Source for English instructions for Israel SUIT sight

Da Nerd · November 21, 2005, 13:19

Does anyone know of a source for ENGLISH instructions for the use, care etc of an Israel S.U.I.T. ?
I would hate to start turning knobs and dials with out knowing what I am doing.
TIA

owlcreekok · November 21, 2005, 15:20

I dunno jack about them. I got a set of instructions for a Trilux unit. Sez L2A2 on it. "Adopted for the British Army".

Far a$$ cry from what you are asking I guess. If it would help, I will be happy to fax, copy and mail, whatever.

Windustsearch · November 21, 2005, 15:22

Same basic critter.

Da Nerd · November 21, 2005, 15:46

owlcreekok
you got mail.

owlcreekok · November 21, 2005, 15:51

I would check my mail but I am an obedient bastid. Your sig line instructs me to ignore your posts.

Da Nerd · November 21, 2005, 16:01

mail tag, your IT

Da Nerd · November 21, 2005, 16:11

It appears that TAPCO has a manual on their web site..I am awaiting for their reply...

owlcreekok · November 21, 2005, 16:14

Quote:

mail tag, your IT

You grunts never learn not to play tag with airwingers. Owls DO fly ya know !

You're gonna have a BBE in a few days.

Da Nerd · November 21, 2005, 18:19

fastfreddy · November 21, 2005, 21:18

Long ago, a guy named "Mr Pogo" posted a manual or a link to a manual on the FALfiles. Maybe a search is in order. The only diff between the izzy unit and the brit unit is the hebrew label and the bullet compensator cam.

brownknees · November 22, 2005, 16:39

I have an english manual which I'll be glad to photocopy & send to you. PM me if interested.
The only real differences I can find is the attachment spring & "Hook" under the SUIT (The Izzy has an extra one) & the locking screw on the release cam.
The Izzys are zeroed in Meters not feet, but a bit of calculating will fix that.
There is a thread on the files where I got a translation of the hebrew charecters on the data panel. I think it was under "hebrew translation help"
I got a great translation, and some interesting variations.
Vertical adjustment is done by releasing the lock screw (the one on the right side at the front) about 1 1/2 turns. Then the top screw marked "E"<>"D" is turned to raise or lower the POI (Elevate & Depress)
Once zeroed retighten the lock screw.
Left<>right is by turning the windage screw (just in front of the range cam) anti-clockwise for Left, Clockwise for Right. There is no locking screw for this.
The cam is set for 250Meter in the rear position, and 500Meter in the front position. Each painted index mark is about 4" of movement @ 100 meter.
I'm sighted in 4"high & 1" Right @ 100 yds. That gives me a good 300 Yd zero with MilSurp ammo.
One thing to be aware of with the SUIT is that as it is offset to the left there is a small amount of horizontal traversing as the range is changed.
Hope this helps

Da Nerd · November 22, 2005, 17:19

What a wonderful wealth of information members on this site have.
THANKS.
I have a photo copy enroute already,,,,thanks again.
TAPCO said they are putting the instructions on PDF format and will email them at some point..
More fun than ....fill in the blank...

fastfreddy · November 22, 2005, 22:13

Because of the offset objective lens, you have to zero the SUIT so the POI is 1" to the right of the POA. The Brits had a special sighting in target that took this into account. The procedure was to sight in at 25 yds, which happens to coincide with BSZ which, I may remember wrong, is 250 yds. The manual will cover it. The important thing is that if you set up POI to coincide with POA ,in the usual manner, at 25 yds then the windage will be way off at 250 yds. That would put your windage off by 4 MOA for an error of 10" at 250 yds.

brownknees · November 23, 2005, 08:28

Just to clear up some confusion!
Re-reading my post earlier I goofed. The POI should read 4" high & 1" right at 25 yds, and 4" high & 1" right at 100yds.
There are 2 ways to sight a SUIT. One for 25 Yds, the other for 100 Yds.
The manual says to use the 100 Yd sight in if possible, but the 25 Yd zering method will work if no longer range is available. I know it looks confusing, but BOTH sets of zeroing instructions here are correct, but ONLY at the zeroing range they apply to!
If you sketch it out on paper it makes sense. The lens is offset to the left. That means that the POI will be to the right at close range, & to the left at longer ranges as the bullet path closes on, meets, then passes to the other side of the FOV as the range increases. What you are doing is to decide the point at which the two paths (one optical & the other trajectory) cross.
Personally Ilike to sight in as far out as possible, that way the maximum "offset" is the difference in the sight optical center (1" left) & the bullet path.
You've been doing this for years, when you sighted in with a conventional 'scope, but vertically. That is the bullet path starts out low, climbs to the intersection, passes thru it, goes higher, and then drops back as the range increases. Obviously there is no "Dropping back" with windage, but the same idea applys.
You can make a special zeroing target by sticking a small colored paster 4" high & 1" to the left of the bullseye. Aim by putting the tip of the pointer on the second bullseye, & adjust the sight to make the POI on the origonal bullseye, when the pointer tip is still on the new bullseye. It sounds complicated when describing it, but it's real easy when doing it.
This would be a 100 Yd. sighting in target. It's kind of bore sighting with a bullet, if that makes any sense!
If you're not utterly confused by now then I've failed miserably!

Da Nerd · November 23, 2005, 09:59

You are a profound success...

Thanks again..

fastfreddy · November 23, 2005, 21:05

The scope should absolutely be parallel to the bore. There should be no lateral crossover. If it's 1" to the right at 25 yds then it should be 1" to the right at 100 yds, 300 yds, 500 yds and 437 yds.

edited to get left/right consistent. Apparantly This whole conversation did confuse me. POI should be 1" to the right of POA at any distance.

brownknees · November 24, 2005, 11:13

The technique I'm describing does just that. Sets the optical axis parallell to the bore. If the optical path is 1" left of the bore horizontal axis then you maintain this offset by allowing the 1" POV to POI at a given distance. The longer the distance where you set this up, the more precise it is.
See! I told you if you weren't totally confused by now then I've goofed.

November 21, 2005, 13:19	#1
Da Nerd Registered FALaholic #: 10960 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,022	Source for English instructions for Israel SUIT sight Does anyone know of a source for ENGLISH instructions for the use, care etc of an Israel S.U.I.T. ? I would hate to start turning knobs and dials with out knowing what I am doing. TIA __________________ BigBob :fal: "April 10th 2006 will go down in history as the day the USA gave up with out a fight."

November 21, 2005, 15:20	#2
owlcreekok Registered FALaholic #: 15323 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tejas Posts: 9,331	I dunno jack about them. I got a set of instructions for a Trilux unit. Sez L2A2 on it. "Adopted for the British Army". Far a$$ cry from what you are asking I guess. If it would help, I will be happy to fax, copy and mail, whatever. __________________ "It is necessary for the welfare of the nation that men's lives be based on the principles of the Bible. No man, educated or uneducated, can afford to be ignorant of the Bible." - Theodore Roosevelt - (1858-1919) 26th President of the United States FOUNDER- Free ggiilliiee Foundation hehe

November 21, 2005, 15:46	#4
Da Nerd Registered FALaholic #: 10960 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,022	owlcreekok you got mail. __________________ BigBob :fal: "April 10th 2006 will go down in history as the day the USA gave up with out a fight."

November 21, 2005, 15:51	#5
owlcreekok Registered FALaholic #: 15323 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tejas Posts: 9,331	I would check my mail but I am an obedient bastid. Your sig line instructs me to ignore your posts. __________________ "It is necessary for the welfare of the nation that men's lives be based on the principles of the Bible. No man, educated or uneducated, can afford to be ignorant of the Bible." - Theodore Roosevelt - (1858-1919) 26th President of the United States FOUNDER- Free ggiilliiee Foundation hehe

November 21, 2005, 16:01	#6
Da Nerd Registered FALaholic #: 10960 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,022	mail tag, your IT __________________ BigBob :fal: "April 10th 2006 will go down in history as the day the USA gave up with out a fight."

November 21, 2005, 15:22	#3
Windustsearch Registered FALaholic #: 10219 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Seattle,Wa Posts: 5,696	Same basic critter.

November 21, 2005, 16:11	#7
Da Nerd Registered FALaholic #: 10960 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,022	It appears that TAPCO has a manual on their web site..I am awaiting for their reply... __________________ BigBob :fal: "April 10th 2006 will go down in history as the day the USA gave up with out a fight."

November 21, 2005, 18:19	#9
Da Nerd Registered FALaholic #: 10960 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,022	__________________ BigBob :fal: "April 10th 2006 will go down in history as the day the USA gave up with out a fight."

November 21, 2005, 21:18	#10
fastfreddy Registered FALaholic #: 7303 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,185	Long ago, a guy named "Mr Pogo" posted a manual or a link to a manual on the FALfiles. Maybe a search is in order. The only diff between the izzy unit and the brit unit is the hebrew label and the bullet compensator cam. __________________ As you heed the call to battle, let your witness be as steel.

November 22, 2005, 16:39	#11
brownknees Registered FALaholic #: 14917 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: mid atlantic Posts: 12,015	SUIT manual & zeroing (edited) I have an english manual which I'll be glad to photocopy & send to you. PM me if interested. The only real differences I can find is the attachment spring & "Hook" under the SUIT (The Izzy has an extra one) & the locking screw on the release cam. The Izzys are zeroed in Meters not feet, but a bit of calculating will fix that. There is a thread on the files where I got a translation of the hebrew charecters on the data panel. I think it was under "hebrew translation help" I got a great translation, and some interesting variations. Vertical adjustment is done by releasing the lock screw (the one on the right side at the front) about 1 1/2 turns. Then the top screw marked "E"<>"D" is turned to raise or lower the POI (Elevate & Depress) Once zeroed retighten the lock screw. Left<>right is by turning the windage screw (just in front of the range cam) anti-clockwise for Left, Clockwise for Right. There is no locking screw for this. The cam is set for 250Meter in the rear position, and 500Meter in the front position. Each painted index mark is about 4" of movement @ 100 meter. I'm sighted in 4"high & 1" Right @ 100 yds. That gives me a good 300 Yd zero with MilSurp ammo. One thing to be aware of with the SUIT is that as it is offset to the left there is a small amount of horizontal traversing as the range is changed. Hope this helps Last edited by brownknees; November 23, 2005 at 08:30.

November 22, 2005, 17:19	#12
Da Nerd Registered FALaholic #: 10960 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,022	What a wonderful wealth of information members on this site have. THANKS. I have a photo copy enroute already,,,,thanks again. TAPCO said they are putting the instructions on PDF format and will email them at some point.. More fun than ....fill in the blank... __________________ BigBob :fal: "April 10th 2006 will go down in history as the day the USA gave up with out a fight."

November 22, 2005, 22:13	#13
fastfreddy Registered FALaholic #: 7303 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,185	Because of the offset objective lens, you have to zero the SUIT so the POI is 1" to the right of the POA. The Brits had a special sighting in target that took this into account. The procedure was to sight in at 25 yds, which happens to coincide with BSZ which, I may remember wrong, is 250 yds. The manual will cover it. The important thing is that if you set up POI to coincide with POA ,in the usual manner, at 25 yds then the windage will be way off at 250 yds. That would put your windage off by 4 MOA for an error of 10" at 250 yds. __________________ As you heed the call to battle, let your witness be as steel.

November 23, 2005, 08:28	#14
brownknees Registered FALaholic #: 14917 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: mid atlantic Posts: 12,015	Suit zeroing Just to clear up some confusion! Re-reading my post earlier I goofed. The POI should read 4" high & 1" right at 25 yds, and 4" high & 1" right at 100yds. There are 2 ways to sight a SUIT. One for 25 Yds, the other for 100 Yds. The manual says to use the 100 Yd sight in if possible, but the 25 Yd zering method will work if no longer range is available. I know it looks confusing, but BOTH sets of zeroing instructions here are correct, but ONLY at the zeroing range they apply to! If you sketch it out on paper it makes sense. The lens is offset to the left. That means that the POI will be to the right at close range, & to the left at longer ranges as the bullet path closes on, meets, then passes to the other side of the FOV as the range increases. What you are doing is to decide the point at which the two paths (one optical & the other trajectory) cross. Personally Ilike to sight in as far out as possible, that way the maximum "offset" is the difference in the sight optical center (1" left) & the bullet path. You've been doing this for years, when you sighted in with a conventional 'scope, but vertically. That is the bullet path starts out low, climbs to the intersection, passes thru it, goes higher, and then drops back as the range increases. Obviously there is no "Dropping back" with windage, but the same idea applys. You can make a special zeroing target by sticking a small colored paster 4" high & 1" to the left of the bullseye. Aim by putting the tip of the pointer on the second bullseye, & adjust the sight to make the POI on the origonal bullseye, when the pointer tip is still on the new bullseye. It sounds complicated when describing it, but it's real easy when doing it. This would be a 100 Yd. sighting in target. It's kind of bore sighting with a bullet, if that makes any sense! If you're not utterly confused by now then I've failed miserably!

November 23, 2005, 09:59	#15
Da Nerd Registered FALaholic #: 10960 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,022	You are a profound success... Thanks again.. __________________ BigBob :fal: "April 10th 2006 will go down in history as the day the USA gave up with out a fight."

November 23, 2005, 21:05	#16
fastfreddy Registered FALaholic #: 7303 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,185	The scope should absolutely be parallel to the bore. There should be no lateral crossover. If it's 1" to the right at 25 yds then it should be 1" to the right at 100 yds, 300 yds, 500 yds and 437 yds. edited to get left/right consistent. Apparantly This whole conversation did confuse me. POI should be 1" to the right of POA at any distance. __________________ As you heed the call to battle, let your witness be as steel. Last edited by fastfreddy; November 24, 2005 at 13:41.

November 24, 2005, 11:13	#17
brownknees Registered FALaholic #: 14917 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: mid atlantic Posts: 12,015	scope offsets The technique I'm describing does just that. Sets the optical axis parallell to the bore. If the optical path is 1" left of the bore horizontal axis then you maintain this offset by allowing the 1" POV to POI at a given distance. The longer the distance where you set this up, the more precise it is. See! I told you if you weren't totally confused by now then I've goofed.

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