Is the +P+ Isreali ammo safe for my 9mm AR15?

Bigger_Is_Better · December 10, 2006, 12:26

I was just curious if this ammo would be safe in a Rock River Arms 9mm that I am building. It is going to be an SBR with a 10.5" barrel.

Thanks,
Aaron

Bigger_Is_Better · December 11, 2006, 17:22

Anyone?

Glock63 · December 11, 2006, 18:14

yes. Some people believe the israeli is corrosive, so clean your rifle well after shooting. Not difficult with a 9mm ar as it is blowback and has no gas system.

Sig220 · December 11, 2006, 18:56

Hell, I will try it in mine..........where can we get it????????

**1gewehr** · December 11, 2006, 19:38

Are you asking about the Israeli surplus from Southern ammo?
If so, here is my experience with the stuff. Not really "+P+". Just regular Nato-spec stuff. Has VERY hard primers. Not really reliable out of anything except open-bolt subguns. My Sterling and Swedish K love it. I can't get it to go 'bang' reliably in any pistol.
Most that I got was '70's date Israeli manufacture. That's non-corrosive. But there is some '50's RG, '60's FN, and some of the horribly corrosive Egyptian mixed in for grins and giggles.
There's a reason it's cheap.
1gewehr

Bigger_Is_Better · December 11, 2006, 20:50

My buddy just ordered 2000rnds for his NFA Mac. I think he paid like $75 a thousand. He still hasn't told me where yet. I'll have to bug him about it some more. Sig, if I can get it out of him, I'll let you know.

Aaron

Sig220 · December 11, 2006, 22:09

Quote:

Originally posted by Bigger_Is_Better
My buddy just ordered 2000rnds for his NFA Mac. I think he paid like $75 a thousand. He still hasn't told me where yet. I'll have to bug him about it some more. Sig, if I can get it out of him, I'll let you know.

Aaron

Aaron, I think I may have found it at "SouthernAmmo",

Here is the link that I found........:http://www.southernammo.com/products...htm#ammopistol

This shows to be IMI stuff, runs about $80 a K plus shipping. If you find another spot, I would be interested!!

Thanks!

Bigger_Is_Better · December 12, 2006, 14:47

I imagine that's where he got it.

Thanks,
Aaron

tommygun2000 · December 12, 2006, 15:14

Quote:

Originally posted by Bigger_Is_Better
My buddy just ordered 2000rnds for his NFA Mac. I think he paid like $75 a thousand. He still hasn't told me where yet. I'll have to bug him about it some more. Sig, if I can get it out of him, I'll let you know.

Aaron

The money he saved can be used to repair his gun after it breaks.

I think your buddy needs to do some research before he buys ammo.
9mm +P+ ammo is much to hot for a MAC. It was made for guns with heavy bolts and heavy barrels.
Those guns (MACs) were made for standard velocity ammunition. Their barrels are thin and so is the chamber area and the bolt is light with a light recoil spring. It will raise the rate of fire significantly to the point of being uncontrollable and it will beat the hell out of his gun in short order.

kycrawler · December 12, 2006, 19:20

pats reloading had the izzy syub gun ammo also it is too hot ofr an ar rifle beats the poo out of it works great in uzi and sten guns

**stimpsonjcat** · December 13, 2006, 11:05

I ran corrosion tests on this stuff a while back and most of it is corrossive.

Also, several folks have had squibs with this ammo, myself included. Not a big deal in the UZI, as the bbl is thick and easily replaced, but wouldn't be fun in anything thin or with a locking bolt.

Go with God.

ammolab · December 13, 2006, 12:50

[QUOTE]Originally posted by stimpsonjcat
[B]I ran corrosion tests on this stuff a while back and most of it is corrossive.

QUOTE]

Same here...all the 1970s Israeli 9mm I have tested was Boxer/CORROSIVE.

December 10, 2006, 12:26	#1
Bigger_Is_Better Registered FALaholic #: 4906 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Battlefield, MO Posts: 3,922	Is the +P+ Isreali ammo safe for my 9mm AR15? I was just curious if this ammo would be safe in a Rock River Arms 9mm that I am building. It is going to be an SBR with a 10.5" barrel. Thanks, Aaron __________________ "bipity, bopity, bacon!" Jim Gaffigan When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Science has questions that can't be answered. Religion has answers that can't be questioned.

December 11, 2006, 17:22	#2
Bigger_Is_Better Registered FALaholic #: 4906 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Battlefield, MO Posts: 3,922	Anyone? __________________ "bipity, bopity, bacon!" Jim Gaffigan When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Science has questions that can't be answered. Religion has answers that can't be questioned.

December 11, 2006, 18:56	#4
Sig220 Registered FALaholic #: 11622 Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: SE Texas Posts: 4,869	Hell, I will try it in mine..........where can we get it???????? __________________ Sometimes you are the bug.....sometimes the windshield.

December 11, 2006, 19:38	#5
1gewehr Curio & Relic Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 2004 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: TN Posts: 2,155	Are you asking about the Israeli surplus from Southern ammo? If so, here is my experience with the stuff. Not really "+P+". Just regular Nato-spec stuff. Has VERY hard primers. Not really reliable out of anything except open-bolt subguns. My Sterling and Swedish K love it. I can't get it to go 'bang' reliably in any pistol. Most that I got was '70's date Israeli manufacture. That's non-corrosive. But there is some '50's RG, '60's FN, and some of the horribly corrosive Egyptian mixed in for grins and giggles. There's a reason it's cheap. 1gewehr __________________ "Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss!"

December 11, 2006, 20:50	#6
Bigger_Is_Better Registered FALaholic #: 4906 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Battlefield, MO Posts: 3,922	My buddy just ordered 2000rnds for his NFA Mac. I think he paid like $75 a thousand. He still hasn't told me where yet. I'll have to bug him about it some more. Sig, if I can get it out of him, I'll let you know. Aaron __________________ "bipity, bopity, bacon!" Jim Gaffigan When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Science has questions that can't be answered. Religion has answers that can't be questioned.

December 11, 2006, 18:14	#3
Glock63 Registered FALaholic #: 1827 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Conde, SD USA Posts: 67	yes. Some people believe the israeli is corrosive, so clean your rifle well after shooting. Not difficult with a 9mm ar as it is blowback and has no gas system.

December 12, 2006, 14:47	#8
Bigger_Is_Better Registered FALaholic #: 4906 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Battlefield, MO Posts: 3,922	I imagine that's where he got it. Thanks, Aaron __________________ "bipity, bopity, bacon!" Jim Gaffigan When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. Science has questions that can't be answered. Religion has answers that can't be questioned.

December 12, 2006, 19:20	#10
kycrawler Registered FALaholic #: 19787 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Crawfordsville IN Posts: 1,274	pats reloading had the izzy syub gun ammo also it is too hot ofr an ar rifle beats the poo out of it works great in uzi and sten guns

December 13, 2006, 11:05	#11
stimpsonjcat Windoze free since 1-2010 Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 470 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Dawsonville, GA Posts: 4,196	I ran corrosion tests on this stuff a while back and most of it is corrossive. Also, several folks have had squibs with this ammo, myself included. Not a big deal in the UZI, as the bbl is thick and easily replaced, but wouldn't be fun in anything thin or with a locking bolt. Go with God. __________________ peace! Happiness=UPS+ORMD "Your 8mm FAL is like a deuce coup with a Ferrari pancake 12 under the hood and a Jaguar rear end. It just kinda transcends cool into fantasy."- USMC 0341 "The stimpgewehr is the reason Waldo is hiding."- Kotengu Cause I can still hear his voice when I put it to my shoulder, "A guns like a woman son, it's all how you hold her."

December 13, 2006, 12:50	#12
ammolab Registered FALaholic #: 10923 Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,683	[QUOTE]Originally posted by stimpsonjcat [B]I ran corrosion tests on this stuff a while back and most of it is corrossive. QUOTE] Same here...all the 1970s Israeli 9mm I have tested was Boxer/CORROSIVE.

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