, 19:49
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I am a big fan of Yugo's myself, Norinco's are the best AK's IMO
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March 13, 2007, 20:55
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Buy the WASR. You have the mags and refinish the wood. All will be good.
P.S. How you doing friend?
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OK so I am being anal about it. I just want him to has an AK that is as close to military as possible. He would not care if it is kit gun or not. It's a dad thing. JerryMRC, I am doing great. I have improved everyday since I was so sick. I have had a Nuclear stress test and a colonoscopy. The old ticker is fine as is the plumbing. Still have one more thing to do then hopefully, I can take a break from doctors. I have been to the the doctor at lest once every two weeks since I got out of the hospital in December. Thanks for the thoughts!
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March 13, 2007, 21:38
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I have a MAK90 and a Vector Arms. I like the Vector more
 
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March 13, 2007, 21:47
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The absolute best preban is the Steyr Maddi! They were built on Russian equipment in Egypt so they are the closest thing to a Russian AK we will ever see.
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March 14, 2007, 02:06
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March 14, 2007, 02:32
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gott a disagree .. best ak is the poly tech legend. i've got one. she is sweet. but worth to much to shoot. nice tigger, well made milled receiver. all good.. And then there is my norinco underfolder, every one likes it...
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March 14, 2007, 10:53
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I have a wood stocked Rifle in 308, AK design receiver but mag only holds 8 in .308  I have seen 16" Saigas in 7.62 x 39, really nicely made, not sure about mag capacity though, very inexpensive  Another of my choices might be the Robinson Arms Vepr, another nice AK Variant. HTTP://www.robarm.com/ But Geez, all show outta stock, must be in high demand. Might be some dealers who have some? GL...... Rich
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March 14, 2007, 11:24
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I've worked with 2 WASR's...one old one,a nd one of the newer GP ones.
The older one seems rougher than the newer one, but both go bang every time, and the GP WASR is actually about as accurate as any .30-30 levergun I've shot. The price savings alone will let you buy more mags and ammo, and any stocks you want to put on it to dress it up.
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March 14, 2007, 12:56
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My nephews can easily hold a fixed stock, but not the underfolder. I'll have to measure a couple to check.
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March 14, 2007, 21:36
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I think some of the WASRs may be hit or miss, dependant upon which angry beaver is doing the work that day.
Another thing to think about - does he want a -47 or a -74? I had Coyote Gulch Armory build me a Bulgarian 74 sidefolder (AKS-74?). I love the 5.45 round, and it is currently available. That's a joy to shoot. Having said that, I also have a Arsenal milled 47 with side optic rail. Probably one of the nicer AKs out there, but it is not cheap. Machining, fit and finish is top notch. I'm not sure on what kind of kits are out there, but you may want to try to find a AK-74 kit and a Global 5.45 receiver. That makes a pretty good AK. |
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March 14, 2007, 21:48
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Get a Vector. I actually worked there part time for a while, (unfortuantely not on the AK project). And the guys building the AKs are amazing! The base model AK is in the $500 range and they do they're best to keep the kits in they're original configuration, they are definately not cobb jobs.
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