Got Copper? BORE CLEANER / COPPER REMOVER TEST RESULTS (Many Pics)

[ironman0311]

More grist for the mill in our quest for the "Holy Grail "of gun maintenance products.

Interesting ...

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QUOTE:


This is a small test we carried out in the workshop.

At one time or another we have all heard the various stories about copper removers and what works best in particular barrels / rifles and so on.

This is a test that was carried out in the work shop not your normal or standard cleaning test on rifles or barrels but on something with a bit more copper than you would usually find.

Most solvents used on this test require you to brush the copper / fouling out of your barrel with effort & elbow grease normally for long periods of time.

For the people who are the skeptics amongst us, KG 12 does not require a lot of effort to work. KG 12 will etch / dissolve the Copper or Carbon problems out of your barrel when you use it correctly


KG-12 Copper Removal & Blue Patches

This Is Mainly Due To A Chemical Reaction That happens When You Normally Mix Ammonia Based Products with Copper, The Ammonia Reacts With The Copper Inside Your Bore & Turns Blue - This Does Not Happen With KG Products.

With KG 12 You Find The Copper Comes Out Dark Brown / Golden Brown Colored

A Barnes .338 Cal Bullet 210 Grn XBT - Lot No 1019 - 12 / 10 / 1998 LF Was Used

1. For the test, each bullet was weighed 3 times to get an accurate weight in grains for the start.

2. Each bullet was then soaked in different copper solvents for 19 hours

3. After 19 hours each was taken out dried carefully and weighed 3 times , results taken and returned to the solvent for a further 5 hours.

4. At the end of 24 hours each bullet was removed from the test solvents dried and carefully weighed again and the results listed

All tests were conducted as fairly as I could and the results reflect what happened under the test conditions. You're mileage may vary.If you don't like the results feel free to spend the time doing your own tests.

If you are the manufacturer of one of the products tested don't send me hate mail if you don't like the results.

Or, you could send me additional samples to test and report on.

As far as I know all the information presented above is correct and I have attempted to insure that it is. However, I am not responsible for any errors, omissions, or damages resulting from the use or misuse of this information, nor for your doing something stupid with it. "

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BORE CLEANER / COPPER REMOVER TEST RESULTS FROM THE RIFLE STORE


http://www.laniganperformance.com/kg12testresults.html

LINK TO TEST

[TaylorWSO]

I switched to this stuff for my 50 BMG and now use it in all my "target" guns. I was convinced after a bottle of it leaked out of my range bag on to some 458 barnes copper solids. I could "see' the copper it had removed after a few days. It is better than wipe out and that stuff was great-good test

[Super B]

Any chance it might be TOO powerful and damage your bore?

[Azrial]

Thanks for the through test. Did you note what effects did this solvent has on fiberglass or wood finish?

[Steelcore_7.62]

Originally posted by Super B
Any chance it might be TOO powerful and damage your bore?

+1 on that. I'd like to see a similar test done on a small piece of quality steel. Usually, a corrosive/reactive is not selective on which metals it attacks.

I would definitely not leave it in a bore any longer than the directions indicate on the bottle and would chase it with a good CLP after use.

What kind of odor does this stuff emit?

Cheers,
Darrell

[Super B]

So you are a Darrell too, huh? We even spell our names the same!!! How cool is that?

[K. Funk]

OK, I ordred some. I'll let you know how it works.

krf

[ironman0311]

Guys,

I have no knowledge of this product, other than what we all read in the test I found online above.

I do know Joe Fazio (KG Industries) and all his products http://www.kgcoatings.com/firearms.html#1 are top rate.

My bet is that this product, as his others have, will work as advertised.

As to how much of a good thing is TOO much of a good thing and damaging the bore?

Here's what Joe says (KG ) about K-12:

Quoted From the website:

" KG-12 was developed to clean the copper fouling from large bore military weapons. KG-12 will provide shooters with a product which will remove the toughest of copper fouling without harming any other metal.

Unlike other etching, ammonia based cleaners, KG-12 will not hurt the metal of the bore. There is no need to "neutralize" KG-12 like you do with other Ammonia based products and no need to "get it out quick" like ammonia based enchants.

KG-12 contains no ammonia . KG-12 is water based . KG-12 will remove the worst of copper fouling, and it will do it fast.

KG-12 contains no synthetics. KG-12 was field tested on howitzers (One Million Dollars each) and other large bore guns with outstanding results.

When used in conjunction with KG-2, KG-3 and KG-4 you will find no better cleaning system on the market. In general you can call KG-12 the Million Dollar Gun Cleaner! "

[Borsig]

whats wrong with sweet's 7.62?

[ironman0311]

As a result of some of your questions (and my own) I called Joe and just happen to catch him home this morning.

We Had a great chat about K-12, and about life in general.

So, now that we spoke, here's what I know now about K-12.

1. Odor? (Quotes paraphrased)

"Virtually none"

2. Harmful to plastics, fiberglass, wood?

"Standard precautions should apply as with using any similar products. Try it on a non-exposed portion of the stock, grip,etc., to see how it reacts."

3. Harm to bore?

" The K-12 ONLY attacks (and only reacts with) copper. It will not damage your bore or any metal it comes in contact with. Use only nylon bore brushes, cotton patches, bore mops, etc. Product has been in use a couple of years now, with no negative feedback. "

Joe also told me an interesting aside;

As part of their R&D they soaked some British Two Pence coins, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Two_Pence_coin coins (copper coated/steel) all the copper was removed but underlying steel was unharmed and intact.

They have done the same with U.S. Pennies. (Copper plated/Zinc) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cent_%2...States_coin%29

All the copper coating was removed underlying zinc remained intact.

Same results with copper plated bullets they tested.

[TaylorWSO]

I put some on a barrel stub (crome moly) and it didnt touch it. This stuff will take the copper plate off of wolf and leave the steel. It doesnt smell.

[ironman0311]

Originally posted by Borsig
whats wrong with sweet's 7.62?

Nothing, If your satisfied with it.

I am simply reporting these findings as a hobbyist for the boards edification.

Do with them (or don't) as you will.

I enjoy seeking new information on new and better ways to accomplish things. The "quest for knowledge" ... as it were.

Sometimes we find some products that work better than the the tried-and-true standbys.

Sometimes we learn that the standbys are the still better choice.

Is this one of those times? I dunno?

The evidence, thus far AFAIK suggests that the newer product (K-12) is, but the only way to know sure is to get some and compare the two --one against the other.

If you decide to do that, please let use know what you've discovered.

[Cozmacozmy]

Thanks ironman!!! I've been looking for a copper cleaner that works for a Garand barrel that I have that is so fouled it looks like it was copper coated!

[dadman]

Looking at the test results, I might give the KG-12 a try.
Curently use Sweet's and Shooters Choice for copper removal.

[ironman0311]

If, and when, you guys get hold of the K-12, please post your experiences with it here, so we can see how it did?

Really interested to see how it does on the "copper coated" Garand!

Remember, no brushes, other than nylon, as per, Joe's admonition!

Thanks in advance!

[dadman]

Anyone see KG-12 sold at a gunshow or store in Ohio?