I've changed my Bug out plans

paintballmagnet · September 14, 2005, 04:42

As the population grows, finding a suitable spot to avoid even short duration issues is fast becoming almost impossible. As I was fishing the other day the idea to use my boat for a Bug out vehicle occured to me. We have a 35,000 acre lake within 20 miles of my AO that has literally hundreds of islands in sizes from a half acre up to possibly 15 acres or more. One of these islands might well be the perfect location. Open field of view, ability to obtain food using simple drop lines, water in abundance, etc. Hiding my boat would not be too difficult, with the motor removed, two people could probably drag it out of the water and conceal it with brush. What do you think?

Muggzy · September 14, 2005, 07:03

Anything you do to put a barrier between you and them is better.

Rubber type blow up type rafts are handi to have stored too. They make them in all sizes. (one man, two man, 4-man) and they store in a tiny box.

I have a small river running behind my "shack in the woods" I can use to travel on if neccessary. I would feel like a sitting duck, though.

Good idea you have, there. I think.

izaakb · September 14, 2005, 07:56

check out inflatable life boats -- most have the ripcord CO2 inflation. you'd need a outboard mount tho..... good idea! plus you will have a water supply, except it could be contaminated --- dig a well?

Survey Punk · September 14, 2005, 08:14

Pamlico River in eastern NC.

If it was good enough for Blackbeard. it's good enough for me.

Aarrrgh

,
JB

762 shooter · September 14, 2005, 12:11

I would suggest trying to spend a three day weekend on one of those islands in January. That will tell you just how feasable it is. And attempt to feed yourself off of fish at the time. While you might be able to transport some much desired paraphenalia to the island, try to make do with the bare minimum to get an idea of what it would be like for a (?) couple month duration.

**J. Armstrong** · September 14, 2005, 16:48

Seems like a neat idea. Just remember, if you ARE spotted by the "bad guys" ( whatever type they may be) it's going to be hard to defend yourself unless you're a fair sized group there. You can't stay awake forever, nor can you cover every possible landing area even on a small island. Just a thought ( and not an original one at that

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**W.E.G.** · September 14, 2005, 17:00

Bug IN.

Stand fast.

well...unless its New Orleans, and the roof is underwater.

I'd rather expire in my house than on some godforsaken island on a lake.

brownknees · September 14, 2005, 18:26

I think you'll be highly visible in a boat on a lake, but if you can get round that (run at night without lights?) then it may be a good idea.

Remember the best place to hide a tree is in a forest! One car among a bunch is kind of inconspicuous. Unless its a bannana yellow Lamborghini!

Shape.
Shine.
Shilouette.
Shadow.
Sound.

Beat those 5 & you're home free.

**Thomas** · September 14, 2005, 19:04

Think about a gill net for your bug out bag. We had them in USAF survival kits.
Dad let us try them out as kids, cought a lot of bullheads. Weight is almost nothing.

MTS · September 14, 2005, 19:21

No fires, though. The smoke would be seen for miles.

PARA FN FAL · September 14, 2005, 19:31

If you do go to one of these islands find one with decent high ground and as little cover/concealment around the shore as possible. This will be your KILL ZONE of last resort. When you travel go at night .But other boats can have radar so sneaking by at night can be tricky in a boat with any size to it. Choose rifles that can use the high ground to your maximum effect and there is no cover on the water so don't let bad guys land on the island. Practice Bugging out to your island in diffrent seasons. You may find out that fog,bugs,snakes ect are an issue.

Treborer · September 15, 2005, 01:10

If your living in a place, that you think is not worth defending, move.

Are you there because the job is there? You'll take the money, but run when it gets tough? Stand and fight, protect your job and your nieghborhood.

Just a thought.

mosbysmen · September 18, 2005, 07:05

go there on a holiday weekend and see how many of the islands have people camping on them..
there is a place like that where my brother lives, he says if you dont get there early on friday morning all the good islands are taken.
start keeping notes on which islands are regullary camped on .
go to the other ones and look for a place to put a bucket cache in place on it.

Jez Cruzen · September 18, 2005, 16:23

The BOB thing sounds romantic, but I have my doubts as to it's practicality in a pending disaster situation other than assembling those personal items necessary if you have to move into a shelter.

An island? Unless the island is Tahiti, then no thanks partner! My home is the best prepared location. Not some BOB stuffed with minimal gear and having to trudge around hoping no one sees me.

You know whats a lot better than "bug out" plans and "bug out bags"? Friends! Establish yourself in your community and make lots of friends. Join a volunteer emergnecy response organization. Not only could they probably use the help, but it provides a cover for you in times of trouble. You are not viewed as some whacko or as a danger that must be delt with like you might be slinking around in the woods, or on some island in the middle of a man-made lake. You are viewed as an emergency response professional - a value to your community - and that in itself provides you and your family protection.

Please don't anyone take offense. But, come on....its easy to get drawn in to that Rambo - take no prisoners - self-destructive thinking. Survival means obtaining help, and having that help available means being a part of something, not out alone on the fringes. That only makes you a target!

mr fixit · September 18, 2005, 18:24

Well, one fact ot come out of New Orleans is that staying at home (on dry ground) and working together with armed neighbors WILL work. For you and the neighborhood. That is until "Da Goobermint" comes to help.

I have so many thoughts, points and questions...

I'll post them soon, after I can organize them in my mind.

**Cozmacozmy** · September 20, 2005, 23:42

Quote:

Originally posted by 762 shooter
I would suggest trying to spend a three day weekend on one of those islands in January. That will tell you just how feasable it is. And attempt to feed yourself off of fish at the time. While you might be able to transport some much desired paraphenalia to the island, try to make do with the bare minimum to get an idea of what it would be like for a (?) couple month duration.

Or in the heat of July/August when the horse flies and skeeters are swarming so bad as to carry you away.
Me, I think I'll stay at home.

September 14, 2005, 04:42	#1
paintballmagnet Registered FALaholic #: 1186 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: AR U.S.A. Posts: 374	I've changed my Bug out plans As the population grows, finding a suitable spot to avoid even short duration issues is fast becoming almost impossible. As I was fishing the other day the idea to use my boat for a Bug out vehicle occured to me. We have a 35,000 acre lake within 20 miles of my AO that has literally hundreds of islands in sizes from a half acre up to possibly 15 acres or more. One of these islands might well be the perfect location. Open field of view, ability to obtain food using simple drop lines, water in abundance, etc. Hiding my boat would not be too difficult, with the motor removed, two people could probably drag it out of the water and conceal it with brush. What do you think?

September 14, 2005, 07:03	#2
Muggzy Registered FALaholic #: 4396 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,723	Anything you do to put a barrier between you and them is better. Rubber type blow up type rafts are handi to have stored too. They make them in all sizes. (one man, two man, 4-man) and they store in a tiny box. I have a small river running behind my "shack in the woods" I can use to travel on if neccessary. I would feel like a sitting duck, though. Good idea you have, there. I think. __________________ Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ablility to learn from the experience of other, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so. Douglas Graham Life is drawing without an eraser Judge me all you want, just keep the verdict to yourself a positve attitude may not solve all your problems, but will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort ~ Herm

September 14, 2005, 07:56	#3
izaakb Registered FALaholic #: 14913 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, New York Posts: 1,504	check out inflatable life boats -- most have the ripcord CO2 inflation. you'd need a outboard mount tho..... good idea! plus you will have a water supply, except it could be contaminated --- dig a well? __________________ "Malo periculosam libertatem quam quietam servitutem." "Praemonitus pramunitus!" "A well-schooled electorate, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed." I am a Jewish carpenter.

September 14, 2005, 12:11	#5
762 shooter Registered FALaholic #: 13431 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Newcastle CA Posts: 1,436	I would suggest trying to spend a three day weekend on one of those islands in January. That will tell you just how feasable it is. And attempt to feed yourself off of fish at the time. While you might be able to transport some much desired paraphenalia to the island, try to make do with the bare minimum to get an idea of what it would be like for a (?) couple month duration. __________________ Pacifism is the abdication of life. Am fear nach gleidh na h-airm san t-sith, cha bhi iad aige 'n am a' chogaidh.

September 14, 2005, 16:48	#6
J. Armstrong Minister of Amusement Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 13629 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SE Pa Posts: 8,502	Seems like a neat idea. Just remember, if you ARE spotted by the "bad guys" ( whatever type they may be) it's going to be hard to defend yourself unless you're a fair sized group there. You can't stay awake forever, nor can you cover every possible landing area even on a small island. Just a thought ( and not an original one at that 0. __________________ "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools" Herbert Spenser "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud

September 14, 2005, 08:14	#4
Survey Punk FALaholic #: 8380 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Blounts Creek, NC Posts: 4,160	Pamlico River in eastern NC. If it was good enough for Blackbeard. it's good enough for me. Aarrrgh , JB

September 14, 2005, 17:00	#7
W.E.G. Administrator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 1211 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Virginia Posts: 31,055	Bug IN. Stand fast. well...unless its New Orleans, and the roof is underwater. I'd rather expire in my house than on some godforsaken island on a lake. __________________ . . . Ask me about the Mason-Dixon FAL Collectors Association.

September 14, 2005, 18:26	#8
brownknees Registered FALaholic #: 14917 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: mid atlantic Posts: 12,015	Boat for Bug Out? I think you'll be highly visible in a boat on a lake, but if you can get round that (run at night without lights?) then it may be a good idea. Remember the best place to hide a tree is in a forest! One car among a bunch is kind of inconspicuous. Unless its a bannana yellow Lamborghini! Shape. Shine. Shilouette. Shadow. Sound. Beat those 5 & you're home free.

September 14, 2005, 19:04	#9
Thomas Member Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 7451 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Central Kentucky Posts: 493	Think about a gill net for your bug out bag. We had them in USAF survival kits. Dad let us try them out as kids, cought a lot of bullheads. Weight is almost nothing. __________________ Thomas

September 14, 2005, 19:21	#10
MTS Registered FALaholic #: 17411 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 966	No fires, though. The smoke would be seen for miles.

September 14, 2005, 19:31	#11
PARA FN FAL Registered FALaholic #: 17487 Join Date: May 2005 Location: las vegas Posts: 1,094	If you do go to one of these islands find one with decent high ground and as little cover/concealment around the shore as possible. This will be your KILL ZONE of last resort. When you travel go at night .But other boats can have radar so sneaking by at night can be tricky in a boat with any size to it. Choose rifles that can use the high ground to your maximum effect and there is no cover on the water so don't let bad guys land on the island. Practice Bugging out to your island in diffrent seasons. You may find out that fog,bugs,snakes ect are an issue.

September 15, 2005, 01:10	#12
Treborer Registered FALaholic #: 9148 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NE US Posts: 1,255	If your living in a place, that you think is not worth defending, move. Are you there because the job is there? You'll take the money, but run when it gets tough? Stand and fight, protect your job and your nieghborhood. Just a thought. __________________ "I Don't have a Clue"

September 18, 2005, 07:05	#13
mosbysmen Senior Member Moderator FALaholic #: 782 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: louisana Posts: 2,356	go there on a holiday weekend and see how many of the islands have people camping on them.. there is a place like that where my brother lives, he says if you dont get there early on friday morning all the good islands are taken. start keeping notes on which islands are regullary camped on . go to the other ones and look for a place to put a bucket cache in place on it. __________________ fio para bellator be the prepared warrior Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover.” ¯ Mark Twain "when you have integrity..... nothing else matters when you don't have integrity.... nothing else matters" Teach The Children This Simple Principle.... Bob Kelly "Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming -- WOW--What a Ride l

September 18, 2005, 16:23	#14
Jez Cruzen Registered FALaholic #: 5331 Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: East Coast Posts: 753	The BOB thing sounds romantic, but I have my doubts as to it's practicality in a pending disaster situation other than assembling those personal items necessary if you have to move into a shelter. An island? Unless the island is Tahiti, then no thanks partner! My home is the best prepared location. Not some BOB stuffed with minimal gear and having to trudge around hoping no one sees me. You know whats a lot better than "bug out" plans and "bug out bags"? Friends! Establish yourself in your community and make lots of friends. Join a volunteer emergnecy response organization. Not only could they probably use the help, but it provides a cover for you in times of trouble. You are not viewed as some whacko or as a danger that must be delt with like you might be slinking around in the woods, or on some island in the middle of a man-made lake. You are viewed as an emergency response professional - a value to your community - and that in itself provides you and your family protection. Please don't anyone take offense. But, come on....its easy to get drawn in to that Rambo - take no prisoners - self-destructive thinking. Survival means obtaining help, and having that help available means being a part of something, not out alone on the fringes. That only makes you a target!

September 18, 2005, 18:24	#15
mr fixit Registered FALaholic #: 5663 Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: N. E. Texas Posts: 809	Well, one fact ot come out of New Orleans is that staying at home (on dry ground) and working together with armed neighbors WILL work. For you and the neighborhood. That is until "Da Goobermint" comes to help. I have so many thoughts, points and questions... I'll post them soon, after I can organize them in my mind. __________________ Check out my blog: The Fixit Shop A finely crafted weapon is a joy to see and own, no matter what it's age. "Every man is responsible for defending every woman and every child. When the male no longer takes this role, when he no longer has the courage or feels the moral responsibility, then that society will no longer be a society where honor and virtue are esteemed. Laws and government cannot replace this personal caring and commitment. In the absence of the Warrior protector, the only way that a government can protect a society is to remove the freedom of the people. And the sons and daughters of lions become sheep." -James Williams "It's a new breed," Keeton said. "They're urban raccoons, and they're not afraid."

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