appleseed rifle instructors course -200 bucks

mosbysmen · January 15, 2007, 12:22

http://rwva.blogspot.com/2007/01/rwv...amseur-nc.html

learn how to teach others to shoot well .

**W.E.G.** · January 15, 2007, 13:13

No sooner than this post appeared, it was reported to the moderator.

Fair enough.

It probably is technically "advertising." However, $200 admission for any firearms training event of this sort of duration is closer to break-even money rather than a profit-making activity.

I've never attended an "Appleseed" event. Sounds like a good idea. Yet, as in all things that seem like a good idea, the merit is in the execution much more than the conception. I hope the Appleseed folks make it worth everybody's while. I am well aware that ther are mixed opinions as to the personalities, ethics and methods. I've read the rants. And I'll admit, some of what I read really did make me raise an eyebrow.

But, at the end of the day, my role in this is to decide whether the post is appropriate for the location it appears. The author wanted it here for a reason. The post is neither offensive or malicious. So, if this is where the author wants it, I'm not going to challenge that decision. As to the issue of whether this is "commerce," see my comments above regarding profit.

I reckon the post belongs here as much as anywhere else.

Carry on.

mosbysmen · January 15, 2007, 15:22

with ammo getting increasingly hard to find at a resonable price .
the abilty to teach others to shoot well is a important skill .
anyone who takes this course is not going to make money ,cause apple seed shoots are cheap to attend.
200 dollars for a seven day course is not bad , if i had known about it sooner i would be trying to attend .

JohnnyReb · January 15, 2007, 15:48

Thanks for keeping it up W.E.G.

I went to the last one, not to become an instructor, but just to shoot for a week straight.

cart · January 15, 2007, 17:01

hmm. NC not too far away. I wonder what the wife will say...

gunsmoke · January 15, 2007, 17:20

EXCELLENT INFORMATION!

AND A GOOD PLACE TO POST IT!

$200 FOR A WEEK OF QUALITY INSTRUCTION "COMMERCIAL?"

fry · January 15, 2007, 21:22

fifteen paying customers and free use of a range is three grand a weekend. i am a bit over qualified to instruct and really dont need the money.

gunsmoke · January 15, 2007, 22:01

ARITHMATIC????????

Dates: February 18 - 25, 2007
Time: Gates open at 8:30 am, and we'll shoot each day until dark or out of ammo.
Place: Revolutionary War Veterans Association Range, Ramseur, NC

February 18 - 25, 2007 IS A WEEK, NOT A WEEKEND.

Otis Treekiller · January 15, 2007, 22:09

Revolutionary War Veterans Association?

Those guys must be pushin' what? 250 yrs. old?

fry · January 15, 2007, 23:10

Quote:

Originally posted by gunsmoke
ARITHMATIC????????

Dates: February 18 - 25, 2007
Time: Gates open at 8:30 am, and we'll shoot each day until dark or out of ammo.
Place: Revolutionary War Veterans Association Range, Ramseur, NC

February 18 - 25, 2007 IS A WEEK, NOT A WEEKEND.

week/weekend. what ever the numbers are i can show you a huge profit, its my job.

i bet your whole program could bore the pants off a classified service rifle highpower shooter in five minutes or less. did i say five minutes/three minutes.

fry · January 15, 2007, 23:15

Quote:

Originally posted by mosbysmen
http://rwva.blogspot.com/2007/01/rwv...amseur-nc.html

learn how to teach others to shoot well .

so in one week anyone can not only learn how to shoot well, but also teach others to shoot well? all while in the great company of second amendment wingnuts.

Orion 762 · January 16, 2007, 02:12

I attended one of the Appleseed shoots in Alabama last year. 2-days, and the best $75 I ever spent! I learned to shoot "better", mainly re-learning things that are common sense, yet not practiced often enough. Best part was the comraderie with like minded folks!

Orion 762

ultimate · January 16, 2007, 03:31

What if you are a better shot than the instructor already?

Will they pay me $200 to attend and instruct?

I feel they should have to at least be a contributor to post this shit

Been up there a few times for matches before the main membership was kicked out for wanting to be able to continue to shoot 50 cals and legal machine guns
(It was called riverside gun club)

Something is wrong when the president of a gun club wants to make anti gun rules for a gun club, and gets voted out as President because of this so he closes the range down and starts a new club rvwa
Said president is head instructor BTW

davedude · January 16, 2007, 07:59

Wish I could go, there is always some value in just about any instruction. For me anyways.....I am almost qualified to stand next to a cook.
If I was there I could bitch about something....
I bought a bunch of Fred's practice AQT type targets and am dissapointed with them, they are sized for 25 meters and my local range is 50 and 100 yrds only.
How about some targets sized for 50 yrds and 100 yrds? Hello? DUH?

Didn't make it to the range this weekend, weather was real bad. Ok yeah that's a pussy excuse. Sue me :-)

Dave Dude

Fallschirmjager · January 16, 2007, 09:43

OK I'll 'fess up'. I did attend an Appleseed shoot. I really don't know all the politics involved, and really since I am not a current member of the current club nor a past member of the old club I am not qualified to elucidate on the political aspects of who did what to whom. And that is all I have to say about that.

That said there is a greater issue here. That issue is the 2nd Amendment. We all know it is a 'thorn in the side' of the liberal socialists. We all know that enemies of the Republic would like to eradicate the 2nd off the books so they could proceed to finish the job they have all been accomplishing since the 1968 GCA (a copy of the NAZI firearms law BTW).

Yea, I relearned some forgotten techniques of proper rifle marksmanship. I won't elaborate for the sake of space. But here is what I did take away from the 'structured' shoot.

1. We need more ranges. So I am trying to build on from ground up. And I don't get paid for it. It's a passion. For me, subguns are no problem and should be 'allowed' because the 'public' is uneducated in their ownership and use. IF there is a safe berm, belt feds are fine and for the same reason as subguns should be 'de-mystified'.

2. Every new 'rifleman' or whatever you want to call them is an additional 'thorn in the side' of the liberal socialists.

Why should we have more people 'educated' in rifleman skills? Because it pisses off the liberal socialists and it is one more potential person that they will have to 'deal with'. Whether anyone stands their ground or not remains to be seen. An no one really knows how they will react (yea we bluster etc.) but you never know until you face the Beast.

3. I found out there are more people that think alike than I expected.

Getting gun owners of all stripes on the same page must be done if the 2nd Amendment is to survive. And it will take far more for it to be strengthened and returned to it's rightful place. And that place is not the sporting crap being peddled. No one organization is perfect. No one organization can 'do it all'. It will take every type of shooter to make any advancement in Liberty happen. This is a grass roots endeavor. No other approach is going to work. We are going to have to 'out produce' the enemy by producing more people properly educated in the 2nd Amendment and what it stands for than they can produce to destroy it via myths, half-truths and outright lies. More and more firearms owners, riflemen if you will, have to be brought forth. And it will not be easy, it will not be 'monetarily profitable'. The profit will be in the victory of the 2nd Amendment over it's enemies and detractors.

And here is the chink in our armor. The shooting community is playing into the hands of the socialists by maintaining distention in the ranks and retaining the 'school playground' rivals of my shooting sport is more valid or 'better than' your shooting sport. WRONG. They are all important to the preservation of Liberty. Oddly enough gun owners/shooters/whatever label you are comfortable with, can take a page from the much maligned ACLU and NAACP. That page is simply this. The goal is the focus of the activities of the 'body' of the organization. Internal fractures should not impede the application of socio-political power to achieve the goal. Our goal should be the repeal of every un-Constitutional firearms law that has been passed. Not allowing them to 'sunset' as in the AWB. But the active repeal of said laws. That can only be accomplished by getting more people involved in shooting something...anything. If we can't do that, we won't win this war on Liberty. If we can't support every effort, even begrudgingly, to make more people politically aware of the debasement of the Constitution and Liberty as a whole, then we have paved the road to loosing the 'Hearts and Minds' war. If we loose this war, the next step should be too frightening of consider. And if that frightening 'next step' is the only alternative that Liberty has to survive; then there is a larger pool of people to utilize talent. Not all will step forward. But the larger the pool the greater the odds in our favor. And that is all I have to say about that.

JMHO.
[soapbox off]

ER · January 16, 2007, 18:00

Quote:

Something is wrong when the president of a gun club wants to make anti gun rules for a gun club, and gets voted out as President because of this so he closes the range down and starts a new club rvwa

huh? fred voted to do away with .50`s and FA stuff??? I thought that nutjob was PRO 2nd Amendment?? I guess he`s just another one of the "they can have yours, but not mine" crowd

mhg · January 16, 2007, 18:16

Quote:

Originally posted by ER

huh? fred voted to do away with .50`s and FA stuff??? I thought that nutjob was PRO 2nd Amendment?? I guess he`s just another one of the "they can have yours, but not mine" crowd

"Fred" (dogs name) is a nutjob?

Really?

Wow, what a shock....

Matt

JohnnyReb · January 16, 2007, 19:34

FYI Guys,

For all you Fred haters out there. Fred was not an instructor at the last one, and I bet he wont be an instructor at this one. So don't let that hold you back.

The RWVA home range is an AWESOME place to shoot. Most of people don't have a week to spend shooting, but RWVA has 1 day shoots about every 6-8 weeks. The cost is usually $40 for all day, and where else can you shoot military pop-ups out to 500 yards? I'd love to see some more Files members show up so I'm not one of the only FAL shooters there.

If I refused to shoot at a range that might have a few "kooks or nutjobs" then I might as well sell all my guns and give up shooting.

The bottom line is, the RWVA home range is AWESOME & safe place to shoot. It shouldn't be about personalities, and should be about having fun, fellowship, and maybe learning something new.

**W.E.G.** · January 16, 2007, 19:59

Quote:

Originally posted by JohnnyReb
...cost is usually $40 for all day, and where else can you shoot military pop-ups out to 500 yards? I'd love to see some more Files members show up so I'm not one of the only FAL shooters there.

Hell, I spent about that much to burn just one mag through an MP5 once.

Sorry I'll have to miss this one. I have EMT class that week.

legion489 · January 17, 2007, 11:58

No sooner was this posted than it was reported to teh mod....

Sounds like Mauser Boob striked again!

ThePitbullofLove · January 17, 2007, 19:25

Quote:

where else can you shoot military pop-ups out to 500 yards?

I used to be able to do that at my club, before Jack kicked Riverside Gun Club off the property for voting him out as President in a legal, by the rules (rules that he drafted, mind you) vote.

Hopefully, the legal issues will be resolved this year (man, there were a bunch of continuances...)

you're right, it *was* a great place to shoot,

fry · February 05, 2007, 18:00

Quote:

Originally posted by ultimate
What if you are a better shot than the instructor already?

you show up with a 338 rem ultra mag with brake and shoot the targets out like the red star at the county fair bb gun booth.

mhg · February 05, 2007, 18:43

Quote:

Originally posted by fry

you show up with a 338 rem ultra mag with brake and shoot the targets out like the red star at the county fair bb gun booth.

All the while asking "How am I doing?"

Matt

January 15, 2007, 12:22	#1
mosbysmen Senior Member Moderator FALaholic #: 782 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: louisana Posts: 2,356	appleseed rifle instructors course -200 bucks http://rwva.blogspot.com/2007/01/rwv...amseur-nc.html learn how to teach others to shoot well . __________________ fio para bellator be the prepared warrior Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.” ¯ Mark Twain "when you have integrity..... nothing else matters when you don't have integrity.... nothing else matters" Teach The Children This Simple Principle.... Bob Kelly "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -- WOW--What a Ride l

January 15, 2007, 13:13	#2
W.E.G. Administrator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1211 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 31,056	No sooner than this post appeared, it was reported to the moderator. Fair enough. It probably is technically "advertising." However, $200 admission for any firearms training event of this sort of duration is closer to break-even money rather than a profit-making activity. I've never attended an "Appleseed" event. Sounds like a good idea. Yet, as in all things that seem like a good idea, the merit is in the execution much more than the conception. I hope the Appleseed folks make it worth everybody's while. I am well aware that ther are mixed opinions as to the personalities, ethics and methods. I've read the rants. And I'll admit, some of what I read really did make me raise an eyebrow. But, at the end of the day, my role in this is to decide whether the post is appropriate for the location it appears. The author wanted it here for a reason. The post is neither offensive or malicious. So, if this is where the author wants it, I'm not going to challenge that decision. As to the issue of whether this is "commerce," see my comments above regarding profit. I reckon the post belongs here as much as anywhere else. Carry on. __________________ . . . Ask me about the Mason-Dixon FAL Collectors Association.

January 15, 2007, 15:22	#3
mosbysmen Senior Member Moderator FALaholic #: 782 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: louisana Posts: 2,356	with ammo getting increasingly hard to find at a resonable price . the abilty to teach others to shoot well is a important skill . anyone who takes this course is not going to make money ,cause apple seed shoots are cheap to attend. 200 dollars for a seven day course is not bad , if i had known about it sooner i would be trying to attend . __________________ fio para bellator be the prepared warrior Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.” ¯ Mark Twain "when you have integrity..... nothing else matters when you don't have integrity.... nothing else matters" Teach The Children This Simple Principle.... Bob Kelly "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -- WOW--What a Ride l

January 15, 2007, 17:20	#6
gunsmoke Registered FALaholic #: 14772 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: LOUISIANA Posts: 1,196	EXCELLENT INFORMATION! AND A GOOD PLACE TO POST IT! $200 FOR A WEEK OF QUALITY INSTRUCTION "COMMERCIAL?" __________________ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud

January 15, 2007, 21:22	#7
fry Registered FALaholic #: 5498 Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: SW WA Posts: 3,520	fifteen paying customers and free use of a range is three grand a weekend. i am a bit over qualified to instruct and really dont need the money. __________________ The sea stalks the unwary and relentlessly pursues the careless ... ....o_o_o_o ./\| ,[_____], \|¯l¯¯L-O\|\|\|\|\|O_ ()_)¯()_)¯¯¯ )_)

January 15, 2007, 15:48	#4
JohnnyReb Registered FALaholic #: 12093 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NC & NV Posts: 3,433	Thanks for keeping it up W.E.G. I went to the last one, not to become an instructor, but just to shoot for a week straight.

January 15, 2007, 17:01	#5
cart Registered FALaholic #: 3833 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: USA Posts: 271	hmm. NC not too far away. I wonder what the wife will say...

January 15, 2007, 22:01	#8
gunsmoke Registered FALaholic #: 14772 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: LOUISIANA Posts: 1,196	ARITHMATIC???????? Dates: February 18 - 25, 2007 Time: Gates open at 8:30 am, and we'll shoot each day until dark or out of ammo. Place: Revolutionary War Veterans Association Range, Ramseur, NC February 18 - 25, 2007 IS A WEEK, NOT A WEEKEND. __________________ "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud

January 15, 2007, 22:09	#9
Otis Treekiller Registered FALaholic #: 21060 Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Last single-wide on the left. Posts: 1,725	Revolutionary War Veterans Association? Those guys must be pushin' what? 250 yrs. old?

January 16, 2007, 02:12	#12
Orion 762 Registered FALaholic #: 3964 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Mississippi Posts: 433	I attended one of the Appleseed shoots in Alabama last year. 2-days, and the best $75 I ever spent! I learned to shoot "better", mainly re-learning things that are common sense, yet not practiced often enough. Best part was the comraderie with like minded folks! Orion 762 __________________ *"When, in the course of human events, . . . "*

January 16, 2007, 03:31	#13
ultimate Registered FALaholic #: 19244 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1	What if you are a better shot than the instructor already? Will they pay me $200 to attend and instruct? I feel they should have to at least be a contributor to post this shit Been up there a few times for matches before the main membership was kicked out for wanting to be able to continue to shoot 50 cals and legal machine guns (It was called riverside gun club) Something is wrong when the president of a gun club wants to make anti gun rules for a gun club, and gets voted out as President because of this so he closes the range down and starts a new club rvwa Said president is head instructor BTW

January 16, 2007, 07:59	#14
davedude Registered FALaholic #: 20538 Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Dallas-Fort Worth Posts: 3,876	Wish I could go, there is always some value in just about any instruction. For me anyways.....I am almost qualified to stand next to a cook. If I was there I could bitch about something.... I bought a bunch of Fred's practice AQT type targets and am dissapointed with them, they are sized for 25 meters and my local range is 50 and 100 yrds only. How about some targets sized for 50 yrds and 100 yrds? Hello? DUH? Didn't make it to the range this weekend, weather was real bad. Ok yeah that's a pussy excuse. Sue me :-) Dave Dude

January 16, 2007, 09:43	#15
Fallschirmjager Registered FALaholic #: 2470 Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 327	OK I'll 'fess up'. I did attend an Appleseed shoot. I really don't know all the politics involved, and really since I am not a current member of the current club nor a past member of the old club I am not qualified to elucidate on the political aspects of who did what to whom. And that is all I have to say about that. That said there is a greater issue here. That issue is the 2nd Amendment. We all know it is a 'thorn in the side' of the liberal socialists. We all know that enemies of the Republic would like to eradicate the 2nd off the books so they could proceed to finish the job they have all been accomplishing since the 1968 GCA (a copy of the NAZI firearms law BTW). Yea, I relearned some forgotten techniques of proper rifle marksmanship. I won't elaborate for the sake of space. But here is what I did take away from the 'structured' shoot. 1. We need more ranges. So I am trying to build on from ground up. And I don't get paid for it. It's a passion. For me, subguns are no problem and should be 'allowed' because the 'public' is uneducated in their ownership and use. IF there is a safe berm, belt feds are fine and for the same reason as subguns should be 'de-mystified'. 2. Every new 'rifleman' or whatever you want to call them is an additional 'thorn in the side' of the liberal socialists. Why should we have more people 'educated' in rifleman skills? Because it pisses off the liberal socialists and it is one more potential person that they will have to 'deal with'. Whether anyone stands their ground or not remains to be seen. An no one really knows how they will react (yea we bluster etc.) but you never know until you face the Beast. 3. I found out there are more people that think alike than I expected. Getting gun owners of all stripes on the same page must be done if the 2nd Amendment is to survive. And it will take far more for it to be strengthened and returned to it's rightful place. And that place is not the sporting crap being peddled. No one organization is perfect. No one organization can 'do it all'. It will take every type of shooter to make any advancement in Liberty happen. This is a grass roots endeavor. No other approach is going to work. We are going to have to 'out produce' the enemy by producing more people properly educated in the 2nd Amendment and what it stands for than they can produce to destroy it via myths, half-truths and outright lies. More and more firearms owners, riflemen if you will, have to be brought forth. And it will not be easy, it will not be 'monetarily profitable'. The profit will be in the victory of the 2nd Amendment over it's enemies and detractors. And here is the chink in our armor. The shooting community is playing into the hands of the socialists by maintaining distention in the ranks and retaining the 'school playground' rivals of my shooting sport is more valid or 'better than' your shooting sport. WRONG. They are all important to the preservation of Liberty. Oddly enough gun owners/shooters/whatever label you are comfortable with, can take a page from the much maligned ACLU and NAACP. That page is simply this. The goal is the focus of the activities of the 'body' of the organization. Internal fractures should not impede the application of socio-political power to achieve the goal. Our goal should be the repeal of every un-Constitutional firearms law that has been passed. Not allowing them to 'sunset' as in the AWB. But the active repeal of said laws. That can only be accomplished by getting more people involved in shooting something...anything. If we can't do that, we won't win this war on Liberty. If we can't support every effort, even begrudgingly, to make more people politically aware of the debasement of the Constitution and Liberty as a whole, then we have paved the road to loosing the 'Hearts and Minds' war. If we loose this war, the next step should be too frightening of consider. And if that frightening 'next step' is the only alternative that Liberty has to survive; then there is a larger pool of people to utilize talent. Not all will step forward. But the larger the pool the greater the odds in our favor. And that is all I have to say about that. JMHO. [soapbox off] __________________ Oh what the heck, just throw the grenade and be done with it!

January 16, 2007, 19:34	#18
JohnnyReb Registered FALaholic #: 12093 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: NC & NV Posts: 3,433	FYI Guys, For all you Fred haters out there. Fred was not an instructor at the last one, and I bet he wont be an instructor at this one. So don't let that hold you back. The RWVA home range is an AWESOME place to shoot. Most of people don't have a week to spend shooting, but RWVA has 1 day shoots about every 6-8 weeks. The cost is usually $40 for all day, and where else can you shoot military pop-ups out to 500 yards? I'd love to see some more Files members show up so I'm not one of the only FAL shooters there. If I refused to shoot at a range that might have a few "kooks or nutjobs" then I might as well sell all my guns and give up shooting. The bottom line is, the RWVA home range is AWESOME & safe place to shoot. It shouldn't be about personalities, and should be about having fun, fellowship, and maybe learning something new.

January 17, 2007, 11:58	#20
legion489 Registered FALaholic #: 6297 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa City, Iowa Posts: 533	No sooner was this posted than it was reported to teh mod.... Sounds like Mauser Boob striked again!

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