$90 well spent

Temp · October 09, 2005, 16:14

Went to a gunshow yesterday. A vendor there was selling TAPCO FAL scope mounts for about $50. Me and my buddy both bought one so he sold us 2 out the door for $40 each.

I was going to mount a Leopold 2X7 that I currently have on a Savage model 99, but I needed some rings. The low rings that I had on the Leopold didn't provide enough clearance for the FAL mount. I went to a local sporting goods store to get the rings,.. (Weaver), and found them for $20. They also had some matte finish Simmons 4X32 scopes for $30, so I bought one of them also.

After looking over the bargain basement Simmons scope, I decided that I really liked the looks of it, so I left the Leopold on my Savage 99 and hooked the Simmons up to the FAL.

Total outlay for mount, scope, and rings,.. 90 bucks.

It's not the latest super zoot tactical rig, but I think it classes up the old girl quite a bit and it'll do quite nicely for punching holes in paper at the range.

Temp · October 09, 2005, 16:29

Just thought I'd add,... some people grumble and grunt about TAPCO on here, but lemme tell yas,.. these TAPCO scope mounts are da chit!

VERY nicely machined and they hook up solid as a rock.

gunseller · October 09, 2005, 17:38

I agree about Tapco and their mount. I have two, one is a stripper clip mount. The price is right and the quality is good. Nice set up. I have a 2-7x32 Leopold on a L1A1 using a Tapco mount.
Gunseller

masman · October 09, 2005, 19:45

very nice i have one for my fal and has worked well

Snakeshot · October 09, 2005, 20:09

I like the setup... and the minimal bucks spent.

I'm a big fan of low end 4X fixed scopes. There's a lot of really good stuff out there for not too much money. Well done!

**W.E.G.** · October 09, 2005, 20:19

Great deal!

Now, one nit-picky thing.

The scope is Leupold - not "Leopold."

Correct pronuciation is Loo-pold (NOT Lee-oh-pold).

Temp · October 09, 2005, 20:30

Quote:

Originally posted by gary.jeter
Great deal!

Now, one nit-picky thing.

The scope is Leupold - not "Leopold."

Correct pronuciation is Loo-pold (NOT Lee-oh-pold).

OK,... OK,... *gee*,..

At least I know how to spell and pronounce "S-I-M-M-O-N-S".

Temp · October 10, 2005, 12:12

Quote:

Originally posted by Snakeshot

I'm a big fan of low end 4X fixed scopes. There's a lot of really good stuff out there for not too much money.

I'm with you. I used to overlook the lower priced scopes, then one day I found a Bushnell 4X32 in a box of junk at a local gun shop. It was like new and they wanted $10 dollars for it.

I thought, "what the hell?" and brought it home. I've since mounted it on my CZ 452 and it does as good of a job as any. It caused me to start thinking about scopes in general.

During WW1 the British had to steal scope technology from the Germans because they didn't posess the technology to produce their own.

They would have bent over backwards to aquire one of the low end scopes that we can buy for pocket change today.

If I thought that I was going to have to protect hearth and home with a scope, I'd probably go with the high end models, but Simmons, Bushnell, and others produce a very fine product for the money. They're plenty good for playing around at the range with,.... probably plenty good for anything that you'll ever need them for, actually.

perdurabo · October 10, 2005, 13:10

Am I the only one who thinks standard deer rifle tube scopes on battle rifles is tasteless and ugly as all hell? I'm not a fan of optics in general on military style rifles (though I admit to having an EOtech and a Trijicon Reflex on a couple assault/CQB style rifles) and I can see something like a low power military style ACOG, SUIT or ELCAN on a rifle like a FAL, depending on how its being used... but a deer rifle tube scope is just plain Bubbafied trailer park ugly to me on anything but a bolt action rifle.

I place scoping a FAL/M1A/G3 with a deer rifle tube scope in the same category of rifle butchering as putting cheap folding zytel stocks, chinese red dot top cover mounted sights and crappy duckbill mags on SKSs. Besides being impractical, its just plain ugly. IMNSHO, If youve got a military rifle, you ought to use military style optics (though having said that, I have seen plenty of M14s with tube optics being fielded by the modern military... which honestly also makes me cringe).

Muggzy · October 10, 2005, 13:21

Quote:

Originally posted by perdurabo
Am I the only one who thinks......

No sir......your not the only one

Pistolwiz · October 10, 2005, 13:25

The 4th generation TAPCO mounts are the best I've seen. Very solid. One piece. Integral rails and only $50.00 to boot! I have a hard time keeping them in stock! They also have a lifetime replacement guarantee. Got them on all of my FAL's with scopes.

Temp · October 10, 2005, 13:28

Quote:

Originally posted by perdurabo
Am I the only one who thinks standard deer rifle tube scopes on battle rifles is tasteless and ugly as all hell? I'm not a fan of optics in general on military style rifles (though I admit to having an EOtech and a Trijicon Reflex on a couple assault/CQB style rifles) and I can see something like a low power military style ACOG, SUIT or ELCAN on a rifle like a FAL, depending on how its being used... but a deer rifle tube scope is just plain Bubbafied trailer park ugly to me on anything but a bolt action rifle.

I place scoping a FAL/M1A/G3 with a deer rifle tube scope in the same category of rifle butchering as putting cheap folding zytel stocks, chinese red dot top cover mounted sights and crappy duckbill mags on SKSs. Besides being impractical, its just plain ugly. IMNSHO, If youve got a military rifle, you ought to use military style optics (though having said that, I have seen plenty of M14s with tube optics being fielded by the modern military... which honestly also makes me cringe).

I bet you wear cammy's to gun shows too,... doncha?

A scope is a tool,... something which allows one to get a better idea of the accuracy of a build.

I'm not a SHTF enthusiast who sits around polishing my FAL's while fantasizing about charging into a line of commie goblins with my battle rifle ablaze.

I spent 90 bucks on a system to test my rifle with.

Sorry if it doesn't fit in with your Walter Mitty visualizations..

ce · October 10, 2005, 14:16

I think perdurabo is a sensible man in an insensate world.

You just don't understand him, because you're insensitive.

Just check out Pannini's rifle with the Accudangle Fore-Grip DORK (Dangerous Old Redneck Knob) hangin' off it with the Railjob pail holder on it for you boys that like to chew.

Use the damn sights they give ya with the gun, if ya can't see, don't shoot.

Temp · October 10, 2005, 14:19

Quote:

Originally posted by ce

Use the damn sights they give ya with the gun, if ya can't see, don't shoot.

Better think before ya make that statement,... especially if you accompany me to the range.

ce · October 10, 2005, 14:27

Shoot, I can't see, that's why it's such a delight to hit the target!

Anyway, I gotta get off my ass tomorrow, fer sure, and order 4 of those Chinese AR scopes from Natchez Shooter's fer $25 apiece for my last CAR builds.

I got one somwhere hangin' off something, and I remember I like it just fine.

I might move a scope onto an FAL with a Tapsco mount, I'm still reveling in the challenge of 300 yard gongshots with iron sights, especially if the AR boys can't hit it with their Technotubes and all .

Muggzy · October 10, 2005, 14:56

Geez temp!! you seem.....Ill tempered today

I can hit the bullseye at 300 yards with my eyes closed in a 45 mph crosswind pullin the trigger with a bugger'd trigger finger and fight'n with
a mountain lion with the other hand. Don't need no scope...man

**Hebrew Battle Rifle** · October 10, 2005, 15:05

It looks like perdurabo had to pay sales tax today and now he is in a foul mood.

perdurabo · October 10, 2005, 15:09

Quote:

Originally posted by Hebrew Battle Rifle
It looks like perdurabo had to pay sales tax today and now he is in a foul mood.

Not only that I didn't get Columbus Day off! I'm gonna cheer myself up by putting a fresh lining of tinfoil in my collander helmet.

doktor_ecchs · October 10, 2005, 17:17

Quote:

Originally posted by Temp
I'm not a SHTF enthusiast who sits around polishing my FAL's while fantasizing about charging into a line of commie goblins with my battle rifle ablaze.

Me either! I don't have enough ammo for that. I intend to ambush them Godless commie bastards and then fade away into the woods, just like they (the commies) used to pull in Viet Nam.

I sold my Tapco Gen 4, not because it wasn't a quality rig (it was) but because I didn't want optics on my battle rifle. For one thing I wear bi-focals and trying to get a good sight picture with a scope is about impossible for me. I can't even use red-dot sights for the same reason.I just think my FAL looks better with stock topcover and iron sights, and I shoot as well or better than with optics. Temp, if your setup suits/works for you that is what counts! BTW, what is wrong with wearing camo to gun shows? I wear them just about everywhere else!

as ever,
Dr. X

Draven · October 11, 2005, 03:15

Tapco has their stripper clip mounts for $19.99

**BUFF** · October 11, 2005, 12:22

One thing I like best about the inch FALs is that I can fold down the rear iron sight blade, remove the top cover, slide in my ARMS or Williams top cover mounts w/scope in place, or my SUIT, and test ammo, pot shoot at longish ranges, all that stuff, then slap the original, bare top cover back on, flip the blade back up, and I'm good-to-go without re-zero the irons. Those mounts don't mar the finish of my upper, either, like 'clamp-down' mounts (DSA, TAPCO, etc.) do.

I have always felt that most shooters put too much magnification on their rifles for the rifles' abilities and purposes. Last time I went deer hunting, one of the folks in the party had his Marlin .30-30 set up with a Leupold 4X12 or something, for example. Big game hunting rarely requires more than 6X, as something the size of a deer at 300-350 yards (the max at which someone ought to be shooting a game animal; yeah, I know, I know, and most "300 yard/500 yard/600 yard" shots I have measured with a decent optical rangefinder were actually a whole lot less, usually half what the shooter claimed). Shooting people is probably about the same, although I have no experience in shooting people with rifles, scoped or otherwise.

High magnification increases the "wobbles" you see while sighting, decreases (narrows) the field of view and encourages shots beyond the shooter's and cartridge's abilities, at times.

A good, solid fixed power scope of about 4X-6X on a big game rifle for general purposes is all that one usually needs.

Varmints and little targets, really long range targets, ammo testing or other tasks often will make use of extra magnification, but even with my higher end variable scopes (3X9, 4X12, 6X18 etc.) I usually find myself having them cranked down to their low range, anyway.

Temp, that is a lot of usefulness for $90.

Windustsearch · October 11, 2005, 13:26

For easy changing of open sights to the SUIT and back I just removed the rear sight stop pin. I slide the aperture of and put the SUIT top cover on.

Temp · October 11, 2005, 13:31

Quote:

Originally posted by Windustsearch
For easy changing of open sights to the SUIT and back I just removed the rear sight stop pin. I slide the aperture of and put the SUIT top cover on.

I've since reinstalled the rear sight ramp on my rifle just because the slot looked so empty just sitting there,... but the retaining pin which secures the aperture has a head and must be removed from the bottom.

It's no big deal, but the entire unit must be removed in order to remove the pin.

On reflection, however, I think that I'll not use the pin whenever I remove the scope and use the open sights.

The aperture really isn't going anywhere,... and eliminating the pin would allow one to slide it on and off the ramp without removing the ramp from the lower.

Temp · October 11, 2005, 13:42

Oh,.... now I see,... that's what you were saying,....

nevermind,....

moonbat60 · October 11, 2005, 14:20

Hey guys !

I think that Temp got things right with his setup for that price. On my previous SLR I had a Tapco scope cover too, and I liked it a lot.

As a scope I used a Tasco ( stop complaining, mine works fine ! ) 3 - 9X40mm, that I bought at Wallys. The whole combination worked pretty well.

After selling my SLR because I wanted to have a ParaFAL , I kept the scope and the mags. My DSA Para has got a scope mount top cover again, and the Tasco sits in Leupold QR rings.

As an additional optic I added a Hakko Tacpoint 1 red dot scope with an ARMS mount 22M68 ( quick release , of course ) , and that whole combination runs like a champ.

Sure , I don't mean to go after a bunch of commies or al qaeda anytime soon, but the rifle and the scopes will do their job.

As to BUFF's comment : I do agree on NOT putting high magnification scopes on rifles used for standard purposes.

I've got a .308 bolt action rifle with a 6 - 24X50mm scope on, and around 16X and higher the whole thing gets pointless ( or " wobbly " ) . Each breath you take at 20X or over seems to be like a minor earthquake through the scope, and FOV is reduced drastically.

Sure , at 100 yds, I could read newspaper with it if I want to and crank it all the way up, and I do kinda admire those guys that shoot with those big Nightforce scopes, but I don't want to do that too very often.

My .02

Pete

Windustsearch · October 11, 2005, 14:29

Temp

On my gun the SUIT will not clear the aperture/blade. I removed the rear sight assembly and removed the pin. I then re-sighted the gun. So now I can just slide the aperture off of the ramp and pocket it while I use the SUIT. Slide it right back on when I want to go back to the sights.

**olgier** · October 11, 2005, 19:04

i'm with temp.

i just scoped my carbine for $100.00.

3x9x40 BSA on clearance $24.00
leatherwood mount $65.00
Leupold high rings $11.00

rings are just high enough to clear the rear site. 1/8 inch clearance, so no need to pull the sight.

i just might take it deer hunting.

for those that are "iron sight" diehards...... when you need to pick a shot through heavy cover, a scope comes in really handy. (the northern woods tend to be pretty damn thick, so it's either up close and personal, or you pick a hole and hope they walk by it.)

it comes down to personal preferance. i don't care what a rifle looks like, as long as it does what i want it too.

i can shoot fine with irons, but if i want to hit a tick on a deers ass, i'll take the scope.

Temp · October 13, 2005, 18:54

Took the scoped FAL out to the range today to get an idea of how it was going to shoot. Finally got it on paper after about 15 rounds and proceeded to dial it in.

Infuriating rifles, these FAL's. They show potential for greatness, then they sling a flyer to hell and gone.

I was shooting garden variety Port,... shot a 20 round mag at a target at 100 yards. About 15 of the rounds tore a ragged hole about 1.75" in diameter, but 5 rounds were off the wall.

Still,.... I think that this rifle is capable of above average accuracy. So many of the shots were clustered so close together,... but a few just didn't make the grade at all. I can't help but believe that the ammo had something to do with it. It's hard for me to believe that a rifle is capable of 1.75 MOA rifle 3/4ths of the time,... and shoots shit the other 1/4th.

I'm going to have to assemble some carefully constructed match loads and try again.

Had a good time at the range, however. I usually shoot at a little public range in a state park about 50 miles from here. Beautiful setting, with the mountains and all. In fact, a big ass mountain is the backstop. You can always count on a hodge podge of personalities to be there.

Today, there was a couple of old boys shooting their hand built flintlocks and 3 young college students from a hoity toity private college near here,.... one young man and two pretty little girls. The college students were shooting a ruger 10-22, an AK, an AR-15, a K-31, and various and sundry handguns.

It was apparent that the girls were new to shooting but they were real troopers. I was down on the end working with the FAL. I looked over after this little girl fired off a string through the AK and gave her a big smile. It was obvious that she was getting a real charge out of it. I say,.. "Fun, isn't it?" She flashed a big grin back at me and emphatically replied, "YEAH!"

A good day,.... in spite of the flyers,...

creator0203 · October 13, 2005, 19:58

i put a tapco get 4 and a bushnell 1x28 on mine and at 90 yards with a dot scope i was hitting 2". next time im putting my rifle scope on and see what happens.

Enquiring Minds · October 14, 2005, 04:00

What are the optics mount topcover options for the FAL-Para these days?

So Temp, you gotta drive 50 miles to blaze away? That totally ruins my sparsely populated postcard image of KY... lol. Good 'un on college boy using his firepower appeal to round up a threesome...

Temp · October 14, 2005, 09:42

Quote:

Originally posted by Enquiring Minds
What are the optics mount topcover options for the FAL-Para these days?

So Temp, you gotta drive 50 miles to blaze away? That totally ruins my sparsely populated postcard image of KY... lol. Good 'un on college boy using his firepower appeal to round up a threesome...

I'm an urban hillbilly these days.

I have a couple of closer places to shoot, but the mentioned range is in a very nice secluded setting and it has no pesky range officers to bother with.

David N. · October 14, 2005, 18:06

Quote:

Originally posted by Enquiring Minds
So Temp, you gotta drive 50 miles to blaze away? That totally ruins my sparsely populated postcard image of KY... lol.

In my part of KY most people still shoot in their back yard or somewhere on the farm. In fact, I hear someone, probably 1/4 to 1/2 mile away, shooting while I'm typing this.

Edit: Actually, it sounds like its probably at least two people.

October 09, 2005, 16:14	#1
Temp Registered FALaholic #: 10384 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: right of center Posts: 4,212	$90 well spent Went to a gunshow yesterday. A vendor there was selling TAPCO FAL scope mounts for about $50. Me and my buddy both bought one so he sold us 2 out the door for $40 each. I was going to mount a Leopold 2X7 that I currently have on a Savage model 99, but I needed some rings. The low rings that I had on the Leopold didn't provide enough clearance for the FAL mount. I went to a local sporting goods store to get the rings,.. (Weaver), and found them for $20. They also had some matte finish Simmons 4X32 scopes for $30, so I bought one of them also. After looking over the bargain basement Simmons scope, I decided that I really liked the looks of it, so I left the Leopold on my Savage 99 and hooked the Simmons up to the FAL. Total outlay for mount, scope, and rings,.. 90 bucks. It's not the latest super zoot tactical rig, but I think it classes up the old girl quite a bit and it'll do quite nicely for punching holes in paper at the range.

October 09, 2005, 19:45	#4
masman Registered FALaholic #: 781 Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 5,653	very nice i have one for my fal and has worked well __________________ somethings wrong with the world when the best rapper is white.the best golfer is black.the french think that the us is arrogant and the germans don't want to go to war

October 09, 2005, 20:09	#5
Snakeshot Registered FALaholic #: 909 Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Non Harry Reid Nevada Posts: 4,045	I like the setup... and the minimal bucks spent. I'm a big fan of low end 4X fixed scopes. There's a lot of really good stuff out there for not too much money. Well done! __________________ "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it." Frederic Bastiat

October 09, 2005, 20:19	#6
W.E.G. Administrator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1211 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 31,055	Great deal! Now, one nit-picky thing. The scope is Leupold - not "Leopold." Correct pronuciation is Loo-pold (NOT Lee-oh-pold). __________________ . . . Ask me about the Mason-Dixon FAL Collectors Association.

October 10, 2005, 13:10	#9
perdurabo Registered FALaholic #: 5099 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 1,193	Am I the only one who thinks standard deer rifle tube scopes on battle rifles is tasteless and ugly as all hell? I'm not a fan of optics in general on military style rifles (though I admit to having an EOtech and a Trijicon Reflex on a couple assault/CQB style rifles) and I can see something like a low power military style ACOG, SUIT or ELCAN on a rifle like a FAL, depending on how its being used... but a deer rifle tube scope is just plain Bubbafied trailer park ugly to me on anything but a bolt action rifle. I place scoping a FAL/M1A/G3 with a deer rifle tube scope in the same category of rifle butchering as putting cheap folding zytel stocks, chinese red dot top cover mounted sights and crappy duckbill mags on SKSs. Besides being impractical, its just plain ugly. IMNSHO, If youve got a military rifle, you ought to use military style optics (though having said that, I have seen plenty of M14s with tube optics being fielded by the modern military... which honestly also makes me cringe). __________________ Et in Arcadia Ego.

October 09, 2005, 16:29	#2
Temp Registered FALaholic #: 10384 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: right of center Posts: 4,212	Just thought I'd add,... some people grumble and grunt about TAPCO on here, but lemme tell yas,.. these TAPCO scope mounts are da chit! VERY nicely machined and they hook up solid as a rock.

October 09, 2005, 17:38	#3
gunseller Registered FALaholic #: 10120 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Midwest Posts: 1,458	I agree about Tapco and their mount. I have two, one is a stripper clip mount. The price is right and the quality is good. Nice set up. I have a 2-7x32 Leopold on a L1A1 using a Tapco mount. Gunseller

October 10, 2005, 13:25	#11
Pistolwiz Registered FALaholic #: 4378 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: WA Posts: 5,320	The 4th generation TAPCO mounts are the best I've seen. Very solid. One piece. Integral rails and only $50.00 to boot! I have a hard time keeping them in stock! They also have a lifetime replacement guarantee. Got them on all of my FAL's with scopes. __________________ "The constitution is not a bunch of suggestions. It's the law." "People will chew and swallow an entire sweet and delicious brick of lies. And enjoy it. Rather than taste one bitter grain of truth. No wonder they are hoodwinked so easily." "I don't run with lemmings...even well armed ones." "If we had as many misconceptions about the FN FAL as we do about the constitution. The body count from accidents would be much, much higher around here."

October 10, 2005, 14:16	#13
ce Registered FALaholic #: 373 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,905	I think perdurabo is a sensible man in an insensate world. You just don't understand him, because you're insensitive. Just check out Pannini's rifle with the Accudangle Fore-Grip DORK (Dangerous Old Redneck Knob) hangin' off it with the Railjob pail holder on it for you boys that like to chew. Use the damn sights they give ya with the gun, if ya can't see, don't shoot.

October 10, 2005, 14:27	#15
ce Registered FALaholic #: 373 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,905	Shoot, I can't see, that's why it's such a delight to hit the target! Anyway, I gotta get off my ass tomorrow, fer sure, and order 4 of those Chinese AR scopes from Natchez Shooter's fer $25 apiece for my last CAR builds. I got one somwhere hangin' off something, and I remember I like it just fine. I might move a scope onto an FAL with a Tapsco mount, I'm still reveling in the challenge of 300 yard gongshots with iron sights, especially if the AR boys can't hit it with their Technotubes and all .

October 10, 2005, 14:56	#16
Muggzy Registered FALaholic #: 4396 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,723	Geez temp!! you seem.....Ill tempered today I can hit the bullseye at 300 yards with my eyes closed in a 45 mph crosswind pullin the trigger with a bugger'd trigger finger and fight'n with a mountain lion with the other hand. Don't need no scope...man __________________ Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ablility to learn from the experience of other, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. Douglas Graham Life is drawing without an eraser Judge me all you want, just keep the verdict to yourself a positve attitude may not solve all your problems, but will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort ~ Herm

October 10, 2005, 15:05	#17
Hebrew Battle Rifle Horses Ass Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 5777 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Arkansas Posts: 6,812	It looks like perdurabo had to pay sales tax today and now he is in a foul mood. __________________ THANK YOU JESUS

October 11, 2005, 03:15	#20
Draven Registered FALaholic #: 18196 Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: PRK Posts: 94	Tapco has their stripper clip mounts for $19.99

October 11, 2005, 12:22	#21
BUFF Old Fart Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 789 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 7,139	One thing I like best about the inch FALs is that I can fold down the rear iron sight blade, remove the top cover, slide in my ARMS or Williams top cover mounts w/scope in place, or my SUIT, and test ammo, pot shoot at longish ranges, all that stuff, then slap the original, bare top cover back on, flip the blade back up, and I'm good-to-go without re-zero the irons. Those mounts don't mar the finish of my upper, either, like 'clamp-down' mounts (DSA, TAPCO, etc.) do. I have always felt that most shooters put too much magnification on their rifles for the rifles' abilities and purposes. Last time I went deer hunting, one of the folks in the party had his Marlin .30-30 set up with a Leupold 4X12 or something, for example. Big game hunting rarely requires more than 6X, as something the size of a deer at 300-350 yards (the max at which someone ought to be shooting a game animal; yeah, I know, I know, and most "300 yard/500 yard/600 yard" shots I have measured with a decent optical rangefinder were actually a whole lot less, usually half what the shooter claimed). Shooting people is probably about the same, although I have no experience in shooting people with rifles, scoped or otherwise. High magnification increases the "wobbles" you see while sighting, decreases (narrows) the field of view and encourages shots beyond the shooter's and cartridge's abilities, at times. A good, solid fixed power scope of about 4X-6X on a big game rifle for general purposes is all that one usually needs. Varmints and little targets, really long range targets, ammo testing or other tasks often will make use of extra magnification, but even with my higher end variable scopes (3X9, 4X12, 6X18 etc.) I usually find myself having them cranked down to their low range, anyway. Temp, that is a lot of usefulness for $90. __________________ BUFF

October 11, 2005, 13:26	#22
Windustsearch Registered FALaholic #: 10219 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Seattle,Wa Posts: 5,696	For easy changing of open sights to the SUIT and back I just removed the rear sight stop pin. I slide the aperture of and put the SUIT top cover on.

October 11, 2005, 13:42	#24
Temp Registered FALaholic #: 10384 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: right of center Posts: 4,212	Oh,.... now I see,... that's what you were saying,.... nevermind,....

October 11, 2005, 14:20	#25
moonbat60 Registered FALaholic #: 17000 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Midwest Posts: 2,233	Hey guys ! I think that Temp got things right with his setup for that price. On my previous SLR I had a Tapco scope cover too, and I liked it a lot. As a scope I used a Tasco ( stop complaining, mine works fine ! ) 3 - 9X40mm, that I bought at Wallys. The whole combination worked pretty well. After selling my SLR because I wanted to have a ParaFAL , I kept the scope and the mags. My DSA Para has got a scope mount top cover again, and the Tasco sits in Leupold QR rings. As an additional optic I added a Hakko Tacpoint 1 red dot scope with an ARMS mount 22M68 ( quick release , of course ) , and that whole combination runs like a champ. Sure , I don't mean to go after a bunch of commies or al qaeda anytime soon, but the rifle and the scopes will do their job. As to BUFF's comment : I do agree on NOT putting high magnification scopes on rifles used for standard purposes. I've got a .308 bolt action rifle with a 6 - 24X50mm scope on, and around 16X and higher the whole thing gets pointless ( or " wobbly " ) . Each breath you take at 20X or over seems to be like a minor earthquake through the scope, and FOV is reduced drastically. Sure , at 100 yds, I could read newspaper with it if I want to and crank it all the way up, and I do kinda admire those guys that shoot with those big Nightforce scopes, but I don't want to do that too very often. My .02 Pete

October 11, 2005, 14:29	#26
Windustsearch Registered FALaholic #: 10219 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Seattle,Wa Posts: 5,696	Temp On my gun the SUIT will not clear the aperture/blade. I removed the rear sight assembly and removed the pin. I then re-sighted the gun. So now I can just slide the aperture off of the ramp and pocket it while I use the SUIT. Slide it right back on when I want to go back to the sights.

October 11, 2005, 19:04	#27
olgier Curio & Relic Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 17951 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: maine Posts: 2,681	. i'm with temp. i just scoped my carbine for $100.00. 3x9x40 BSA on clearance $24.00 leatherwood mount $65.00 Leupold high rings $11.00 rings are just high enough to clear the rear site. 1/8 inch clearance, so no need to pull the sight. i just might take it deer hunting. for those that are "iron sight" diehards...... when you need to pick a shot through heavy cover, a scope comes in really handy. (the northern woods tend to be pretty damn thick, so it's either up close and personal, or you pick a hole and hope they walk by it.) it comes down to personal preferance. i don't care what a rifle looks like, as long as it does what i want it too. i can shoot fine with irons, but if i want to hit a tick on a deers ass, i'll take the scope.

October 13, 2005, 18:54	#28
Temp Registered FALaholic #: 10384 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: right of center Posts: 4,212	Took the scoped FAL out to the range today to get an idea of how it was going to shoot. Finally got it on paper after about 15 rounds and proceeded to dial it in. Infuriating rifles, these FAL's. They show potential for greatness, then they sling a flyer to hell and gone. I was shooting garden variety Port,... shot a 20 round mag at a target at 100 yards. About 15 of the rounds tore a ragged hole about 1.75" in diameter, but 5 rounds were off the wall. Still,.... I think that this rifle is capable of above average accuracy. So many of the shots were clustered so close together,... but a few just didn't make the grade at all. I can't help but believe that the ammo had something to do with it. It's hard for me to believe that a rifle is capable of 1.75 MOA rifle 3/4ths of the time,... and shoots shit the other 1/4th. I'm going to have to assemble some carefully constructed match loads and try again. Had a good time at the range, however. I usually shoot at a little public range in a state park about 50 miles from here. Beautiful setting, with the mountains and all. In fact, a big ass mountain is the backstop. You can always count on a hodge podge of personalities to be there. Today, there was a couple of old boys shooting their hand built flintlocks and 3 young college students from a hoity toity private college near here,.... one young man and two pretty little girls. The college students were shooting a ruger 10-22, an AK, an AR-15, a K-31, and various and sundry handguns. It was apparent that the girls were new to shooting but they were real troopers. I was down on the end working with the FAL. I looked over after this little girl fired off a string through the AK and gave her a big smile. It was obvious that she was getting a real charge out of it. I say,.. "Fun, isn't it?" She flashed a big grin back at me and emphatically replied, "YEAH!" A good day,.... in spite of the flyers,...

October 13, 2005, 19:58	#29
creator0203 Registered FALaholic #: 17864 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: idaho Posts: 904	i put a tapco get 4 and a bushnell 1x28 on mine and at 90 yards with a dot scope i was hitting 2". next time im putting my rifle scope on and see what happens. __________________ 5.45 Junkie Why wouldn't you hunt with an FAL? Home is where they understand you. - Garfield "I love my Beater AK" Rivet it and forget it Even my AR spits commie led

October 14, 2005, 04:00	#30
Enquiring Minds Registered FALaholic #: 209 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: "The Venice of America"... FLL... Posts: 4,150	What are the optics mount topcover options for the FAL-Para these days? So Temp, you gotta drive 50 miles to blaze away? That totally ruins my sparsely populated postcard image of KY... lol. Good 'un on college boy using his firepower appeal to round up a threesome...

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