Ever heard of upper receiver RE-Welds ?

[thompsonjoedeals]

Was just told by an aquaintance, he found a complete BandSaw cut IMBEL Receiver and had a GOOD welder do it up.

He claim's he has put over 1000 rounds thru it .....no stress or cracks!! All measured spec's match original weld date.

Ever heard of such a challange ???

Thanks

[K.O.A.M.]

Apart from that pesky National Firearms Act (I'm assuming no one cut up a receiver that was semi-auto only), sounds like it might work for a sub caliber.

That being said, sounds like your friend has an unpapered machinegun according to ATF. Good luck with that.

[thompsonjoedeals]

I could care less about what he does, I no it's Illegal

But safe ???? I told him, I thought he could kill himself or hurt someone else.

[Rivaltm]

there are rewelds of almost every firearm ever made here in the states.

many of them are registered NFA stuff - alot of MP44 and MP38 transferrables, as well as german MG's, are rewelds.

Some M1 Garand and M1 carbine receivers are the same story - rewelds.

[jaykden]

have you seen this gun? and if so, have you ever seen it fired?


i call BS on this one, i think your friend is just blowing smoke where the sun don't shine

[jaykden]

oh, bandsaw cut, i was thinkin 'torch-cut'. but even still, a re-welded receiver? geeeze, i dunno, seems like there would be all SORTS of issues, from strength, to angles being right, even grinding off the extra weld metal. its pretty flippin stupid to to that and have an illegal MG on your hands.

[kev]

I know of several rewelded FAL receivers with thousands of trouble-free rounds thru them. Very common. Rewelds have a bad name due to the common practice of rewelding cut up Garand receivers back in the 60's, but what nobody seems to realize is that THOSE receivers were originally cut up because the guns were unserviceable. Either from severe wear, battle damage, or fire. The receiver scrap was junk to begin with. Nowadays many if not most cut up receivers come from new or excellent condition firearms that are being demilled for some legal consideration. Properly welded they're good as new. The FAL receiver is one of the most critical rebuilds due to the tiny amount of receiver metal along the left side of the gun and the fact that all firing stress is transferred to the locking shoulder aft of the magwell, but properly done they can be rebuilt.

[cessna-pilot]

Very Dangerous, and just plain ILLEGAL AS HELL.......

[kev]

Probably illegal for you, but not for everyone. I don't do it myself,.........I'm not allowed either, but I know many who are. I'm equally sure it's dangerous for those who don't know what they're doing.

[Bigger_Is_Better]

OK, I have a question and I believe I know the answer. How are they illegal to posses when the atf had to say they were legal to come into the country in the first place. I believe "once it's legal it's legal". Only ones that were cut that way after the atf determined that wasn't legal should be illegal.

I know, they do what they want to and there doesn't have to be any rhyme or reason to it.

Aaron

[kycrawler]

atf has repoed a few types of kits that were approved and imported with "bad " parts ie the m 76 rifles they just snatched up

[kev]

ATF doesn't physically inspect every import for compliance, but if they later find out something was brought in and improperly demilled they will go on a witch-hunt for the parts. Current requirements for the receivers are 3 torch-cuts and ATF will show you where they want the cuts. Previous requirements allowed a single saw-cut, and those demils still exist, but of course if ATF sees one they will want to make an issue of it. That doesn't make it illegal, but it certainly puts it into the 'more trouble than it's worth' category.

"Once a machinegun, always a machinegun" only lasts until something is properly demilled. Once it's cut up it's no longer a machinegun(or anything else for that matter)and you can rebuild it, assuming the new build doesn't again fall under the NFA. Technically, if you take FAL demilled scrap and fill the sear slot with weld, and THEN remanufacture the scrap into a semi receiver, you haven't done anything wrong. Having someone from ATF say you have simply shows that individuals at ATF don't necessarily know what they're talking about. You could fight them and probably even win, but again,.......how much trouble is it worth? Keep in mind that ATF has a serious supply of trouble they'd be happy to share with you.

Best advice is in three parts,......

1)Don't do anything stupid and blow yourself up.

2)Don't do anything stupid and go to jail.

3)Don't go screaming about how everybody is doing something illegal unless you know what you're talking about. Damn few people know what they're talking about.

[chromestarhustler]

yeah, i remember some welders i worked with saying the old machine guns that were band saw cut could be placed in a welding jig after figuring out the thickness of the band saw blade that cut them. then weld them up. remachine them. and they had an functioning weapon. iirc thats why the atf went to torch cut.

[cessna-pilot]

All opinions aside ....I can bet my next paycheck if you had a ATF agent take a glance at an original STG rec that was welded back together, you would have it at least confiscated until they could look up the local "technical specialist"
to make a ruling......not fun in my book.....not to mention the safety aspect of a high pressure round such as the 7.62x51 NATO.....if he was talking about a .45 or 9mm build, maybe it would'nt be so risky.

Just my 2 cents, but I would spend the 350-400 for a LEGAL semi rec.....
I'm too darn handsome to be in club fed for 10 years over a kit build

[fire for effect]

the problem I see is that in the Garand re-welds, the work was all done behind the locking lugs, where as in the FAL, the work will be done in front of the locking lug, and putting severe stress on the weld.

[zimm5]

kinda off subject,but does the batfe have any jurisdiction over american indians seems they get around gambling laws
on subject, tig welds are usually stronger than origanal metal, and if stress relieved properly gun should not be weaker in weld area

[nvcdl]

Originally posted by zimm5
kinda off subject,but does the batfe have any jurisdiction over american indians seems they get around gambling laws
on subject, tig welds are usually stronger than origanal metal, and if stress relieved properly gun should not be weaker in weld area

I bet the indians could make firearms without worrying about atf and sell them on the reseveation - not the same kind of money as in gambling tho

According to some conspiracy theorists the Cabazon Indian reservation was used by Wakenhut for otherwise illegal weapons programs due to their sovereign status.

[flint_knapper]

You could /would probably be ok as long as the firearm
stayed on the res..............