The most beautiful Israeli heavy barrel, more pics

SLR-5000 · March 03, 2005, 22:13

Here's a few pics of the latest Izzy in the Pioneer Parts stable.
Israeli SBL ONYX type 1 receiver with an Israeli experimental dust cover, the whole rifle is FLAWLESS.
Pat

ftierson · March 03, 2005, 23:25

It's a beauty, that's for sure...

homelandprotector · March 03, 2005, 23:43

Are you selling that?

STxDR · March 04, 2005, 01:23

Very, VERY Nice HB.

NZ L1A1 Collector · March 04, 2005, 03:13

What a stunning looking rifle.

I'll give you 3 very beautiful ewes for that dust cover

mp · March 04, 2005, 04:14

Any chance of getting some close ups of the lettering and Star of David? I would love to replicate on my clone.

**EMDII** · March 04, 2005, 04:59

The Monica Belluci of HBs! Stunning!

masman · March 04, 2005, 05:09

very nice. can you tell us more about that dust cover?

splattermatic · March 04, 2005, 05:40

ow ! damn she's phat....
best looking jap i've ever seen...

(jewish american princess)

**EMDII** · March 04, 2005, 05:46

Quote:

Originally posted by masman
very nice. can you tell us more about that dust cover?

Israel, having rather notoriously poor maintenance of small arms by settlers yadayada (in contrast to their other prowesses), developed this dust cover. You see them in photos, but not too often in commerce.

Brian in MN · March 04, 2005, 09:26

Too bad you couldn't hunt up some nice looking furniture for that thing, Pat.

Love to see a pic with the dust cover open.

Is the dust cover factory attached to the body cover or is it a removable add on to a standard receiver & body cover combo?

Very cool.

PS: IMHO your handguard spacer is in the wrong spot. I have never seen a pic of a genuine service rifle with a spacer in the rear position. I know Americans put them there most of the time. If anybody has a pic of an issue rifle with the spacer in the rear slot I would love to see it, Hbbl or 50.00.

P806 · March 04, 2005, 15:29

Man I would love to have a few of those dust covers!

**J. Armstrong** · March 04, 2005, 15:45

Quote:

[i].

Is the dust cover factory attached to the body cover or is it a removable add on to a standard receiver & body cover combo?

PS: IMHO your handguard spacer is in the wrong spot. I have never seen a pic of a genuine service rifle with a spacer in the rear position. I know Americans put them there most of the time. If anybody has a pic of an issue rifle with the spacer in the rear slot I would love to see it, Hbbl or 50.00.

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It is a complete dust cover assembly - slides on as a unit in place of the original cover. I picked one up at a show 5 -6 years ago not knowing its exact provenance ( nor did the seller

) IIRC, paid about $35 - 40 for it in perfect shape. One of my few lucky decisions

I'm quite sure correct "as issued" location for the spacer on an Izzy LB is one only, in the forward slot. Not as positive about the HBs. Probably not "wrong" where it is, as in the field almost anything could and did happen. A friend who served remembers the LBs well and confirms the front only location, but he doesn't recall about the HBs since he had less exposure to them.

**KIT** · March 04, 2005, 15:48

Pat

What a beautiful example of an Izzy HB, truly a labor of love. I agree with Brian in that I would love to get some additional detail on the dust-cover. First decent pics of one that I have ever seen. Additional detailed pics would be an excellent addition to the R&D Forum as well. Finally, was the receiver originally imported as a genuine Type 1? Most of the Israeli receivers that I have seen were of the Armscorp/S.B.L. type and lacked the lightening cut detail on the mag-well.

-KIT-

**J. Armstrong** · March 04, 2005, 15:59

BTW, GORGEOUS HB , Pat. Hope my LB turns out half as nice !

John Culver · March 04, 2005, 18:46

WOW!! that thing is beautiful in everyway.

I bet it is WAY better looking then ANY as the left the factory.

paladin · March 04, 2005, 20:05

DAY-UMM, that sure is sweeeet!...Paladin

newfalguy101 · March 04, 2005, 20:16

beautiful rifle

elbo · March 04, 2005, 20:24

Some things carry the extra weight well.

Quote:

Originally posted by J. Armstrong
I'm quite sure correct "as issued" location for the spacer on an Izzy LB is one only, in the forward slot. Not as positive about the HBs. Probably not "wrong" where it is, as in the field almost anything could and did happen. A friend who served remembers the LBs well and confirms the front only location, but he doesn't recall about the HBs since he had less exposure to them.

The spacer is in the only place that you can put the spacer. The front location isn't cut into the metal.

84SS · March 04, 2005, 22:09

WOW !

SLR-5000 · March 05, 2005, 08:08

Brian the heavy barrel handguard metal only has one cut out for the spacer and that is in the rearward position, the wood part has two cut outs.
Pat

SLR-5000 · March 05, 2005, 08:16

3 pigs on the floor.
Sorry for the crappy pic (not my style) took it last night after a many beers.
All Aussie
All Belgian
All Israeli

Brian in MN · March 05, 2005, 09:16

Quote:

Originally posted by SLR-5000
Brian the heavy barrel handguard metal only has one cut out for the spacer and that is in the rearward position, the wood part has two cut outs.
Pat

Thanks, Pat. That is very interesting. I have never seen a published pic with a HB spacer to the rear.

SLR-5000 · March 06, 2005, 20:42

KIT, the receiver left Israel as a true type 1

**J. Armstrong** · March 06, 2005, 20:54

[The spacer is in the only place that you can put the spacer. The front location isn't cut into the metal. [/B][/QUOTE]

Well, I'm holding a like new set in my hand with both slots cut, so apparently there's some variation - but that's not a surprise when it comes to FALs, is it !!

SLR-5000 · March 06, 2005, 21:34

Light barrel metal is cut in two places and the Heavy 's are cut in the rear position.
Don't argue Jim or I wont send you your Belgian H/B

Pat

**J. Armstrong** · March 07, 2005, 21:37

Geez, Pat, you sure know how to be convincing

You've got me looking to see if maybe these have been modified and refinished - doesn't look it and they're definitely HB. Would seem that two spacers on the HB would be unlikely - although I don't have one right here to look at ( yet

I would think the the barrel taper would mean if the rear fit the front would be well clear of the barrel and thus useless. I'd better get rid of these HGs before 1) Pat carries out his threat and 2) I get a crazed urge to build an Izzy HB .
Couldn't compete with Pats, that is about as perfect and pretty as I've ever seen

ftierson · March 07, 2005, 21:49

All of the HB HGs that I have seen have/had the metal cut for only the rear spacer...

I seriously thought about cutting the metal for the front one too on a rifle that I am building up using the HB handguards, but finally decided to leave them alone.

Besides, the HGs, which I received from gunthings.com, were in such great shape (new) that it would suck to cut them...

Stg 58 · March 10, 2005, 21:09

don't mean to hijack your thread but were the onyx cut here or in isreal?? I am speaking of the machining?? many years ago I heard rumors that oynx did the final machining .

Your gun is beutiful.

Must be like mine with a 87#

March 03, 2005, 22:13	#1
SLR-5000 pat@SAFLithgow.com FALaholic #: 9674 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rathdrum, North Idaho Posts: 1,887	The most beautiful Israeli heavy barrel, more pics Here's a few pics of the latest Izzy in the Pioneer Parts stable. Israeli SBL ONYX type 1 receiver with an Israeli experimental dust cover, the whole rifle is FLAWLESS. Pat Last edited by SLR-5000; March 06, 2005 at 20:51.

March 03, 2005, 23:43	#3
homelandprotector Registered FALaholic #: 16592 Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Reno, Nevada Posts: 6,161	Are you selling that? __________________ We need about 3000 Ron Paul's in Washington.....HLP

March 04, 2005, 01:23	#4
STxDR Registered FALaholic #: 10008 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 119	Very, VERY Nice HB. __________________ Action is Quicker than Reaction When I found the Key to Life.....It turned out to be a combination lock!?! MOLON LABE

March 04, 2005, 03:13	#5
NZ L1A1 Collector Moderator & Collectaholic FALaholic #: 45 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,884	What a stunning looking rifle. I'll give you 3 very beautiful ewes for that dust cover __________________ Rifle, 7.62 mm, L1A1 Collector & Researcher. NEW ZEALAND

March 04, 2005, 04:59	#7
EMDII Evil Moderator Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 6 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Kennesaw, GA Posts: 13,971	The Monica Belluci of HBs! Stunning! __________________ "The Spartans do not enquire how many enemy there are. The SPartans merely enquire WHERE they are." E.M. (Ted) Dannemiller II 1*

March 03, 2005, 23:25	#2
ftierson Registered FALaholic #: 13827 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 11,206	It's a beauty, that's for sure...

March 04, 2005, 04:14	#6
mp Registered FALaholic #: 654 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 1,653	Any chance of getting some close ups of the lettering and Star of David? I would love to replicate on my clone.

March 04, 2005, 05:09	#8
masman Registered FALaholic #: 781 Join Date: Aug 2000 Posts: 5,662	very nice. can you tell us more about that dust cover? __________________ somethings wrong with the world when the best rapper is white.the best golfer is black.the french think that the us is arrogant and the germans don't want to go to war

March 04, 2005, 05:40	#9
splattermatic "THUG" MODERATOR FALaholic #: 2223 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: southwestern,usa Posts: 6,791	ow ! damn she's phat.... best looking jap i've ever seen... (jewish american princess) __________________ the worst thing about making it to middle age, is watching people you know and love, start dying off. i miss you cubby 10-10-08 kim, thanks for being my friend.

March 04, 2005, 09:26	#11
Brian in MN Registered FALaholic #: 289 Join Date: Jul 2000 Posts: 4,927	Too bad you couldn't hunt up some nice looking furniture for that thing, Pat. Love to see a pic with the dust cover open. Is the dust cover factory attached to the body cover or is it a removable add on to a standard receiver & body cover combo? Very cool. PS: IMHO your handguard spacer is in the wrong spot. I have never seen a pic of a genuine service rifle with a spacer in the rear position. I know Americans put them there most of the time. If anybody has a pic of an issue rifle with the spacer in the rear slot I would love to see it, Hbbl or 50.00. __________________ Kalashnikov: The most successful point and click interface in the world. Last edited by Brian in MN; March 04, 2005 at 09:31.

March 04, 2005, 15:29	#12
P806 Registered FALaholic #: 8348 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: GA Posts: 1,493	Man I would love to have a few of those dust covers! __________________ Semper Fi 1*

March 04, 2005, 15:48	#14
KIT Silver Contributor Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 8264 Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Rocky Mount,VA Posts: 1,835	Pat What a beautiful example of an Izzy HB, truly a labor of love. I agree with Brian in that I would love to get some additional detail on the dust-cover. First decent pics of one that I have ever seen. Additional detailed pics would be an excellent addition to the R&D Forum as well. Finally, was the receiver originally imported as a genuine Type 1? Most of the Israeli receivers that I have seen were of the Armscorp/S.B.L. type and lacked the lightening cut detail on the mag-well. -KIT- Last edited by KIT; March 04, 2005 at 19:41.

March 04, 2005, 15:59	#15
J. Armstrong Minister of Amusement Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 13629 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SE Pa Posts: 8,563	BTW, GORGEOUS HB , Pat. Hope my LB turns out half as nice ! __________________ "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools" Herbert Spenser "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud

March 04, 2005, 18:46	#16
John Culver Registered FALaholic #: 6035 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 8,619	WOW!! that thing is beautiful in everyway. I bet it is WAY better looking then ANY as the left the factory. __________________ The speculative line of demarcation, where obedience ought to end and resistance must begin, is faint, obscure, and not easily definable. --Burke. ---------------------- The CPU Shack - CPU History and Microprocessor Collection.

March 04, 2005, 20:05	#17
paladin Registered Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 2056 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Ellicott City, Maryland US of A. Posts: 853	DAY-UMM, that sure is sweeeet!...Paladin __________________ THOSE WITH THE WEAPONS MAKE THE RULES. Ask me about the Mason-Dixon FAL Collectors Association.

March 04, 2005, 20:16	#18
newfalguy101 Registered FALaholic #: 6260 Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Clay Center, NE Posts: 4,242	beautiful rifle __________________ Trust in the LORD with all your heart, mind and soul......... front sight, press. repeat as needed! 01 FFL :biggrin: Transfers $20 orders actual dealer + $50 Clay Center, NE

March 04, 2005, 22:09	#20
84SS Registered FALaholic #: 7640 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Memfrica Posts: 122	WOW !

March 05, 2005, 08:08	#21
SLR-5000 pat@SAFLithgow.com FALaholic #: 9674 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rathdrum, North Idaho Posts: 1,887	Brian the heavy barrel handguard metal only has one cut out for the spacer and that is in the rearward position, the wood part has two cut outs. Pat

March 05, 2005, 08:16	#22
SLR-5000 pat@SAFLithgow.com FALaholic #: 9674 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rathdrum, North Idaho Posts: 1,887	3 pigs on the floor. Sorry for the crappy pic (not my style) took it last night after a many beers. All Aussie All Belgian All Israeli

March 06, 2005, 20:42	#24
SLR-5000 pat@SAFLithgow.com FALaholic #: 9674 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rathdrum, North Idaho Posts: 1,887	KIT, the receiver left Israel as a true type 1 Last edited by SLR-5000; March 06, 2005 at 20:50.

March 06, 2005, 20:54	#25
J. Armstrong Minister of Amusement Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 13629 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SE Pa Posts: 8,563	[The spacer is in the only place that you can put the spacer. The front location isn't cut into the metal. [/B][/QUOTE] Well, I'm holding a like new set in my hand with both slots cut, so apparently there's some variation - but that's not a surprise when it comes to FALs, is it !! __________________ "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools" Herbert Spenser "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud

March 06, 2005, 21:34	#26
SLR-5000 pat@SAFLithgow.com FALaholic #: 9674 Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Rathdrum, North Idaho Posts: 1,887	Light barrel metal is cut in two places and the Heavy 's are cut in the rear position. Don't argue Jim or I wont send you your Belgian H/B Pat

March 07, 2005, 21:37	#27
J. Armstrong Minister of Amusement Silver Contributor FALaholic #: 13629 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SE Pa Posts: 8,563	Geez, Pat, you sure know how to be convincing You've got me looking to see if maybe these have been modified and refinished - doesn't look it and they're definitely HB. Would seem that two spacers on the HB would be unlikely - although I don't have one right here to look at ( yet I would think the the barrel taper would mean if the rear fit the front would be well clear of the barrel and thus useless. I'd better get rid of these HGs before 1) Pat carries out his threat and 2) I get a crazed urge to build an Izzy HB . Couldn't compete with Pats, that is about as perfect and pretty as I've ever seen __________________ "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools" Herbert Spenser "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." Sigmund Freud

March 07, 2005, 21:49	#28
ftierson Registered FALaholic #: 13827 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 11,206	All of the HB HGs that I have seen have/had the metal cut for only the rear spacer... I seriously thought about cutting the metal for the front one too on a rifle that I am building up using the HB handguards, but finally decided to leave them alone. Besides, the HGs, which I received from gunthings.com, were in such great shape (new) that it would suck to cut them...

March 10, 2005, 21:09	#29
Stg 58 Registered FALaholic #: 3023 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Wash Posts: 579	don't mean to hijack your thread but were the onyx cut here or in isreal?? I am speaking of the machining?? many years ago I heard rumors that oynx did the final machining . Your gun is beutiful. Must be like mine with a 87#

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