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Old July 28, 2005, 18:46   #1
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Australian Gun Control....from an Aussie Cop!!

Police ofcr. buddy sent me this, thought I'd share it...........


Here's a thought to warm some of your hearts...
From: Ed Chenel, A police officer in Australia

Hi Yanks, I thought you all would like to see the real figures from Down Under. It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced by a new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by our own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars.

The first year results are now in: Australia-wide, homicides are up 3.2 percent, Australia-wide, assaults are up 8.6 percent; Australia-wide, armed robberies are up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)! In the state of Victoria alone,

homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. (Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not! and criminals still possess their guns!)

While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady decrease in armed robbery with firearms, this has changed drastically upward in the past 12 months, since the criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed. There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the elderly.

Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in "successfully ridding Australian society of guns." You won't see this on the American evening news or hear your governor or members of the State Assembly disseminating this information.

The Australian experience proves it. Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws affect only the law-abiding citizens.

Take note Americans, before it's too late!

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BE OF THE VOCAL MINORITY WHO WON'T LET THIS HAPPEN IN THE U.S.A
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Old July 28, 2005, 21:01   #2
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Great post!

DO NOT FORGET: The Australian Government had a SWAT team kill the real Crocodile Dundee because he refused to turn in some shotguns and rifles.
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Old July 28, 2005, 23:25   #3
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I can't quote chapter and verse, but I believe Britain has had a similar experience. They'll never admit to it though. It's all about power and an armed citizenry is a political nuisance. Thomas Jefferson is probably glad he's dead.
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Old July 29, 2005, 00:59   #4
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The Australian Government had a SWAT team kill the real Crocodile Dundee because he refused to turn in some shotguns and rifles.
.....errrrrrrrrr DOG SHIT.....!!!!


I agree with the sentiment and such but the bit about the "real Croc Dundee" is BS. He became in an altercation and ended up shooting two Police. The Police Operation to apprehend him was a result of this shooting which had NOTHING to do with his failure to hand in a firearm. To be honest the guy was ecentric at best and a complete nutter at worst.
The crime stats and such quoted are somewhat out of date now but educated opinion is that the whole gun ban/buy back had NO impact on the ILLEGAL use/ownership of firearms.

It is a good warning for y'all in the US to keep fighting.

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Old July 29, 2005, 10:35   #5
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The crime stats and such quoted are somewhat out of date now but educated opinion is that the whole gun ban/buy back had NO impact on the ILLEGAL use/ownership of firearms.
No impact? By that you mean made it worse, better, or made no difference for the honest citizens? So, if the stats are outdated, what are the new stats? Did things level out or are they now thinking of banning forks, rocks, and hands not covered with socks?

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Snopes

Essentially, Snopes is saying the numbers are so small that the statistics don't really mean much. But they don't dispute it. It's also dated 2001.
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Old July 29, 2005, 16:33   #7
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The stats are old. It would be good cannon folder to compare them to current year stats.

I think they moved onto more deadly devices now, like swords !
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The stats are old. It would be good cannon folder to compare them to current year stats.

I think they moved onto more deadly devices now, like swords !
I heard the Aussies now settle disputes with pointy sticks and hand axes like Homo Erectus.

Just poking fun at you Andy.
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Old July 30, 2005, 01:37   #9
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We paly "Paper Rock Scissors" to the death now....

Latest crime stats are out around a month ago and not much has changed (either up or down) in respect of firearms crime in the past couple of years.

Robbery "with other than firearm" was down as I recall and so are firearm related deaths. Murder with a firearm remained about the same it is suicide with a firearm that has dropped. Suicide rates have not dropped they just use another means.
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Old July 30, 2005, 06:50   #10
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I can't quote chapter and verse, but I believe Britain has had a similar experience. They'll never admit to it though. It's all about power and an armed citizenry is a political nuisance. Thomas Jefferson is probably glad he's dead.
IIRC, homicide and assault with deadly weapon rates are up in the UK since the final stage of their ban, but since they have been progressively banning different things over the course of years, it would be hard to determine a beginning and an end point for a study. Bottom line is that so many people are now attacking each other with kitchen knives in the UK (due to the lack of guns) that the gov't is now banning certain type of kitchen knives (length, blade shape..."assault knives"???) - which is to say they still don't get it. It's just a matter of time before they ban cricket bats and can openers. Meanwhile, the British people are beginning to understand that the police can not defend them everywhere all the time (see also, London subway bombings) - but because they sheepishly went along with the firearms ban, they are all defenseless targets for any raghead extremist with a backpack.

When I think of all the tens of thousands of personally-owned US weapons that were selflessly given to the British people for self-defense during WWII that they have now melted down and turned into slag (rather than being returned to the US people) it just makes me nauseous...
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