Zip ties for ALICE clips????

brownknees · February 26, 2005, 08:35

In response to a bunch of different ways to back up the ALICE clips I've never heard of this one so I tried it.
Use the right sized zip ties to secure pouches to the web belt. They go right thru the existing slots, & if you arrange them so that the locking tab is at the top of the belt with the protruding part facing away from the body they wont bind or pinch. Trim off the excess length with side or end cutters flush to the locking tab& carefully melt the sharp end with a lighter flame to deburr the cut end. If you position them so the locking tab is alligned with the top of the web belt they are really flush.
New idea or just so bad everyone tried it & it didn't work?

Deltaten · February 26, 2005, 17:51

brownknees:

While yer mebbe not the first to discover the myriad of uses for zip-ties, including locking down ALICE clips; I applaud yer in-depth. technique.
I'da never thought of turning them thataways!

Someone here posted a wel accepted series of pix of the same gig, using para cord. Pictorial instruction of the manner of looping/fastening may be better than written??

Seriously....
While most have heard of these "tricks", few have ever [had to do] done it.
Saving someone else the aggravation of having to dope out the best method of doing something is a small blessing.

Best,
Paul

eggroll · February 26, 2005, 18:04

how about stripped 550 cord?

falfan#1 · February 26, 2005, 19:49

I use various types of Zip-Ties in my job everyday. One thing I have noticed is the quality varies widely. I have snapped cheap ones tightening them by hand and seen good ones (Kimball) rated at 55 lbs that would not snap under several hundred pounds weight. Might want to do some testing of the various brands available regarding break strength before you trust your gear to them. Armed with this knowledge you can also make decisions about using the lighter duty ones to make "breakaway" attachments.

11boo · February 26, 2005, 19:59

We used 550 Para cord or zip ties to secure ammo pouches, etc. to web gear and lost a couple pounds of alice clips. The method Brownknees outlined is exactly the way i did it in the 70's when i could scrounge zip ties, we just did away with the metal clips. Now i don't leave home w/o zip ties

Farmer from Hell · February 26, 2005, 20:40

tire iron over on AWRM has a good thread on modding Alice gear.

link

He has posted numerous instructional threads ranging from dummy cording gear to 14 day to be being a better shooter. Do a seach under is user name in gear and rifle section and you will find an encyclopedia of knowledge.

FfH

Chipmunk · February 27, 2005, 08:27

.....also you might want to
put a drop of 'crazy glue' on
it , so it doesn't close up tighter
than you want it to.....amhik
Chipmunk

Reverend +P+ · February 27, 2005, 20:48

I like MALICE clips better. Zips ties can take on some strange shapes under stress, some that poke you. As always, YMMV.

For those who wonder what they are:

http://www.tacticaltailor.com/produc.../malice_clips/

dadman · February 28, 2005, 08:50

At work, we've got zip ties that have a metal catch instead of a plastic catch. Haven't seen them in any stores. Will try to obtain source info.
Have used zip ties on GI LBE belt. Seemed to hold up well. Don't tighten them too much to where the belt starts curling.
Got the MALICE clips to hold GI pouches onto a TT MAV. The heads/catches are down. Don't know if it matters. No signs of the plastic weakening.

Palo · February 28, 2005, 19:05

We used zipties and have had no problems as long as they are the UV resistant black ties and meet milspec MIL-S-23190 (should say so on the case or bag that they come in). Use the ones that are rated for 50lb.s or more.

Morg308 · March 06, 2005, 11:32

Ditto what Palo said-make sure they are the black, UV resistant ones. In a SHTF scenario, it would also be good to have a pack or two of heavier 11" ones - uses would include handcuffs and securing gear, or even field expedient repairs.

brownknees · March 08, 2005, 07:59

Thanks for the input, guys.
I'm looking into the metal tabbed ones from the catalogues at work also, I know I've seen them somewhere. I'll post a source if I find it.
Also thanks for the crazy glue tip. I hadn't thought of the tightening problem.

falfan#1 · March 08, 2005, 23:39

The ones we get from KIMBALL have the metal tabs. They are rated at like 55 lbs, but they hold much more. We had a 130lb guy try to break one by hanging on it. It stretched but never let go.

February 26, 2005, 17:51	#2
Deltaten Registered FALaholic #: 124 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Lancaster, PA USA Posts: 8,498	brownknees: While yer mebbe not the first to discover the myriad of uses for zip-ties, including locking down ALICE clips; I applaud yer in-depth. technique. I'da never thought of turning them thataways! Someone here posted a wel accepted series of pix of the same gig, using para cord. Pictorial instruction of the manner of looping/fastening may be better than written?? Seriously.... While most have heard of these "tricks", few have ever [had to do] done it. Saving someone else the aggravation of having to dope out the best method of doing something is a small blessing. Best, Paul __________________ All or Nothing! Senator McCarthy was right! and as always......FYB!

February 26, 2005, 18:04	#3
eggroll Registered FALaholic #: 14607 Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 79	how about stripped 550 cord? __________________ http://www.geardo.com Extreme Gear Labs Nylon tactical gear Made in COLORADO!

February 26, 2005, 19:59	#5
11boo Registered FALaholic #: 16952 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: W CO. Posts: 51	We used 550 Para cord or zip ties to secure ammo pouches, etc. to web gear and lost a couple pounds of alice clips. The method Brownknees outlined is exactly the way i did it in the 70's when i could scrounge zip ties, we just did away with the metal clips. Now i don't leave home w/o zip ties __________________ "A grunt can take anything"

February 26, 2005, 20:40	#6
Farmer from Hell Registered FALaholic #: 171 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: The "free" state Maryland Posts: 1,751	tire iron over on AWRM has a good thread on modding Alice gear. link He has posted numerous instructional threads ranging from dummy cording gear to 14 day to be being a better shooter. Do a seach under is user name in gear and rifle section and you will find an encyclopedia of knowledge. FfH __________________ Its good to be alive and not crappin in a bag. Anthony Bourdain Nothing says "Obey Me" like a bloody head on a fence post. Stewie Griffin "Family Guy" The trouble with the world is that everybody in it is about three drinks behind. Humphrey Bogart Mason Dixon FAL Collectors Association

February 27, 2005, 08:27	#7
Chipmunk Registered FALaholic #: 213 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Richmond,Va. CSA Posts: 693	.....also you might want to put a drop of 'crazy glue' on it , so it doesn't close up tighter than you want it to.....amhik Chipmunk __________________ You don't stop laughing because you grow old; You grow old because you stopped laughing.

February 26, 2005, 08:35	#1
brownknees Registered FALaholic #: 14917 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: mid atlantic Posts: 12,015	Zip ties for ALICE clips???? In response to a bunch of different ways to back up the ALICE clips I've never heard of this one so I tried it. Use the right sized zip ties to secure pouches to the web belt. They go right thru the existing slots, & if you arrange them so that the locking tab is at the top of the belt with the protruding part facing away from the body they wont bind or pinch. Trim off the excess length with side or end cutters flush to the locking tab& carefully melt the sharp end with a lighter flame to deburr the cut end. If you position them so the locking tab is alligned with the top of the web belt they are really flush. New idea or just so bad everyone tried it & it didn't work?

February 26, 2005, 19:49	#4
falfan#1 Registered FALaholic #: 10855 Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 296	I use various types of Zip-Ties in my job everyday. One thing I have noticed is the quality varies widely. I have snapped cheap ones tightening them by hand and seen good ones (Kimball) rated at 55 lbs that would not snap under several hundred pounds weight. Might want to do some testing of the various brands available regarding break strength before you trust your gear to them. Armed with this knowledge you can also make decisions about using the lighter duty ones to make "breakaway" attachments.

February 27, 2005, 20:48	#8
Reverend +P+ Registered FALaholic #: 7465 Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: No matter where you go, there you are. Posts: 32	I like MALICE clips better. Zips ties can take on some strange shapes under stress, some that poke you. As always, YMMV. For those who wonder what they are: http://www.tacticaltailor.com/produc.../malice_clips/

February 28, 2005, 08:50	#9
dadman Registered FALaholic #: 3338 Join Date: May 2001 Location: oHIo Posts: 1,045	At work, we've got zip ties that have a metal catch instead of a plastic catch. Haven't seen them in any stores. Will try to obtain source info. Have used zip ties on GI LBE belt. Seemed to hold up well. Don't tighten them too much to where the belt starts curling. Got the MALICE clips to hold GI pouches onto a TT MAV. The heads/catches are down. Don't know if it matters. No signs of the plastic weakening. __________________ Member of SOB's and Barbarians, Ohio chapter. Illusions got us Obama and it is still his best selling point. -martin35, 07 Sept 11

February 28, 2005, 19:05	#10
Palo Registered FALaholic #: 15491 Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 184	We used zipties and have had no problems as long as they are the UV resistant black ties and meet milspec MIL-S-23190 (should say so on the case or bag that they come in). Use the ones that are rated for 50lb.s or more.

March 06, 2005, 11:32	#11
Morg308 Registered FALaholic #: 13575 Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: AZ Posts: 20	Ditto what Palo said-make sure they are the black, UV resistant ones. In a SHTF scenario, it would also be good to have a pack or two of heavier 11" ones - uses would include handcuffs and securing gear, or even field expedient repairs.

March 08, 2005, 07:59	#12
brownknees Registered FALaholic #: 14917 Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: mid atlantic Posts: 12,015	zip ties & ALICE clips Thanks for the input, guys. I'm looking into the metal tabbed ones from the catalogues at work also, I know I've seen them somewhere. I'll post a source if I find it. Also thanks for the crazy glue tip. I hadn't thought of the tightening problem.

March 08, 2005, 23:39	#13
falfan#1 Registered FALaholic #: 10855 Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 296	The ones we get from KIMBALL have the metal tabs. They are rated at like 55 lbs, but they hold much more. We had a 130lb guy try to break one by hanging on it. It stretched but never let go.

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