91-30 question.

Munster30 · August 06, 2006, 19:13

I have a Russian rearsenalled Tula Hex receiver 91/30 with a barrel whose bore is an extreme sewer pipe.
It's been out to the range on several occaisions and with several different brand of ammo and doesn't print any groups worth a tinkers damn, even at 50 yards let alone 100 yards-at 200 or 300 it would be a disaster.
Don't get any ideas that it's possibly the shooter 'cause at the same shooting sessions I had a Schmidt-Reuben that printed 3 shot groups with the holes touching, and a Persian Mauser that prints three shot groups with overlapping holes (depends on how much coffee has been consumed that morning).

Like I said, the bore is really nasty, no amount of copper solvent, kroil and JB Bore Paste can make it any better, believe me I've tried and it looks worse cleaned up than it did when it was greasy.
My question: are there any replacement barrels available anywhere for these?
I don't want to "sporterize" this rifel, just fix it so it prints decent groups.
Thanks.

16R40 · August 06, 2006, 20:49

you would be better off buying another M-N. they are cheap enough that to even considering buying just the barrel, and then going through all that work to replace the existing barrel, just doesn't make a lick of sense.

MTS · August 06, 2006, 21:15

Also, make sure the action screws are good and tight. If these are loose, shots will be all over the place. Tighten the front one, then the rear. You could experiment with some shims under the action, too. This might help if the problem is with the action/stock fit.

I've had good luck cleaning nasty barrels,but I'm not doubting your methods. I've had good luck with plugging the bore and filling with Hoppes for a few days. I've also immersed the muzzle in boiling, soapy water and scrubbing with a copper or stainless bore brush.

mj2evans · August 06, 2006, 22:19

I have several Mosins and one is as you describe. Its now spare parts.....sorry. Just buy another one.

Bentley8 · August 06, 2006, 23:57

Yeah I picked up a Tula Hex 91/30 from Classic Arms a while back. Same kind of barrel as you've described. I haven't bothered to shoot it yet, it's been so dang hot.

No point in trying to find a new barrel, they basically don't exist. I'm keeping mine in the collection as I don't see that many Tula Hex's out there, but not every gun I have has to be a shooter.

Munster30 · August 07, 2006, 10:37

Quote:

Originally posted by Bentley8
Yeah I picked up a Tula Hex 91/30 from Classic Arms a while back. Same kind of barrel as you've described. I haven't bothered to shoot it yet, it's been so dang hot.

No point in trying to find a new barrel, they basically don't exist. I'm keeping mine in the collection as I don't see that many Tula Hex's out there, but not every gun I have has to be a shooter.

Good point about not every gun having to be shooter.
I'll keep my eyes open for a shooter.
Thanks for the replies, I rather had a thought this was going to be the case...
Thanks.

Sgt_Gold · August 07, 2006, 10:57

Not only are barrels pretty much NLA, but it's next to impossible to remove the old one without a hydraulic grerase gun. The threads are very very course, and the amount of torque needed to secure the barrel is very high. The Finns rebarreled their MN's by drilling a hole in the receiver and pumping high pressure grease into the barrel threads. The resulting pressure helped unstick the threads and spin the barrel off. If it's a worn barrel at the crown you could always counterbore. IF it's the throat then you're out of luck.

richbug · August 07, 2006, 11:54

Quote:

Originally posted by Sgt_Gold
Not only are barrels pretty much NLA, but it's next to impossible to remove the old one without a hydraulic grerase gun. The threads are very very course, and the amount of torque needed to secure the barrel is very high. The Finns rebarreled their MN's by drilling a hole in the receiver and pumping high pressure grease into the barrel threads. The resulting pressure helped unstick the threads and spin the barrel off. If it's a worn barrel at the crown you could always counterbore. IF it's the throat then you're out of luck.

They don't come off that hard, I have unscrewed several, and none have taken more than 200-250 foot pounds or so.

August 06, 2006, 19:13	#1
Munster30 Registered FALaholic #: 3198 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Washington State Posts: 9,550	91-30 question. I have a Russian rearsenalled Tula Hex receiver 91/30 with a barrel whose bore is an extreme sewer pipe. It's been out to the range on several occaisions and with several different brand of ammo and doesn't print any groups worth a tinkers damn, even at 50 yards let alone 100 yards-at 200 or 300 it would be a disaster. Don't get any ideas that it's possibly the shooter 'cause at the same shooting sessions I had a Schmidt-Reuben that printed 3 shot groups with the holes touching, and a Persian Mauser that prints three shot groups with overlapping holes (depends on how much coffee has been consumed that morning). Like I said, the bore is really nasty, no amount of copper solvent, kroil and JB Bore Paste can make it any better, believe me I've tried and it looks worse cleaned up than it did when it was greasy. My question: are there any replacement barrels available anywhere for these? I don't want to "sporterize" this rifel, just fix it so it prints decent groups. Thanks. __________________ “When people see a strong horse and a weak horse, by nature, they will take the strong horse” Osama bin Laden It has been the fault of both pacifism and liberalism in the past that they have ignored the immense burden of inherited evil under which society and civilization labour and have planned an imaginary world for an impossible humanity. We must recognize that we are living in an imperfect world in which human and superhuman forces of evil are at work and so long as those forces affect the political behaviour of mankind there can be no hope of abiding peace.

August 06, 2006, 23:57	#5
Bentley8 Registered FALaholic #: 12839 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 911	Yeah I picked up a Tula Hex 91/30 from Classic Arms a while back. Same kind of barrel as you've described. I haven't bothered to shoot it yet, it's been so dang hot. No point in trying to find a new barrel, they basically don't exist. I'm keeping mine in the collection as I don't see that many Tula Hex's out there, but not every gun I have has to be a shooter. __________________ My furry son has a webpage: Zorro's dogster page

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August 06, 2006, 20:49	#2
16R40 Banned TROLL FALaholic #: 8227 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,754	you would be better off buying another M-N. they are cheap enough that to even considering buying just the barrel, and then going through all that work to replace the existing barrel, just doesn't make a lick of sense.

August 06, 2006, 21:15	#3
MTS Registered FALaholic #: 17411 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 966	Also, make sure the action screws are good and tight. If these are loose, shots will be all over the place. Tighten the front one, then the rear. You could experiment with some shims under the action, too. This might help if the problem is with the action/stock fit. I've had good luck cleaning nasty barrels,but I'm not doubting your methods. I've had good luck with plugging the bore and filling with Hoppes for a few days. I've also immersed the muzzle in boiling, soapy water and scrubbing with a copper or stainless bore brush.

August 06, 2006, 22:19	#4
mj2evans Registered FALaholic #: 11922 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,084	I have several Mosins and one is as you describe. Its now spare parts.....sorry. Just buy another one.

August 07, 2006, 10:57	#7
Sgt_Gold Registered FALaholic #: 6672 Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Behind enemy lines Posts: 2,175	Not only are barrels pretty much NLA, but it's next to impossible to remove the old one without a hydraulic grerase gun. The threads are very very course, and the amount of torque needed to secure the barrel is very high. The Finns rebarreled their MN's by drilling a hole in the receiver and pumping high pressure grease into the barrel threads. The resulting pressure helped unstick the threads and spin the barrel off. If it's a worn barrel at the crown you could always counterbore. IF it's the throat then you're out of luck.