Bolt ID- New Belgian?

[adam762]

I have two of these. I believe they are new unissued Belgian, but there is some question as to whether they have the original finish on them. I have not refinished them, but that doesn't mean much... At any rate, I believe them to be new unissued/unserialized Belgian bolts. What do you all think? I know there are some experts out there.

Thanks for posting for me James. Curse my stupid intranet/workstation setup here at work. Can't upload ANYTHING. I do have full sized versions of these pics in an email, so if anyone wants to see them closer, let me know and I'll forward the email to you.

Adam

[Pistolwiz]

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[adam762]

Thanks James. You rock.

[SKTRGNLDR]

Although I'm not an expert on FALS...I do know a little bit about how machine parts are made.

In looking at the pictures, comparing them to 3 bolts I have which are confirmed Belgian, come of the machine cuts on the bolt(s) in the pictures do not match the cuts on my bolts (note: my bolts are of 60s, 70s, and 80s manufacture, ald all the cuts were made the same way with the same type of tools.

Furthermore, it s typical that the final acceptance mark is stamped after the part is finished thus leaving shiny marks where the mark was struck. In your photos, the f.a.m appears to have been parked over. In addition, the F.A.M. on all Belgian bolts I've seen are stamped on the top ridge of the bolt. Your's are stamped along the side of the bolt body.

Another issue is the firing pin. Most new FAL pins I've encountered were cut, hardened, and ground, thus leaving a shiny shaft and tip. In your photo, the pin appears to have been parked.

One way to see for sure if a bolt is new is to look at the locking shoulder area. If a bolt is new, the pre engagement angle has an almost sharp edge and is the same from side to side. A bolt that has been used will show wear marks.

Finally, most "new" parked Belgian parts have a smooth almost translucent parkerized finish. Some parts are even black oxided (blued). The bolts in the picture appear to have been blasted with an agressive media before being parkerized.

You bolts may be new however, if I were willing to pay top dollar for a new bolt, I'd rather buy them NIW.

[adam762]

The 'wrap' that these came in is definitely not the original arsenal packing from FN. I believe these were purchased by a large importer at some time a while back, and then possibly refinished by the same. They look rather like DSA parts, really. The park reminds me of stuff I've seen come from them. The stamps are all very sharp, and the milling marks are still clear on all sides with no sign of wear. As far as markings go, they are marked the same as two other bolts that came with G1 kits, with the exception of the SN and what I believe is a German accepance stamp just forward of the SN.

I still think they are new FN, unissued, but probably refinished. That's OK with me. I have plans for them.

[SKTRGNLDR]

They could be Steyr Mfg GI Bolts...I believe DSA still offers these for sale.

[Mr pogo]

Pic #5 definitely shows the FN proofmark. They can be found on the top or side of the bolt.
I would not hazard a guess whether original or refinished without better pics or seeing one in person.

[Pistolwiz]

Originally posted by SKTRGNLDR
Although I'm not an expert on FALS...I do know a little bit about how machine parts are made.

In looking at the pictures, comparing them to 3 bolts I have which are confirmed Belgian, come of the machine cuts on the bolt(s) in the pictures do not match the cuts on my bolts (note: my bolts are of 60s, 70s, and 80s manufacture, ald all the cuts were made the same way with the same type of tools.

Furthermore, it s typical that the final acceptance mark is stamped after the part is finished thus leaving shiny marks where the mark was struck. In your photos, the f.a.m appears to have been parked over. In addition, the F.A.M. on all Belgian bolts I've seen are stamped on the top ridge of the bolt. Your's are stamped along the side of the bolt body.

Another issue is the firing pin. Most new FAL pins I've encountered were cut, hardened, and ground, thus leaving a shiny shaft and tip. In your photo, the pin appears to have been parked.

One way to see for sure if a bolt is new is to look at the locking shoulder area. If a bolt is new, the pre engagement angle has an almost sharp edge and is the same from side to side. A bolt that has been used will show wear marks.

Finally, most "new" parked Belgian parts have a smooth almost translucent parkerized finish. Some parts are even black oxided (blued). The bolts in the picture appear to have been blasted with an agressive media before being parkerized.

You bolts may be new however, if I were willing to pay top dollar for a new bolt, I'd rather buy them NIW.

That's pretty much what I said. The Parking job really tipped me off first. Definately FN. Really nice bolts though! Figured it was a good idea to present them to the Files and see what the members thought also to confirm.

NIW Belgians would be a real prize!

[granite]

The bolt looks almost exactly like one in a circa Dec. 2004 DSA STG58. Black park, Y on top of proof mark on side. Incidently, the bolt carrier had a H on top of the proof mark, and was parked in a gray which matched the receiver park.

[1006587]

That bolt looks exactly like the bolt in my G1. I can't remember it the bolt came with the reparked G1 kit from DSA or if I got a new in the wrap one from Tapco way back in the day. My bolt has a flat milled area on the top like your's. There is no evidence of it ever being stamped. Proof marks are the same.