7.62 NATO BRASS ONCE FIRED

Ohio FAL · January 16, 2007, 19:54

I spoke with Jeff Bartlett yesterday concerning avaibility, Jeff told me that he won a bid and he would soon be posting it on his site. I just checked it and he has it @ $80/m. Better act soon as I don't think it will last.
Sam

kerplode · January 16, 2007, 20:12

Link?

Survey Punk · January 16, 2007, 21:42

http://www.gibrass.com/

JB

Ohio FAL · January 17, 2007, 15:51

As I have done over the years and helped others, use a head space gauge to set your bottleneck resizing die. Incipient case separation is held to a minimum. I am currently shooting M60 fired brass on their 5th full power loading(YMMV). Without the gauge I can guarantee your case will fail on the first or second firing. Clearing this jam is no fun

Sam

Adventurer_96 · January 17, 2007, 21:12

Good words, Ohio FAL. What dies, and what's the technique step-by-step?

SpitNine · January 17, 2007, 21:41

Quote:

Originally posted by Ohio FAL
As I have done over the years and helped others, use a head space gauge to set your bottleneck resizing die. Incipient case separation is held to a minimum. I am currently shooting M60 fired brass on their 5th full power loading(YMMV). Without the gauge I can guarantee your case will fail on the first or second firing. Clearing this jam is no fun
Sam

I wonder how many of us non-gunsmith reloaders happen to have a headspace gauge for .308 Win or 7.62x51? And, which one, Go, No-Go or Field?
Thanks

**C-ya** · January 17, 2007, 21:53

Quote:

Originally posted by SpitNine

I wonder how many of us non-gunsmith reloaders happen to have a headspace gauge for .308 Win or 7.62x51? And, which one, Go, No-Go or Field?
Thanks

Well, I'm no smith, but I built my FAL from a kit, so I have both a Go and a No-Go gauge. Not that I'd use a gauge to set my dies.

kerplode · January 17, 2007, 22:06

Quote:

Originally posted by SpitNine

I wonder how many of us non-gunsmith reloaders happen to have a headspace gauge for .308 Win or 7.62x51? And, which one, Go, No-Go or Field?
Thanks

AFAIK, you use a cartridge headspace guage to set the die, not a chamber headspace gauge. At least that's how I've always done it.

SpitNine · January 17, 2007, 22:19

Quote:

Originally posted by kerplode
AFAIK, you use a cartridge headspace guage to set the die, not a chamber headspace gauge. At least that's how I've always done it.

OhioFal needs to chime in here and clear things up a little.
Thanks.

win308 · January 18, 2007, 11:31

The easiest way, if you are loading for just one rifle, is to use one of the fired cartridge cases to measure with. Resize your first case with the sizer die just kissing the shoulder. Remove the case, wipe the lube off, and see if you can get the bolt to close on that case. If not, take that same case, turn your sizer die down 1/8 turn, resize the case and then remove the lube. Again, try to gently get the bolt to close on that case.

Repeat the process until the bolt will just close. Then try a different case, lube it up, size it, de-lube, and see if the bolt will just close. When you finally have the die adjusted to the point that several cases, when sized and de-lubed, will go into the chamber and the bolt just closes with a slight resistance, your sizer die is adjusted just where you want it to be.

The next time you fire one of those cases, there will be little if any stretch, as the brass just barely fits the chamber.....and thus has no excess headspace to stretch into. The brass will give you many more reloads with so little stretching.

Since you are loading for one chamber only, you don't need a headspace gage.

If you have more that one rifle, load a 1000 for one gun, then re adjust your die for the second gun and load a bunch for that one. Keep the two lots seperate and well labeled............ which goes to which gun.

Ohio FAL · January 18, 2007, 18:27

This gauge is entirely different then the one used to set head space on a weapon. A reloading head space gauge(All of mine are L.E. Wilson) is simple to use. First insert your resizing die as you would normally, I run mine until it touches my shell plate. I then back off 5-6 full turns, inserting a lubed, clean case. I use Unique lube from Hornady. I then re size the fired case, wipe off the lube and insert the case into the gauge. I hold the gauge on it's side and gently insert the case, never try and force the case into the gauge. On the bottom of the gauge is two "steps" max and minimum. When the sized case goes into the gauge base just flush with the gauge, this is max. Size more to the next level(.010) is minimum. Anymore is excessive head space. On the other end of the case is minimum for trim, any brass above the gauge needs to be trimmed off. Once I get the right amount of head space, I lock the die and then size. Initially I check every 10th brass and after 100 I check every 50. I have never had to reset my resizing die. I also check my loaded rounds the same way, never had a jam in my weapon.
Sam

bookertbab · January 18, 2007, 19:41

Resizing the brass to spec won't help you if the case was streched too far by being fired in a sloppy MG chamber. One thing you can do to check is run a paper clip on the inside of the cases to see if you detect any thinning of the case wall that would be present if the brass was over streched. If you detect any thinning throw away that case. The technique is explained in more detail on a number of reloading sites you can do a google search.

USSR · January 18, 2007, 19:43

Or, you can use the RCBS Precision Mic, like I do.

Don

January 16, 2007, 19:54	#1
Ohio FAL Registered FALaholic #: 19263 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Southern Ohio Posts: 46	7.62 NATO BRASS ONCE FIRED I spoke with Jeff Bartlett yesterday concerning avaibility, Jeff told me that he won a bid and he would soon be posting it on his site. I just checked it and he has it @ $80/m. Better act soon as I don't think it will last. Sam __________________ Speed's Fine But Accuracy Is Final!

January 16, 2007, 21:42	#3
Survey Punk FALaholic #: 8380 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Blounts Creek, NC Posts: 4,159	http://www.gibrass.com/ JB __________________ "If innocence is no protection from the weight of criminal law, a crucial incentive to maintain innocence is lost" Fran Haga

January 17, 2007, 15:51	#4
Ohio FAL Registered FALaholic #: 19263 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Southern Ohio Posts: 46	As I have done over the years and helped others, use a head space gauge to set your bottleneck resizing die. Incipient case separation is held to a minimum. I am currently shooting M60 fired brass on their 5th full power loading(YMMV). Without the gauge I can guarantee your case will fail on the first or second firing. Clearing this jam is no fun Sam __________________ Speed's Fine But Accuracy Is Final!

January 17, 2007, 21:12	#5
Adventurer_96 Registered FALaholic #: 5417 Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,281	Good words, Ohio FAL. What dies, and what's the technique step-by-step? __________________ Check Six.

January 18, 2007, 18:27	#11
Ohio FAL Registered FALaholic #: 19263 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Southern Ohio Posts: 46	This gauge is entirely different then the one used to set head space on a weapon. A reloading head space gauge(All of mine are L.E. Wilson) is simple to use. First insert your resizing die as you would normally, I run mine until it touches my shell plate. I then back off 5-6 full turns, inserting a lubed, clean case. I use Unique lube from Hornady. I then re size the fired case, wipe off the lube and insert the case into the gauge. I hold the gauge on it's side and gently insert the case, never try and force the case into the gauge. On the bottom of the gauge is two "steps" max and minimum. When the sized case goes into the gauge base just flush with the gauge, this is max. Size more to the next level(.010) is minimum. Anymore is excessive head space. On the other end of the case is minimum for trim, any brass above the gauge needs to be trimmed off. Once I get the right amount of head space, I lock the die and then size. Initially I check every 10th brass and after 100 I check every 50. I have never had to reset my resizing die. I also check my loaded rounds the same way, never had a jam in my weapon. Sam __________________ Speed's Fine But Accuracy Is Final!

January 16, 2007, 20:12	#2
kerplode Registered FALaholic #: 22374 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Northern Colorado Posts: 719	Link?

January 18, 2007, 11:31	#10
win308 Registered FALaholic #: 10585 Join Date: May 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 437	The easiest way, if you are loading for just one rifle, is to use one of the fired cartridge cases to measure with. Resize your first case with the sizer die just kissing the shoulder. Remove the case, wipe the lube off, and see if you can get the bolt to close on that case. If not, take that same case, turn your sizer die down 1/8 turn, resize the case and then remove the lube. Again, try to gently get the bolt to close on that case. Repeat the process until the bolt will just close. Then try a different case, lube it up, size it, de-lube, and see if the bolt will just close. When you finally have the die adjusted to the point that several cases, when sized and de-lubed, will go into the chamber and the bolt just closes with a slight resistance, your sizer die is adjusted just where you want it to be. The next time you fire one of those cases, there will be little if any stretch, as the brass just barely fits the chamber.....and thus has no excess headspace to stretch into. The brass will give you many more reloads with so little stretching. Since you are loading for one chamber only, you don't need a headspace gage. If you have more that one rifle, load a 1000 for one gun, then re adjust your die for the second gun and load a bunch for that one. Keep the two lots seperate and well labeled............ which goes to which gun.

January 18, 2007, 19:41	#12
bookertbab Registered Contributor FALaholic #: 5217 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,376	Resizing the brass to spec won't help you if the case was streched too far by being fired in a sloppy MG chamber. One thing you can do to check is run a paper clip on the inside of the cases to see if you detect any thinning of the case wall that would be present if the brass was over streched. If you detect any thinning throw away that case. The technique is explained in more detail on a number of reloading sites you can do a google search. __________________ Careful with that axe, Eugene. NRA Life member.

January 18, 2007, 19:43	#13
USSR Registered FALaholic #: 17322 Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finger Lakes Region of NY Posts: 159	Or, you can use the RCBS Precision Mic, like I do. Don

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