I.D. HELP ON THIS MUZZLE DEVICE

**308/223shooter** · March 01, 2006, 22:18

Could someone please ID this muzzle device for me? It's on a recent FAL I just bought, and I don't like it. I want one of Moses' hurricane flash hiders.

**W.E.G.** · March 01, 2006, 22:27

Is that a set-screw?

**308/223shooter** · March 01, 2006, 22:38

Yes, it has a set screw on the top and bottom. It also looks like it was pressed on. I can't see any threads. I want to replace it, but i also don't want to destroy it in the removal process.

**W.E.G.** · March 01, 2006, 22:48

Uhhhh...you don't want to destroy the POS thing now on the end of the barrel?

I'm not sure I understand why.

Set-screw muzzle devices were a bad idea from the git-go.
I wouldn't use one even for a paper weight.

Anyhow, I'd loosen the set screws, and see if it just slides off.
If its still stuck after you loosen the screws, put a MAPP torch on it for a few minutes and see if you can unscrew it, or twist it loose.

BTW, if you heat it with a MAPP torch, it will still be hot even after the reddish color subsides. AMHIK.

**308/223shooter** · March 01, 2006, 23:41

W.E.G. I wasn't aware it was a POS. That's why I asked for help in ID'ing it.I don't own a torch, so if it's just junk, couldn't I use a pipe wrench instead? If it worked, would that get me into the WECSOG club?

1811GNR · March 02, 2006, 08:26

Is the muzzle right at the end of the device? If so it might be an Argy CD that was reamed to convert to a slip on.

**308/223shooter** · March 02, 2006, 21:29

1811GNR. Nope,the muzzle only protrudes about 1/8 inch into the device. Then the device opens up into a small chamber.At the business end it closes back down to near bore diameter.What I don't like is the vents on the top are pionting away from the muzzle,thus adding to felt recoil.Besides,Moses hiders look awsome.

Rich@CGW · March 03, 2006, 00:51

Looks like a possible early Hesse Brake.

rq375 · March 03, 2006, 06:24

Looks like the one that came on my early Hesse. When you get it off check the crown, mine had been cut with a chop saw but not crowned and it was crooked.

mhg · March 03, 2006, 14:50

Is the rifle an Olympic arms?

They did some brakes that looked like that, no set screw tho

Matt

**308/223shooter** · March 03, 2006, 20:47

The reciever is an Imbel gear logo, imported and built by Pacific Arms. I'm not sure of the kit origin tho', I'm more into Isreali and Soviet arms. Anyway, I'm removing it tomorrow at work. I'll post the results of what I find regarding the muzzle crown.

chuck1 · March 03, 2006, 21:15

Quote:

Originally posted by rq375
Looks like the one that came on my early Hesse. When you get it off check the crown, mine had been cut with a chop saw but not crowned and it was crooked.

You too huh? Mine was cut off with a chop saw and has a really nice angle on it. I am sure that contributed to the crappy accuracy. That and the fact that I felt like i was punched in the jaw after every shot. As soon as I replaced the barrel it solved both problems.

March 01, 2006, 22:48	#4
W.E.G. Administrator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1211 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 31,052	Uhhhh...you don't want to destroy the POS thing now on the end of the barrel? I'm not sure I understand why. Set-screw muzzle devices were a bad idea from the git-go. I wouldn't use one even for a paper weight. Anyhow, I'd loosen the set screws, and see if it just slides off. If its still stuck after you loosen the screws, put a MAPP torch on it for a few minutes and see if you can unscrew it, or twist it loose. BTW, if you heat it with a MAPP torch, it will still be hot even after the reddish color subsides. AMHIK. __________________ . . . Ask me about the Mason-Dixon FAL Collectors Association.

March 02, 2006, 08:26	#6
1811GNR Registered FALaholic #: 11900 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: WA, USA Posts: 1,046	Is the muzzle right at the end of the device? If so it might be an Argy CD that was reamed to convert to a slip on. __________________ "I only wish I had a gun rather than a camera" - Sebastian D'Souza, the photographer who took the picture of the terrorist at the Chatrapathi Sivaji Terminal railway station, Mumbai, India, 26 November 2008

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March 01, 2006, 22:38	#3
308/223shooter Airborne Combat Engineer Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 15405 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: pacific northwest Posts: 2,281	Yes, it has a set screw on the top and bottom. It also looks like it was pressed on. I can't see any threads. I want to replace it, but i also don't want to destroy it in the removal process.

March 01, 2006, 23:41	#5
308/223shooter Airborne Combat Engineer Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 15405 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: pacific northwest Posts: 2,281	W.E.G. I wasn't aware it was a POS. That's why I asked for help in ID'ing it.I don't own a torch, so if it's just junk, couldn't I use a pipe wrench instead? If it worked, would that get me into the WECSOG club?

March 02, 2006, 21:29	#7
308/223shooter Airborne Combat Engineer Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 15405 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: pacific northwest Posts: 2,281	1811GNR. Nope,the muzzle only protrudes about 1/8 inch into the device. Then the device opens up into a small chamber.At the business end it closes back down to near bore diameter.What I don't like is the vents on the top are pionting away from the muzzle,thus adding to felt recoil.Besides,Moses hiders look awsome.

March 03, 2006, 00:51	#8
Rich@CGW Registered FALaholic #: 167 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Gardnerville , NV. Near Lake Tahoe Posts: 1,826	Looks like a possible early Hesse Brake.

March 03, 2006, 06:24	#9
rq375 Registered FALaholic #: 17756 Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 303	Looks like the one that came on my early Hesse. When you get it off check the crown, mine had been cut with a chop saw but not crowned and it was crooked.

March 03, 2006, 14:50	#10
mhg Registered FALaholic #: 7772 Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 2,082	Is the rifle an Olympic arms? They did some brakes that looked like that, no set screw tho Matt

March 03, 2006, 20:47	#11
308/223shooter Airborne Combat Engineer Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 15405 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: pacific northwest Posts: 2,281	The reciever is an Imbel gear logo, imported and built by Pacific Arms. I'm not sure of the kit origin tho', I'm more into Isreali and Soviet arms. Anyway, I'm removing it tomorrow at work. I'll post the results of what I find regarding the muzzle crown.