What the original finish on G1's

Stg 58 · August 25, 2001, 19:11

zinc phosphate of paint over phosphate?

DABTL · August 25, 2001, 20:33

One of mine had a new barrel on it. You can clearly see where it was painted over parking. The paint ended at the FH.

I am painting the barrel for the Williams receiver. I think that will be the best match.

Gavin · August 26, 2001, 11:00

What colour paint?
also... BILL - your pic link is broken, the dreaded red X syndrome.
Gavin

**EMDII** · August 26, 2001, 11:05

Black satin black (or semi-gloss) over parkerizing on the two samples I handled at Tapco.

However, pictures in Stevens seem to indicate a straight Parkerizing for many!

LVACGAR · August 26, 2001, 11:12

I'll have to post pics soon, but my first G1 upper was completely refinished. The barrel (#2498) is new. I have not cleaned it yet to determine if the paint stops at the FH.

Appears at this time to be painted. The only wear on this upper is the sight ear corners. Nice cartouches on the barrel! Wish I had the lower to this rifle!

ricochet · August 26, 2001, 15:29

I got 3 kits, of these 2 were painted (barrels) and 1 was just grey park. The 2 painted barrels were as new, or close, the parked one had more wear and had been handled a lot. All 3 of my lowers were strictly park, with wear and beat up buttplates. I wish I could buy more, the barrels were my biggest concern, I just wish I could figure out how to remove the quick detach brake. I expected pitted barrels, I am happy with mine.

As the post before me, I wish I had got the lower that was with these barrels, but I am not complaining. I will use the British Sten paint on mine (from DSA), IT SEEMS TO BE VERY TUFF STUFF, and matches fairly well.

gunhead · August 26, 2001, 20:53

Hi STG;
Mine(G1) has all the finish & its all parkerized, both Barrel, associated parts, remainder of the Recvr & the lower. I do not see paint anywhere

GL.......

Stg 58 · August 27, 2001, 00:22

While cleaning my kits it seems like my lowers are blued.I also notice the black paint on the portion where the FH covered.
lookig at the picture ib the Fal Bible it seem that they are zinc phosphate but the pitures on gunthing clearly show what appears to be black paint on the type 2 one.Trying to make mine as authentic as can be so kinda nitpicking. Thanks

DABTL · August 27, 2001, 11:53

I found shellac on one of my lowers. Probably from refinishing the buttstock, however. Maybe a fully shellaced FAL would look interesting?

I think the finish probably started out as all parking with some being painted along the way. Definitely the Turks painted rather than park again to repair worn units.

For the sort of clone/original look I am going to park one and not paint.

The one I am building on the Williams will ultimately have a DSA LW lower and I will paint that gun where it is not anodized. I may have to anodize the lower to match the receiver if DSA is not a close color match.

I figured the FN barrels were worth close to the price of the kit alone.

usmc326 · August 27, 2001, 12:49

Most early G3's(H&K-91 type) were finished in zinc phosphate(gray) too.
Probably because of the time frame.

The first manganese phosphate(black) I
encountered were on the non-Ingram MAC's, some Vietnam-era M14 mags, and post-Vietnam bayonets.

I'll bet Buddie or Bill at Tapco could give a year that manganese phosphate
started being used.

August 25, 2001, 19:11	#1
Stg 58 Registered FALaholic #: 3023 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Wash Posts: 579	What the original finish on G1's zinc phosphate of paint over phosphate?

August 26, 2001, 11:00	#3
Gavin Registered FALaholic #: 3880 Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 313	What colour paint? also... BILL - your pic link is broken, the dreaded red X syndrome. Gavin __________________ Whatever happens, I have got The Maxim gun, and they have not http://www.mg0815.com

August 26, 2001, 11:05	#4
EMDII Evil Moderator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 6 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Kennesaw, GA Posts: 13,971	Black satin black (or semi-gloss) over parkerizing on the two samples I handled at Tapco. However, pictures in Stevens seem to indicate a straight Parkerizing for many! __________________ "The Spartans do not enquire how many enemy there are. The SPartans merely enquire WHERE they are." E.M. (Ted) Dannemiller II 1*

August 26, 2001, 11:12	#5
LVACGAR Registered FALaholic #: 3466 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: South Florida Posts: 338	I'll have to post pics soon, but my first G1 upper was completely refinished. The barrel (#2498) is new. I have not cleaned it yet to determine if the paint stops at the FH. Appears at this time to be painted. The only wear on this upper is the sight ear corners. Nice cartouches on the barrel! Wish I had the lower to this rifle! __________________ USMC MP HQSVC Battalion-3rd FSSG-Kinser Parris Island-Pendleton-Okinawa Semper Fi Brothers

August 26, 2001, 15:29	#6
ricochet Registered FALaholic #: 1684 Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: next door to my neighbors, in Texas of the the USA Posts: 1,426	I got 3 kits, of these 2 were painted (barrels) and 1 was just grey park. The 2 painted barrels were as new, or close, the parked one had more wear and had been handled a lot. All 3 of my lowers were strictly park, with wear and beat up buttplates. I wish I could buy more, the barrels were my biggest concern, I just wish I could figure out how to remove the quick detach brake. I expected pitted barrels, I am happy with mine. As the post before me, I wish I had got the lower that was with these barrels, but I am not complaining. I will use the British Sten paint on mine (from DSA), IT SEEMS TO BE VERY TUFF STUFF, and matches fairly well. __________________ It is what it is... ... NRA Endowment Lifetime Member-

August 25, 2001, 20:33	#2
DABTL Registered FALaholic #: 138 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Texas Posts: 31,462	One of mine had a new barrel on it. You can clearly see where it was painted over parking. The paint ended at the FH. I am painting the barrel for the Williams receiver. I think that will be the best match. __________________ "The work begins anew, the hope rises again, and the dream lives on." Ted Kennedy 2008

August 26, 2001, 20:53	#7
gunhead Registered FALaholic #: 2820 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Port Charlotte, Florida Posts: 2,395	Hi STG; Mine(G1) has all the finish & its all parkerized, both Barrel, associated parts, remainder of the Recvr & the lower. I do not see paint anywhere GL....... __________________ Gun-Head "Who ever said that Common Sense was so Common?"

August 27, 2001, 00:22	#8
Stg 58 Registered FALaholic #: 3023 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Wash Posts: 579	While cleaning my kits it seems like my lowers are blued.I also notice the black paint on the portion where the FH covered. lookig at the picture ib the Fal Bible it seem that they are zinc phosphate but the pitures on gunthing clearly show what appears to be black paint on the type 2 one.Trying to make mine as authentic as can be so kinda nitpicking. Thanks

August 27, 2001, 11:53	#9
DABTL Registered FALaholic #: 138 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Texas Posts: 31,462	I found shellac on one of my lowers. Probably from refinishing the buttstock, however. Maybe a fully shellaced FAL would look interesting? I think the finish probably started out as all parking with some being painted along the way. Definitely the Turks painted rather than park again to repair worn units. For the sort of clone/original look I am going to park one and not paint. The one I am building on the Williams will ultimately have a DSA LW lower and I will paint that gun where it is not anodized. I may have to anodize the lower to match the receiver if DSA is not a close color match. I figured the FN barrels were worth close to the price of the kit alone. __________________ "The work begins anew, the hope rises again, and the dream lives on." Ted Kennedy 2008

August 27, 2001, 12:49	#10
usmc326 Registered FALaholic #: 202 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: MN, USA Posts: 1,322	Most early G3's(H&K-91 type) were finished in zinc phosphate(gray) too. Probably because of the time frame. The first manganese phosphate(black) I encountered were on the non-Ingram MAC's, some Vietnam-era M14 mags, and post-Vietnam bayonets. I'll bet Buddie or Bill at Tapco could give a year that manganese phosphate started being used.

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