help finding info on this rifle.

**JAVIER** · January 06, 2005, 11:29

Hello: when I grew up in south america, I remember going to the police
station, beside my house. I used to talk to the police officers.. they were
our friendes for many years... I do remember that they had the Madsen
machine gun (9mm), the .30 carabine M1. now here is the one that I want some info:
It was a rifle similiar to the M1 carbine but it was bigger and used the same
tipe of ammo as the M1 : the .30 caliber..in 30 rounds clips. they called this rifle: " carabina san cristobal and sometimes Fusil san cristobal".. in inglish: san cristobal carbine or san cristobal fusil.
it had 2 triggers: the first one was for semi auto fire, and the second one was
for full auto fire. I do not remember wich country made them.. any help will be
greatly apreciated..fotos, info, etc. thanks, javier.

Michael Bush · January 06, 2005, 12:16

The Dominican Republic was working on setting up an Arms Industry and were doing some neat stuff. They also made a similar looking rifle in .308 although only in very limited numbers. They bought state of the art equipment from Beretta and Gevelo in France.

The gun is delayed blowback but otherwise it is a copy of the Beretta M38A.

If you are interested in this sort of edition, or heck even like guns, having a few copies of older Smith's Small Arms of the World will keep you busy reading for months.

There is a batch of these floating around oversees that may come in soon, they have no mags though.

LawTalkingGuy · January 06, 2005, 21:22

The info in the second link indicated that they used the same magazine as the M1 carbine. If that's the case, there shouldn't be a problem.

**JAVIER** · January 06, 2005, 23:34

limeyinaz: thank you very much... that is exactly the same carbine that they had
back in the 70's when I used to hang out at the police station... I would like to
get my hands one one of them, but the problem is that they are a machine gun. so, no such of good luck.... again, thank you very much... javier.

CRShooter32 · January 07, 2005, 04:24

The appearance is slightly different than the M38a, the lack of a muzzle break stands out right off, but that double trigger is a dead give away.

The M38a is a sweet little subgun, very controlable, and very accurate in full auto, although the double triggers can be confusing, move the trigger finger to the rear trigger for full auto, instead of thumbing a selector switch. I'd love to run a few mags through one chambered in .30 carbine for sure.

January 06, 2005, 11:29	#1
JAVIER Veteran Member Contributor FALaholic #: 5002 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: ohio Posts: 1,014	help finding info on this rifle. Hello: when I grew up in south america, I remember going to the police station, beside my house. I used to talk to the police officers.. they were our friendes for many years... I do remember that they had the Madsen machine gun (9mm), the .30 carabine M1. now here is the one that I want some info: It was a rifle similiar to the M1 carbine but it was bigger and used the same tipe of ammo as the M1 : the .30 caliber..in 30 rounds clips. they called this rifle: " carabina san cristobal and sometimes Fusil san cristobal".. in inglish: san cristobal carbine or san cristobal fusil. it had 2 triggers: the first one was for semi auto fire, and the second one was for full auto fire. I do not remember wich country made them.. any help will be greatly apreciated..fotos, info, etc. thanks, javier.

January 06, 2005, 12:16	#2
Michael Bush Registered FALaholic #: 5641 Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 316	The Dominican Republic was working on setting up an Arms Industry and were doing some neat stuff. They also made a similar looking rifle in .308 although only in very limited numbers. They bought state of the art equipment from Beretta and Gevelo in France. The gun is delayed blowback but otherwise it is a copy of the Beretta M38A. If you are interested in this sort of edition, or heck even like guns, having a few copies of older Smith's Small Arms of the World will keep you busy reading for months. There is a batch of these floating around oversees that may come in soon, they have no mags though. __________________ Michael Bush Michael@mgstocks.com www.MGStocks.Com 208 25th Street Sacramento, CA 95816 "Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear - kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor - with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it." ~ General Douglas Macarthur, 1957

January 07, 2005, 04:24	#5
CRShooter32 Registered FALaholic #: 11071 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Pa. Posts: 2,567	The appearance is slightly different than the M38a, the lack of a muzzle break stands out right off, but that double trigger is a dead give away. The M38a is a sweet little subgun, very controlable, and very accurate in full auto, although the double triggers can be confusing, move the trigger finger to the rear trigger for full auto, instead of thumbing a selector switch. I'd love to run a few mags through one chambered in .30 carbine for sure. __________________ Joe

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January 06, 2005, 21:22	#3
LawTalkingGuy Registered FALaholic #: 7135 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 121	The info in the second link indicated that they used the same magazine as the M1 carbine. If that's the case, there shouldn't be a problem.

January 06, 2005, 23:34	#4
JAVIER Veteran Member Contributor FALaholic #: 5002 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: ohio Posts: 1,014	limeyinaz: thank you very much... that is exactly the same carbine that they had back in the 70's when I used to hang out at the police station... I would like to get my hands one one of them, but the problem is that they are a machine gun. so, no such of good luck.... again, thank you very much... javier.