rules for the Wile E. Coyote School of Gunsmithin' - WECSOG

**W.E.G.** · January 23, 2001, 15:31

(with proper acknowledgment to TOOL as the origin of the school's name)

Rule 1. The Road Runner cannot harm the Coyote except by going "Beep-Beep! (or WTF!)"
Rule 2. No outside force can harm the Coyote - only his own ineptitude or the failure of Acme products.
Rule 3. The Coyote could stop anytime - if he were not a fanatic. ("A fanatic is one who redoubles his effort when he has forgotten his aim." - George Santayana)
Rule 4. No dialogue ever, except "Beep-Beep! (or WTF)"
Rule 5. The Road Runner must stay on the road (or the FAL board). (i.e. the name Road Runner)
Rule 6. All action must be confined to the southwest american desert. (natural environment of the two characters...or the FAL board and the basement of Jeter's shack)
Rule 7. All materials, tools, weapons, or mechanical conviniences must be obtained from the Acme Corporation.
Rule 8. Whenever possible, make gravity the Coyote's greatest enemy.
Rule 9. The Coyote is always more humiliated than harmed by his failures.
Rule 10. The audience's sympathy must remain with the Coyote.

[ August 25, 2001: Message edited by: gary.jeter ]

fubar · January 23, 2001, 16:24

Acme....Hesse....Acme....Hesse...Hmmmmmmmmm.

**stimpsonjcat** · January 23, 2001, 22:59

11. Devices which don't work when activated should be jumped up and down on or pushed against...whichever is more likely to cause personal (Coyote) injury.

12. Explosives are proximity based...i.e. they only work near the instigator.

13. Everything falls faster than an anvil (I can't believe you forgot this one).

14. The only reason ole Wile E. never got anything to work was because he didn't have a DREMEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

peace!

**W.E.G.** · January 23, 2001, 23:06

I'm thinking about a school logo.

Maybe Wile E. wielding a 2 lb. hammer against the front sight of a FAL. One hand on the flash suppressor, one hand raised high, wielding the hammer. Rifle laid across a LARGE ACME anvil. Both feet in the air. Evil grimace on face. Roadrunner in the backround with incredulous expression and thought ballon that reads...you guessed it...WTF!!!

law4fun · January 23, 2001, 23:20

Quote:

Originally posted by gary.jeter:
I'm thinking about a school logo.

Maybe Wile E. wielding a 2 lb. hammer against the front sight of a FAL. One hand on the flash suppressor, one hand raised high, wielding the hammer. Rifle laid across a LARGE ACME anvil. Both feet in the air. Evil grimace on face. Roadrunner in the backround with incredulous expression and thought ballon that reads...you guessed it...WTF!!!

A diploma from this institution would look good hanging next to my admission certificate...kind of sounds like practicing criminal law with certain incarcerated clients

[This message has been edited by law4fun (edited January 24, 2001).]

Enquiring Minds · January 24, 2001, 08:17

Your only competitor will be the "Angry Beaver School of Hack-smithing", also coined (IIRC) by someone in the desert SW.

Bubba · January 25, 2001, 17:41

I can help wit the logo if you need it.
Bubba.

archy · January 25, 2001, 18:16

Beep Beep!

**W.E.G.** · January 25, 2001, 18:30

Quote:

Originally posted by Bubba:
I can help wit the logo if you need it.
Bubba.

You have my unqualified (now there's an appropriate word) authorization to employ your most keen creative genius headlong toward the objective. At WECSOG we encourage our students to think "outside the box."

**W.E.G.** · January 25, 2001, 18:38

Quote:

Originally posted by fubar:
Acme....Hesse....Acme....Hesse...Hmmmmmmmmm.

You wanna talk about WEIRD AND CREEPY? There was a gen-u-ine ACME delivery truck idling right in front of the front door of the office this morning. For real. You should have seen the look on the driver's face when I knocked on the window and asked him if he had my inch-and-a-half air hammer and compressor. He said, "No sir, we just deliver paper." I stared at him indignantly as I blurted, "What???...Paper!!...Mister, you know coyotes don't wipe. You got the wrong address!

**W.E.G.** · January 25, 2001, 18:45

Hey Archy!

Did you get that diploma from one of the south-of-the-boarder WECSOG affiliates???

TNT ARmoury · January 27, 2001, 18:51

Dude! I'll take one! Customized with my real name and business name. $10-15 for the diploma would be cool for me.

------------------
TNT ARmoury
http://tntarmoury.homestead.com/TNT1.html

DJ · January 28, 2001, 09:42

ROFLMAO!!!

tool · January 29, 2001, 11:23

Welcome to Wylie Coyote Junior College, located in the panhandle of Oklahoma. Tuition is cheap, but you may need a pell grant to pay for the parking sticker.

When I was a freshman in college (a real one), my professor used to tell the poor kids who failed a test, "Son, good luck next semester in vo-tech."

The sad thing is, I graduated and I can't find a decent job. But those guys who went to technical school and got a skill and, well, they're doing pretty good now compared to me.

**W.E.G.** · January 30, 2001, 22:01

Get your WECSOG diploma online now at http://www.clark.net/pub/warwick1/WECSOG.pdf

Willard · May 30, 2001, 13:53

Just a reminder, Spring classes are graduating NOW!

LOL

Cybercop · May 30, 2001, 16:35

Quote:

Originally posted by gary.jeter:

You have my unqualified (now there's an appropriate word) authorization to employ your most keen creative genius headlong toward the objective. At WECSOG we encourage our students to think "outside the box."

While were at it I think we should discuss some of the "Intangible" benifits of having the coveted WECSOG diploma.

1. Great rates on life and health insurance, let's face it at this point your uninsurable. You save lots of bucks that way!

2. You have the benifit of knowing the after hours phone numbers of every moto tool dealer within 100 miles of your home. You might even get to know the managers on a personal level. Of course after calling at 3:00 Am it's bound to get very personal!

3. You can hold yourself out to the community as a benifactor of your local hospital, after all it's not everyone who has their own gurney, and ambulance, and waiting room chair, and phone. Those who aspire to the zenith of this certification can even recieve their mail there!

Aifwikir · May 30, 2001, 19:58

Gary-J

Your idea for a logo is good with one exception. With Wilie in that pose I keep picturing him with HCI printed on his T-Shirt. For god's sake man,,,,give him a DREMEL!!

Aif

Steel Rat · June 04, 2001, 13:41

Beep Beep!!

[ June 04, 2001: Message edited by: Steel Rat ]

ricochet · June 04, 2001, 21:48

Damn Gary,
How do you come up with such interesting and imformative stuff for us DYI folks? As I have shot a lot, and spent a lot of time in a real gunsmith shop, your stuff is so real to life for the masses (excluding Rosie's bunch). I spent many Sundays watching that dangeg coyote, and after a few years (maybe more), I now see the light- I am not alone. I enjoy your stuff, maybe being a lawyer is not so bad (altho my family lawyers cannot understand fun/puns), what a waste. Thanks guy, it is their loss.

ricochet · June 04, 2001, 21:51

Damn Gary,
How do you come up with such interesting and imformative stuff for us DYI folks? As I have shot a lot, and spent a lot of time in a real gunsmith shop, your stuff is so real to life for the masses (excluding Rosie's bunch). I spent many Sundays watching that dangeg coyote, and after a few years (maybe more), I now see the light- I am not alone. I enjoy your stuff, maybe being a lawyer is not so bad (altho my family lawyers cannot understand fun/puns), what a waste. Thanks guy, it is their loss.

**W.E.G.** · June 04, 2001, 22:47

Hey Steel Rat!

The way you modified the WEC pic is great! I gotta get me that on a coffee mug.

Steel Rat · June 04, 2001, 23:36

Do I feel a group purchase coming on?

I'm glad you like the graphic. Thanks!

Aifwikir · June 05, 2001, 04:55

Group buy on coffee cups!
I'll take 2, please!

(sound familiar)

hehehe

Aif

**W.E.G.** · June 05, 2001, 09:04

Prospective coffee-mug buyers please see http://www.l1a1.com/cgi-bin/forums/u...c&f=3&t=002071

**W.E.G.** · August 25, 2001, 09:34

See http://www.l1a1.com/cgi-bin/forums/u...c&f=1&t=012480 for the latest on this.

Offctr · August 25, 2001, 09:42

Hey gary in accordance with the rules and in honor of all the valliant Wescog efforts out there how about a special run of hesse's or other reciever with the "acme" logo or "wescog"
I shouldnt type this early in the morning ...
happy saturday --off to the range to try the 50 yd offhand target thingy !!

**W.E.G.** · August 25, 2001, 10:07

Williams will put WECSOG on an aluminum receiver.

Ask me how I know.

**bykerhd** · August 25, 2001, 12:21

Doesn't ACME make Dremels ?
I think I saw it stamped on there somewhere.

How major do the injuries incurred while attempting to build a FAL have to be to be considered for WECSOG membership ?

tunashark · August 25, 2001, 22:16

I could use my PCDI certificate in gunsmithing as backing when I frame the WECSOG certificate. That's about all it's good for. The texture's too rough for the other possible use.

Loren Belflowers · August 26, 2001, 07:50

bykerhd, you would need proof of an ambulance ride to the hospital,hospital bills or pictures of blood on a hammer,vise or dremel tool. This will also help, a picture of what you fouled up(gets a better class ranking). It may hurt but, it`s worth in the long run!

runningiron · August 26, 2001, 14:08

Whose signature is required on the WECSOG diploma.

zoom · August 26, 2001, 16:57

bykerhd, when you asked how many injuries to qualify, did you mean just to ourselves? Or, can we include broken tools, vises, and holes in the walls or friends? I own more broken tools than I do complete tools, and my G1 from Tapco hasn't even arrived.

Seriously, be careful working on guns. My wife spent two nights in the hospital this month, because she was trying to help me with a Kel Tec P32. I was trying to pound the pins out to remove the frame from the grip, because the hammer block spring had broken. After I left for work, she tried to help by attempting to pull one out with a pair of needle nose pliers. The pliers slipped off of the pin and ended-up going up one nostril of her nose. She pierced her sinus cavity, and hasn't felt well since. She got an infection that has spread to her sinusoidal (sp?) sinus cavity. I don't know much about sinus problems (never had them), but the doctor seems concerned. She's currently on some serious antibiotics, and is having debilitating headaches. Careful with those tools!

1006587 · August 26, 2001, 17:16

Zoom,
I would like to formally nominate your wife for a Doctorate in WECSOC for life time achievment.

zoom · August 26, 2001, 18:32

Thanks 1006587. I just can't tell her about it, because she'd kill me if she knew I was going around telling people about it.

She is very embarrassed about the incident.

Of course, she thinks I pulled a more stupid stunt after it happened. The ER doctor called the police and told them it looked like a case of DV. When I got to the hospital, there was already an officer there waiting on me. She asked me a lot of personal(!! like how many times per week I have sex with my wife and/or with others!) questions. I didn't say a single word to her, and I simply tried to ignore her yelling. If my boss hadn't been with me (he drove, because he was afraid I'd hurt myself trying to get there too quickly) hadn't been there to tell the officer I had been at work for the previous 12 hours, I might have spent the night in jail. That officer seriously wanted to arrest me. She had her handcuff's out of their pouch before I even got to see my wife. I would have ended-up having to turn-in all of my guns if I had been charged. My wife thinks I did something more stupid than she did. She might be right. Playing with the law is more dangerous than playing with a Dremel tool. Wile E. Coyote School of Lawyerin' is only for the brave.

**bykerhd** · August 26, 2001, 18:43

I have scars here and there from my misadventures.
Come to think of it my tools and other stuff have scars too. Must be catching.
Anybody ever lean over to see "what the heck" was holding that main spring in place just as it decided to launch ? That can be exciting.
Makes you think "DUMBGUY" all the way to the Emergency Room. Wife is NOT sympathetic. She talked about framing the bill.
Does this count towards my WECSOG degree ?

zoom · August 26, 2001, 19:47

I wonder if a rule something like, "all medical costs related to gun smithing injuries may be applied to tuition at the WESCOG school" would be a good idea. If so, I have a feeling some people here would have their tuition, a meal plan, and books paid for.

pariah · August 27, 2001, 23:20

ZOOM, now that story about the cop really pisses me off! here you are haulin' behind to get to your woman's side, worried about her and you get crap from a cop before you can even see her. They probably would have arrested me for telling her to get the F out of my way. I would at least report her to IA. I'm not LEO prejudiced, half my family works for the sheriff's dept., which is why I'm prejudice against a-holes with badges.

zoom · August 28, 2001, 01:08

Sorry to get so far offtopic...

pariah, I didn't tell the entire story. The young woman was under the impression that it is a felony for her as a LEO to not fully investigate the DV accusation. It is in some states, like California, but it is not here. She had been lied to about the state law in her classes. I had a life-long friend who works at the SCDPS (department of police services, I don't exactly know what all the do) explain the law to her later. She also apologized for losing her temper. Of course, I didn't help matters by not even acknowledging her presence at the time. She didn't know how to handle the situation. Apparently, she was only trained how to handle hysterical people.

Simply keeping my mouth shut to control a situation is an evil trick I learned from my DI.

In the end, I was more upset at the doctor. My wife says that before the doctor started working on her, she asked a bunch of questions about what happened then she left to go call the police. She delayed treatment to ask questions and call the police. The doctor also asked the officer to make me stay in the waiting room, and warned that I might become violent with her and suggested she call for backup. I'm 73 (as of today!), and my wife is (well, I'm not allowed to say but it's close to my age). Why would a doctor tell a cop that they would need help controlling a 73 year-old man? I also still can't figure-out why the doctor would assume a pair of needle nose pliers up someone's nose would be spousal abuse. To put in simply, I'm a little upset with the doctor. The officer did what she thought was her job, and has since been educated. The doctor was being a busy-body and caused harm.

I come-off many times as anti-LEO. Over the Internet, many people sound anti-LEO who are simply, like you, (to use your words) anti-a-holes w/ badges. There is a big difference. I haven't met many officers who were pro-2nd amendment, so I have a hard time being pro-LEO, but I'm trying.

stand watie · August 29, 2001, 09:53

dear ZOOM,
most line police officers are PRO-2nd!
it's the damn politicians who are ANTIs;about the time they make CPT, they tend to get a PC- lobotomy and become damnfools.
politicians as a group don't need the operation,as their heads are already in a place where it is always DARK.
for dixie liberty,sw

January 23, 2001, 15:31	#1
W.E.G. Administrator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1211 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 31,056	rules for the Wile E. Coyote School of Gunsmithin' - WECSOG (with proper acknowledgment to TOOL as the origin of the school's name) Rule 1. The Road Runner cannot harm the Coyote except by going "Beep-Beep! (or WTF!)" Rule 2. No outside force can harm the Coyote - only his own ineptitude or the failure of Acme products. Rule 3. The Coyote could stop anytime - if he were not a fanatic. ("A fanatic is one who redoubles his effort when he has forgotten his aim." - George Santayana) Rule 4. No dialogue ever, except "Beep-Beep! (or WTF)" Rule 5. The Road Runner must stay on the road (or the FAL board). (i.e. the name Road Runner) Rule 6. All action must be confined to the southwest american desert. (natural environment of the two characters...or the FAL board and the basement of Jeter's shack) Rule 7. All materials, tools, weapons, or mechanical conviniences must be obtained from the Acme Corporation. Rule 8. Whenever possible, make gravity the Coyote's greatest enemy. Rule 9. The Coyote is always more humiliated than harmed by his failures. Rule 10. The audience's sympathy must remain with the Coyote. [ August 25, 2001: Message edited by: gary.jeter ] __________________ . . . Ask me about the Mason-Dixon FAL Collectors Association.

January 23, 2001, 16:24	#2
fubar Registered FALaholic #: 1994 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Crestwood, Ky. Posts: 371	Acme....Hesse....Acme....Hesse...Hmmmmmmmmm. __________________ I don't have a license to kill, but I do have a learner's permit.

January 23, 2001, 22:59	#3
stimpsonjcat Windoze free since 1-2010 Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 470 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Dawsonville, GA Posts: 4,206	11. Devices which don't work when activated should be jumped up and down on or pushed against...whichever is more likely to cause personal (Coyote) injury. 12. Explosives are proximity based...i.e. they only work near the instigator. 13. Everything falls faster than an anvil (I can't believe you forgot this one). 14. The only reason ole Wile E. never got anything to work was because he didn't have a DREMEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! peace! __________________ peace! Happiness=UPS+ORMD "Your 8mm FAL is like a deuce coup with a Ferrari pancake 12 under the hood and a Jaguar rear end. It just kinda transcends cool into fantasy."- USMC 0341 "The stimpgewehr is the reason Waldo is hiding."- Kotengu Cause I can still hear his voice when I put it to my shoulder, "A guns like a woman son, it's all how you hold her."

January 23, 2001, 23:06	#4
W.E.G. Administrator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1211 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 31,056	I'm thinking about a school logo. Maybe Wile E. wielding a 2 lb. hammer against the front sight of a FAL. One hand on the flash suppressor, one hand raised high, wielding the hammer. Rifle laid across a LARGE ACME anvil. Both feet in the air. Evil grimace on face. Roadrunner in the backround with incredulous expression and thought ballon that reads...you guessed it...WTF!!! __________________ . . . Ask me about the Mason-Dixon FAL Collectors Association.

January 24, 2001, 08:17	#6
Enquiring Minds Registered FALaholic #: 209 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: "The Venice of America"... FLL... Posts: 4,156	Your only competitor will be the "Angry Beaver School of Hack-smithing", also coined (IIRC) by someone in the desert SW. __________________ "We live in a gangster state, and our days of laughing at other countries are over." --Matt Taibbi, Rolling Stone

January 25, 2001, 17:41	#7
Bubba Registered FALaholic #: 88 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: The Hills of TX Posts: 331	I can help wit the logo if you need it. Bubba. __________________ Praise the FAL, Bubba.

January 25, 2001, 18:16	#8
archy Registered FALaholic #: 533 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: 82701 Posts: 2,315	Beep Beep! __________________ Says James: "In my opinion, there's nothing in this world Beats a '52 Vincent and a red headed girl. Now Nortons and Indians and Greeves just won't do, Ah, they don't have a soul like a Vincent '52" -Richard John Thompson 1952 Vincent Black Lightning

January 25, 2001, 18:45	#11
W.E.G. Administrator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1211 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 31,056	Hey Archy! Did you get that diploma from one of the south-of-the-boarder WECSOG affiliates??? __________________ . . . Ask me about the Mason-Dixon FAL Collectors Association.

January 27, 2001, 18:51	#12
TNT ARmoury Registered FALaholic #: 1421 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 104	Dude! I'll take one! Customized with my real name and business name. $10-15 for the diploma would be cool for me. ------------------ TNT ARmoury http://tntarmoury.homestead.com/TNT1.html __________________ TNT ARmoury http://tntarmoury.homestead.com/TNT1.html

January 28, 2001, 09:42	#13
DJ Registered FALaholic #: 126 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Brookville Pa Posts: 2,129	ROFLMAO!!! __________________ *Proud Air Force dad* I'm a "barbarian" and I VOTE! "He might have gone on livin' but he made one fatal slip, he tried to match the Ranger with the Big Iron on his hip." Marty Robbins, "Big Iron"

January 29, 2001, 11:23	#14
tool Registered FALaholic #: 416 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: ok Posts: 183	Welcome to Wylie Coyote Junior College, located in the panhandle of Oklahoma. Tuition is cheap, but you may need a pell grant to pay for the parking sticker. When I was a freshman in college (a real one), my professor used to tell the poor kids who failed a test, "Son, good luck next semester in vo-tech." The sad thing is, I graduated and I can't find a decent job. But those guys who went to technical school and got a skill and, well, they're doing pretty good now compared to me. __________________ You guys cannot fight in here, this is the War Room!"

January 30, 2001, 22:01	#15
W.E.G. Administrator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1211 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 31,056	Get your WECSOG diploma online now at http://www.clark.net/pub/warwick1/WECSOG.pdf __________________ . . . Ask me about the Mason-Dixon FAL Collectors Association.

May 30, 2001, 13:53	#16
Willard Registered FALaholic #: 113 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: RI Posts: 722	Just a reminder, Spring classes are graduating NOW! LOL __________________ Look at the low Falaholic number and the low number of posts....where have I gone wrong????

May 30, 2001, 19:58	#18
Aifwikir Registered FALaholic #: 2187 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Magazine, Arkansas Posts: 3,061	Gary-J Your idea for a logo is good with one exception. With Wilie in that pose I keep picturing him with HCI printed on his T-Shirt. For god's sake man,,,,give him a DREMEL!! Aif __________________ Cosmo the Lene,,, Smeller of old grease! http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m...ber3575new.jpg

June 04, 2001, 13:41	#19
Steel Rat Registered FALaholic #: 1716 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 11	Beep Beep!! [ June 04, 2001: Message edited by: Steel Rat ]

June 04, 2001, 21:48	#20
ricochet Registered FALaholic #: 1684 Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: next door to my neighbors, in Texas of the the USA Posts: 1,426	Damn Gary, How do you come up with such interesting and imformative stuff for us DYI folks? As I have shot a lot, and spent a lot of time in a real gunsmith shop, your stuff is so real to life for the masses (excluding Rosie's bunch). I spent many Sundays watching that dangeg coyote, and after a few years (maybe more), I now see the light- I am not alone. I enjoy your stuff, maybe being a lawyer is not so bad (altho my family lawyers cannot understand fun/puns), what a waste. Thanks guy, it is their loss. __________________ It is what it is... ... NRA Endowment Lifetime Member-

June 04, 2001, 21:51	#21
ricochet Registered FALaholic #: 1684 Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: next door to my neighbors, in Texas of the the USA Posts: 1,426	Damn Gary, How do you come up with such interesting and imformative stuff for us DYI folks? As I have shot a lot, and spent a lot of time in a real gunsmith shop, your stuff is so real to life for the masses (excluding Rosie's bunch). I spent many Sundays watching that dangeg coyote, and after a few years (maybe more), I now see the light- I am not alone. I enjoy your stuff, maybe being a lawyer is not so bad (altho my family lawyers cannot understand fun/puns), what a waste. Thanks guy, it is their loss. __________________ It is what it is... ... NRA Endowment Lifetime Member-

June 04, 2001, 22:47	#22
W.E.G. Administrator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1211 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 31,056	Hey Steel Rat! The way you modified the WEC pic is great! I gotta get me that on a coffee mug. __________________ . . . Ask me about the Mason-Dixon FAL Collectors Association.

June 04, 2001, 23:36	#23
Steel Rat Registered FALaholic #: 1716 Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 11	Do I feel a group purchase coming on? I'm glad you like the graphic. Thanks!

June 05, 2001, 04:55	#24
Aifwikir Registered FALaholic #: 2187 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Magazine, Arkansas Posts: 3,061	Group buy on coffee cups! I'll take 2, please! (sound familiar) hehehe Aif __________________ Cosmo the Lene,,, Smeller of old grease! http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m...ber3575new.jpg

June 05, 2001, 09:04	#25
W.E.G. Administrator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1211 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 31,056	Prospective coffee-mug buyers please see http://www.l1a1.com/cgi-bin/forums/u...c&f=3&t=002071 __________________ . . . Ask me about the Mason-Dixon FAL Collectors Association.

August 25, 2001, 09:34	#26
W.E.G. Administrator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1211 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 31,056	See http://www.l1a1.com/cgi-bin/forums/u...c&f=1&t=012480 for the latest on this. __________________ . . . Ask me about the Mason-Dixon FAL Collectors Association.

August 25, 2001, 09:42	#27
Offctr Registered FALaholic #: 3326 Join Date: May 2001 Location: PA Posts: 1,228	Hey gary in accordance with the rules and in honor of all the valliant Wescog efforts out there how about a special run of hesse's or other reciever with the "acme" logo or "wescog" I shouldnt type this early in the morning ... happy saturday --off to the range to try the 50 yd offhand target thingy !! __________________ The 2nd Ammendment -The Original "Homeland Security" Act !

August 25, 2001, 10:07	#28
W.E.G. Administrator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1211 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 31,056	Williams will put WECSOG on an aluminum receiver. Ask me how I know. __________________ . . . Ask me about the Mason-Dixon FAL Collectors Association.

August 25, 2001, 12:21	#29
bykerhd Dinosaur Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 2798 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Burlington Vermont area Posts: 13,262	Doesn't ACME make Dremels ? I think I saw it stamped on there somewhere. How major do the injuries incurred while attempting to build a FAL have to be to be considered for WECSOG membership ?

August 25, 2001, 22:16	#30
tunashark Registered FALaholic #: 624 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Greenland or Florida, depending on the month Posts: 603	I could use my PCDI certificate in gunsmithing as backing when I frame the WECSOG certificate. That's about all it's good for. The texture's too rough for the other possible use. __________________ "Well, in the first place an armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. ... But gunfighting has a strong biological use. We do not have enough things that kill off the weak and the stupid these days. But to stay alive as an armed citizen a man has to be either quick with his wits or with his hands, preferably both. It's a good thing." Robert Heinlein, Beyond This Horizon, 1948 WTB: anything from Hawes Firearms Co. http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member1115.png

August 26, 2001, 07:50	#31
Loren Belflowers Registered FALaholic #: 3247 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Fayetteville,N.C. Posts: 140	bykerhd, you would need proof of an ambulance ride to the hospital,hospital bills or pictures of blood on a hammer,vise or dremel tool. This will also help, a picture of what you fouled up(gets a better class ranking). It may hurt but, it`s worth in the long run!

August 26, 2001, 14:08	#32
runningiron Registered FALaholic #: 3986 Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Galveston, TX Posts: 218	Whose signature is required on the WECSOG diploma. __________________ Murphy was an optimist

August 26, 2001, 16:57	#33
zoom Registered FALaholic #: 3402 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: SC, US Posts: 177	bykerhd, when you asked how many injuries to qualify, did you mean just to ourselves? Or, can we include broken tools, vises, and holes in the walls or friends? I own more broken tools than I do complete tools, and my G1 from Tapco hasn't even arrived. Seriously, be careful working on guns. My wife spent two nights in the hospital this month, because she was trying to help me with a Kel Tec P32. I was trying to pound the pins out to remove the frame from the grip, because the hammer block spring had broken. After I left for work, she tried to help by attempting to pull one out with a pair of needle nose pliers. The pliers slipped off of the pin and ended-up going up one nostril of her nose. She pierced her sinus cavity, and hasn't felt well since. She got an infection that has spread to her sinusoidal (sp?) sinus cavity. I don't know much about sinus problems (never had them), but the doctor seems concerned. She's currently on some serious antibiotics, and is having debilitating headaches. Careful with those tools!

August 26, 2001, 17:16	#34
1006587 Registered FALaholic #: 2853 Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,981	Zoom, I would like to formally nominate your wife for a Doctorate in WECSOC for life time achievment. __________________ Any excuse will serve a tyrant. Aesop (~550 BC)

August 26, 2001, 18:32	#35
zoom Registered FALaholic #: 3402 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: SC, US Posts: 177	Thanks 1006587. I just can't tell her about it, because she'd kill me if she knew I was going around telling people about it. She is very embarrassed about the incident. Of course, she thinks I pulled a more stupid stunt after it happened. The ER doctor called the police and told them it looked like a case of DV. When I got to the hospital, there was already an officer there waiting on me. She asked me a lot of personal(!! like how many times per week I have sex with my wife and/or with others!) questions. I didn't say a single word to her, and I simply tried to ignore her yelling. If my boss hadn't been with me (he drove, because he was afraid I'd hurt myself trying to get there too quickly) hadn't been there to tell the officer I had been at work for the previous 12 hours, I might have spent the night in jail. That officer seriously wanted to arrest me. She had her handcuff's out of their pouch before I even got to see my wife. I would have ended-up having to turn-in all of my guns if I had been charged. My wife thinks I did something more stupid than she did. She might be right. Playing with the law is more dangerous than playing with a Dremel tool. Wile E. Coyote School of Lawyerin' is only for the brave.

August 26, 2001, 18:43	#36
bykerhd Dinosaur Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 2798 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Burlington Vermont area Posts: 13,262	I have scars here and there from my misadventures. Come to think of it my tools and other stuff have scars too. Must be catching. Anybody ever lean over to see "what the heck" was holding that main spring in place just as it decided to launch ? That can be exciting. Makes you think "DUMBGUY" all the way to the Emergency Room. Wife is NOT sympathetic. She talked about framing the bill. Does this count towards my WECSOG degree ?

August 26, 2001, 19:47	#37
zoom Registered FALaholic #: 3402 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: SC, US Posts: 177	I wonder if a rule something like, "all medical costs related to gun smithing injuries may be applied to tuition at the WESCOG school" would be a good idea. If so, I have a feeling some people here would have their tuition, a meal plan, and books paid for.

August 27, 2001, 23:20	#38
pariah Registered FALaholic #: 2993 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Dallas TX USA Posts: 23	ZOOM, now that story about the cop really pisses me off! here you are haulin' behind to get to your woman's side, worried about her and you get crap from a cop before you can even see her. They probably would have arrested me for telling her to get the F out of my way. I would at least report her to IA. I'm not LEO prejudiced, half my family works for the sheriff's dept., which is why I'm prejudice against a-holes with badges. __________________ Never do anything in moderation!

August 28, 2001, 01:08	#39
zoom Registered FALaholic #: 3402 Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: SC, US Posts: 177	Sorry to get so far offtopic... pariah, I didn't tell the entire story. The young woman was under the impression that it is a felony for her as a LEO to not fully investigate the DV accusation. It is in some states, like California, but it is not here. She had been lied to about the state law in her classes. I had a life-long friend who works at the SCDPS (department of police services, I don't exactly know what all the do) explain the law to her later. She also apologized for losing her temper. Of course, I didn't help matters by not even acknowledging her presence at the time. She didn't know how to handle the situation. Apparently, she was only trained how to handle hysterical people. Simply keeping my mouth shut to control a situation is an evil trick I learned from my DI. In the end, I was more upset at the doctor. My wife says that before the doctor started working on her, she asked a bunch of questions about what happened then she left to go call the police. She delayed treatment to ask questions and call the police. The doctor also asked the officer to make me stay in the waiting room, and warned that I might become violent with her and suggested she call for backup. I'm 73 (as of today!), and my wife is (well, I'm not allowed to say but it's close to my age). Why would a doctor tell a cop that they would need help controlling a 73 year-old man? I also still can't figure-out why the doctor would assume a pair of needle nose pliers up someone's nose would be spousal abuse. To put in simply, I'm a little upset with the doctor. The officer did what she thought was her job, and has since been educated. The doctor was being a busy-body and caused harm. I come-off many times as anti-LEO. Over the Internet, many people sound anti-LEO who are simply, like you, (to use your words) anti-a-holes w/ badges. There is a big difference. I haven't met many officers who were pro-2nd amendment, so I have a hard time being pro-LEO, but I'm trying.