Where does it say a folder must be welded?

sparky · January 21, 2002, 16:55

Where does it say a folder must be welded? Unlike the threaded muzzle attachment that have letters on welding and pinning.

If I was to make a folder fixed without welding where in a letter or law does it say thats not alright?

I know alot of people think it has to be welded. Show me.

**EMDII** · January 21, 2002, 17:09

It doesn't. It just cannot be readily folded.

Several AR-types have non-collapsible stocks that can be adjusted. They use a bolt. The law says collapsible or telescoping. Many folks blind pin the knuckle.

[ January 21, 2002: Message edited by: EMDII ]

Harlan at FAC · January 21, 2002, 18:03

I would say the restriction on inclusion of a folding buttstock on a semi-auto rifle comes most from the 1994 Crime Act. In this federal law, there is a list of five features, of which only one can be included on a semi-auto rifle that can take a detachable magazine. The five features are: telescoping or collapsible buttstock, pistol grip, flash hider or threaded barrel for such, bayonet lug, or grenade launcher. If the rifle did not include any of the four other features, then I think a folding buttstock would be okay. Generally, users will choose a pistol grip on the rifle, which prevents the inclusion of the other four features.

**EMDII** · January 21, 2002, 18:37

Harlan is correct: the 1994 AW ban is where the requirement for 'fixed' stocks originates. You can have only one other evil feature on a semiautomatic rifle which has a removable magazine. Two makes it a semiautomatic assault weapon.

sparky · January 21, 2002, 18:46

Thanks guys what I needed to know was if the stock could be fixed without welding.

chuck1 · January 21, 2002, 19:14

One option might ( due to never knowing what the ATF regulations are)be to install a small washer like spacer under the stock to prevent it from having enough clearance to fold and slide the pivoit pin back in. Kind of like what buttler creek does with thier non floding mini 14 stocks. It's not readily foldable with out punching a roll pin out but it is not a permant mod.

Slugger · January 24, 2002, 09:26

These laws make me laugh. If I was the atf, I would want my enemy to use folding stocks, full auto and all the other do dads.

The laws are always backwards lies. Like the whole concept of these laws having an effect on crime. The only effect is that it turns us into the criminals.

I know, I know . . . I'm preachin' to the choir.

**gunplumber** · January 24, 2002, 12:28

I agree with Chucl. I replace the spring with a turned aluminum sleeve so the stock won't fold, but no permanent damage to it. For the E German sidefolding ak, I just drill a hole and insert a roll pin to keep the button from being depressed. There is no codified method of deactivating the feature. It simply bans "folding or collapsing stocks" As I read it, the stock either folds / collapses or it does not. If you need to get out a hammer, pliers and a punch, then you could remove the stock entirely.

[ January 24, 2002: Message edited by: gunplumber ]

sparky · January 24, 2002, 18:31

Thanks guys. I replaced the spring in my AK side folder with a rod cut to length. It will not fold without getting the tools out.

Some on one of the AK boards and other places think it has to be welded. I do not think so.

January 21, 2002, 16:55	#1
sparky Registered FALaholic #: 2542 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Oklahoma USA Posts: 1,626	Where does it say a folder must be welded? Where does it say a folder must be welded? Unlike the threaded muzzle attachment that have letters on welding and pinning. If I was to make a folder fixed without welding where in a letter or law does it say thats not alright? I know alot of people think it has to be welded. Show me.

January 21, 2002, 17:09	#2
EMDII Evil Moderator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 6 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Kennesaw, GA Posts: 13,971	It doesn't. It just cannot be readily folded. Several AR-types have non-collapsible stocks that can be adjusted. They use a bolt. The law says collapsible or telescoping. Many folks blind pin the knuckle. [ January 21, 2002: Message edited by: EMDII ] __________________ "The Spartans do not enquire how many enemy there are. The SPartans merely enquire WHERE they are." E.M. (Ted) Dannemiller II 1*

January 21, 2002, 18:37	#4
EMDII Evil Moderator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 6 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Kennesaw, GA Posts: 13,971	Harlan is correct: the 1994 AW ban is where the requirement for 'fixed' stocks originates. You can have only one other evil feature on a semiautomatic rifle which has a removable magazine. Two makes it a semiautomatic assault weapon. __________________ "The Spartans do not enquire how many enemy there are. The SPartans merely enquire WHERE they are." E.M. (Ted) Dannemiller II 1*

January 24, 2002, 09:26	#7
Slugger Registered FALaholic #: 1482 Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: US Posts: 530	These laws make me laugh. If I was the atf, I would want my enemy to use folding stocks, full auto and all the other do dads. The laws are always backwards lies. Like the whole concept of these laws having an effect on crime. The only effect is that it turns us into the criminals. I know, I know . . . I'm preachin' to the choir. __________________ I won't dial 911 . . . I dial 220. Infidel Inside

January 24, 2002, 12:28	#8
gunplumber Arrogant Bastard Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 96 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Surprise, AZ Posts: 15,746	I agree with Chucl. I replace the spring with a turned aluminum sleeve so the stock won't fold, but no permanent damage to it. For the E German sidefolding ak, I just drill a hole and insert a roll pin to keep the button from being depressed. There is no codified method of deactivating the feature. It simply bans "folding or collapsing stocks" As I read it, the stock either folds / collapses or it does not. If you need to get out a hammer, pliers and a punch, then you could remove the stock entirely. [ January 24, 2002: Message edited by: gunplumber ] __________________ T. Mark Graham Master Gunsmith Arizona Response Systems, LLC

January 21, 2002, 18:03	#3
Harlan at FAC Registered FALaholic #: 548 Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 875	I would say the restriction on inclusion of a folding buttstock on a semi-auto rifle comes most from the 1994 Crime Act. In this federal law, there is a list of five features, of which only one can be included on a semi-auto rifle that can take a detachable magazine. The five features are: telescoping or collapsible buttstock, pistol grip, flash hider or threaded barrel for such, bayonet lug, or grenade launcher. If the rifle did not include any of the four other features, then I think a folding buttstock would be okay. Generally, users will choose a pistol grip on the rifle, which prevents the inclusion of the other four features.

January 21, 2002, 18:46	#5
sparky Registered FALaholic #: 2542 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Oklahoma USA Posts: 1,626	Thanks guys what I needed to know was if the stock could be fixed without welding.

January 21, 2002, 19:14	#6
chuck1 Registered FALaholic #: 303 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: AZ/kali Posts: 290	One option might ( due to never knowing what the ATF regulations are)be to install a small washer like spacer under the stock to prevent it from having enough clearance to fold and slide the pivoit pin back in. Kind of like what buttler creek does with thier non floding mini 14 stocks. It's not readily foldable with out punching a roll pin out but it is not a permant mod.

January 24, 2002, 18:31	#9
sparky Registered FALaholic #: 2542 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Oklahoma USA Posts: 1,626	Thanks guys. I replaced the spring in my AK side folder with a rod cut to length. It will not fold without getting the tools out. Some on one of the AK boards and other places think it has to be welded. I do not think so.

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