AK folder question?

Speedfish · July 18, 2005, 07:56

Can you replace a wooden AK stock with an underfolder? I mean anything is possible, but will it look like it's suppose to or not? And how involved would it be to do it?

Thanks,

Speedfish

**bykerhd** · July 18, 2005, 08:27

Should be able to. Assuming it's a stamped receiver. You may end up with some extra holes as the trunnions for the folders will likely require different alignment. The AK 47s and 74s use different receivers. I don't know if the rear trunnions interchange. Plus you'll need some rivets and a way to install them. Easier to do when the gun is being built.
You might want to look in to getting rid of what you have and buying one set up as you want. There are some really nice Arsenal AKs around in about any configuration you could want. Or have one built from a kit.

HatchetJoe · July 18, 2005, 12:50

It's noyt a drop in anstallation as the trunnions are different and some machine work is required. All that aside I've seen a trunnion with an underfolder that plugs in and replaces the wood, Not sure who makes that.

**bykerhd** · July 18, 2005, 12:57

This what you were thinking of Hatchet Joe ? Or, was it the TAPCO version ?
Ace stock

renaissance_warrior · July 18, 2005, 13:17

There are many models of underfolders available and pick up the complete rear for under $80 or so. If you have a milled receiver, that's an entirely different matter. What model is it, and what kind of folding stock do you want?

Mark

16R40 · July 18, 2005, 13:45

Quote:

Originally posted by Speedfish
And how involved would it be to do it?

Thanks,

Speedfish

first off you will have to take out the rear trunion, fill in the the existing rivet holes and install a underfolder trunion, rivet the new trunion in place, drill a hole in the receiver for the button that unlocks the stock........not all that sure if any modifications have to be done to the rear of the receiver..........it's pretty involved, not as much as installing a triangle side folder, but still a bit of work to do on it.

16R40 · July 18, 2005, 13:54

Quote:

Originally posted by bykerhd
The AK 47s and 74s use different receivers.

the AKM and 74 are the same receivers.........the only difference between the 2 is the mag well opening, and the ejecector........other then those 2 things, they are the same in every way.

Stranger · July 18, 2005, 14:02

Why convert to an underfolder? Just install a nice side folder. They just drop right in.

IMHO, underfolders are one of the most uncomfortable rifles to shoot.

Stranger · July 18, 2005, 14:03

Quote:

Originally posted by 16R40

the AKM and 74 are the same receivers.........the only difference between the 2 is the mag well opening, and the ejecector........other then those 2 things, they are the same in every way.

They are the same thing, only different...

16R40 · July 18, 2005, 14:22

Quote:

Originally posted by Stranger

They are the same thing, only different...

I was point out the fact that the dimensions of the receivers, are the exact same between them, so it really doesn't matter what rear trunions you use, they will fit in them

16R40 · July 18, 2005, 14:54

I should have include this part of this in the orignal quote by bykerhd in my post.....

"I don't know if the rear trunnions interchange."

justashooter · July 18, 2005, 16:49

Quote:

Originally posted by Stranger

IMHO, underfolders are one of the most uncomfortable rifles to shoot.

yeah, but they got cool factor, and make the commies mad. that's the only reason i have one (or two, or three...can't count that high in my old age)

Speedfish · July 18, 2005, 17:06

I want to replace the butthole stock on my Bulgarian SLR 95. I might do the side folder instead though, does the side folder require a different rear trunion? I have looked at the Tapco sidefolders, but am not too crazy about them folding to the right, but I guess it makes more sense from a carrying perspective than folding to the left.

Thanks for all the replies,

Speedfish

Stranger · July 18, 2005, 17:23

Nope, it just slides right in replacing the stock.... after you beat out the stock that is...

Check out Machine Gun Supply for really nice E. German folding stocks for $70. They fold to the right, but do not interfer with the action of the rifle. You can fold it and run it gangsta' style.

(If you have forearms like Popeye.)

You probably already thought about this, but if you put on a folding stock you will have to install the correct number of US parts to make it "legal" according to the BATF.

One other things someone else will have to answer. The SLR 95 has a milled receiver as I understand it, and I don't know how the rear trunnion would affect the installation, if at all. Somebody?

JasonB · July 20, 2005, 20:04

I am with the others on getting a side folder. The Romanian side folders are cheap, sturdy, and when folded only adds an inch or 2 to the overall length. If you are installing it on a 5.45 you won't notice much difference when shooting it versus a fixed, but 7.62 will pop you a bit harder every now and then.

With underfolders from what I have read, in addition to the problem of installing it generally the mechanism gets sloppy with use and the few underfolders I have handled were not nearly as tight as the Romy folders. Also, if you end up with a Chinese or milled variety stock you are going to get a lot of drop to the stock which means your cheek weld is going to be the underside of your lower jaw sitting on the top of the stock strut. With that set up recoil suddenly becomes very noticeable. Although I haven't had the opportunity to play with an AKMS pattern stock which should be better until wear lets the stock drop. If I were you I think I would try to find one somewhere to play with before you work your rifle over.

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July 18, 2005, 08:27	#2
bykerhd Dinosaur Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 2798 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Burlington Vermont area Posts: 13,262	Should be able to. Assuming it's a stamped receiver. You may end up with some extra holes as the trunnions for the folders will likely require different alignment. The AK 47s and 74s use different receivers. I don't know if the rear trunnions interchange. Plus you'll need some rivets and a way to install them. Easier to do when the gun is being built. You might want to look in to getting rid of what you have and buying one set up as you want. There are some really nice Arsenal AKs around in about any configuration you could want. Or have one built from a kit.

July 18, 2005, 12:50	#3
HatchetJoe Registered FALaholic #: 5838 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: USS Enterprise NCC 1701 Posts: 88	It's noyt a drop in anstallation as the trunnions are different and some machine work is required. All that aside I've seen a trunnion with an underfolder that plugs in and replaces the wood, Not sure who makes that.

July 18, 2005, 12:57	#4
bykerhd Dinosaur Bronze Contributor FALaholic #: 2798 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Burlington Vermont area Posts: 13,262	This what you were thinking of Hatchet Joe ? Or, was it the TAPCO version ? Ace stock

July 18, 2005, 14:02	#8
Stranger Registered FALaholic #: 3555 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 9,498	Why convert to an underfolder? Just install a nice side folder. They just drop right in. IMHO, underfolders are one of the most uncomfortable rifles to shoot.

July 18, 2005, 14:54	#11
16R40 Banned TROLL FALaholic #: 8227 Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,754	I should have include this part of this in the orignal quote by bykerhd in my post..... "I don't know if the rear trunnions interchange."

July 18, 2005, 17:06	#13
Speedfish Registered FALaholic #: 6547 Join Date: May 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 356	I want to replace the butthole stock on my Bulgarian SLR 95. I might do the side folder instead though, does the side folder require a different rear trunion? I have looked at the Tapco sidefolders, but am not too crazy about them folding to the right, but I guess it makes more sense from a carrying perspective than folding to the left. Thanks for all the replies, Speedfish

July 18, 2005, 17:23	#14
Stranger Registered FALaholic #: 3555 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 9,498	Nope, it just slides right in replacing the stock.... after you beat out the stock that is... Check out Machine Gun Supply for really nice E. German folding stocks for $70. They fold to the right, but do not interfer with the action of the rifle. You can fold it and run it gangsta' style. (If you have forearms like Popeye.) You probably already thought about this, but if you put on a folding stock you will have to install the correct number of US parts to make it "legal" according to the BATF. One other things someone else will have to answer. The SLR 95 has a milled receiver as I understand it, and I don't know how the rear trunnion would affect the installation, if at all. Somebody?

July 20, 2005, 20:04	#15
JasonB Registered FALaholic #: 7430 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 90° N 0° W Posts: 9,282	I am with the others on getting a side folder. The Romanian side folders are cheap, sturdy, and when folded only adds an inch or 2 to the overall length. If you are installing it on a 5.45 you won't notice much difference when shooting it versus a fixed, but 7.62 will pop you a bit harder every now and then. With underfolders from what I have read, in addition to the problem of installing it generally the mechanism gets sloppy with use and the few underfolders I have handled were not nearly as tight as the Romy folders. Also, if you end up with a Chinese or milled variety stock you are going to get a lot of drop to the stock which means your cheek weld is going to be the underside of your lower jaw sitting on the top of the stock strut. With that set up recoil suddenly becomes very noticeable. Although I haven't had the opportunity to play with an AKMS pattern stock which should be better until wear lets the stock drop. If I were you I think I would try to find one somewhere to play with before you work your rifle over.