Threats from eBay seller

**Slo cat** · May 31, 2004, 12:34

I won an auction on a 80% FAL receiver on May 28th. The seller sent me an email that the item had been withdrawn and that he had posted an ammendment to the ad stating this. He wrote that Ebay no longer allows this sort of item for sale or purchase. (We all know this is not true.) He also added, "If you wish, I will still exchange positive feedback with you. (or whatever feedback you wish to exchange)" (first veiled threat)

I double checked, and there was no ammendment to the ad. Ebay had sent me their standard notification that I was the winner of the auction.

I wrote him that the eBay policy change was effective on June 8th, and included the complete text of the eBay notification.

He responded by giving more various excuses and also writing "I am sure it is not your intention to attempt to manipulate me into selling you an item that has been deemed illegal to sell, and if I was given any reason to believe that you are I would immediately turn your adress in to BATFE home offices to investigate your situation. I, as a federal firearms license holder have no other recourse." (a threat) I had not mentioned anything about a completed receiver, he brought it up, not me.

"Any feedback you leave I will match.
(I mean it, really.)" (Another threat)

My response to him was that he had zero credibility with me after his lie about Ebay currently not allowing auctions of this item. And that there were two ways he could avoid negative feedback from me, sell me the item or have eBay tell me they screwed up on not pulling the auction. (At this point, I don't trust him at all, and would not want to send him money, but I would to fullfill my obligation as an auction buyer)

Dispite his threat to retaliate, I am definiately going to post negative feedback on this guy.

Any suggestions on how I should proceed with this? I feel I should report this to eBay. eBay has a policy against extortion. Maybe this qualifies. Would it be proper for me to list his eBay name here on the FAL Files?

Any ideas?

mojo_matic · May 31, 2004, 12:43

I'd just let it go and let the creep keep his 80% receiver. Leave no feedback. You will find others on ebay for similar price. You didn't lose and money, so just leave it go. You cannot win this battle.

Kind of like an argument with a jerk at a bar. It would feel REAL good to blast the jerk in the mouth, but it makes more sense to leave the situation as is and avoid being arrested (negavitve consequences).

What goes around comes around...

SteveW · May 31, 2004, 13:41

Your Ebay seller is right, only after the 8th of June. Ebay just posted a further
set of restrictions in the sale of AW parts and such receivers. New rules come
into effect after 8th June. View their announcment here :

http://www2.ebay.com/aw/marketing.shtml#20040528170226

Maybe your seller has the dates wrong...

Steve.

nvcdl · May 31, 2004, 14:12

Life is too short to waste time on jerkslike that - just forget about it and leave no feedback.

You aren't out much except time and the seller will have to eat his fees.

**Slo cat** · May 31, 2004, 14:15

SteveW,
The seller said the new eBay policy was in effect the date the auction closed, May 28th. We all know it is effective June 8th.

After I caught him in his lie (sent him the entire eBay notice on the policy change) he then dropped this excuse, never mentioned it again, and started using other excuses and threats.

KEMOSABE · May 31, 2004, 14:41

Might be a blessing in disguise.

Dean P · May 31, 2004, 14:54

Just watch him on your feedback, if you go that way. He could come back & give you bad feedback as a nonpayer. It is best to have it out in the open now, don't let him get away with anything. There is a time limit on feedback. Any time someone threatens you over a simple transaction, you need to let the world know about it.

**Slo cat** · May 31, 2004, 15:00

Dean P,

I like your suggestion on the time limit on feedback. Maybe a little judicial sniping is in order!

McDobber · May 31, 2004, 15:05

Don't mean to hijack thread, but what is going on with e-bay lately. There seems to be A LOT people getting screwed in various ways. It is almost to the point where you can't believe anyone.

What handle does this guy go by? That way we know to avoid him.

McD

Bentley8 · May 31, 2004, 15:22

Just leave neutral feedback. State that the seller withdrew his offer to sell the item, something like "seller withdrew item after auction closed."
The feedback is there for others to see if they care to look.

**Slo cat** · May 31, 2004, 15:40

The seller's name is spriteman65.

Thanks, guys, for the comments, ideas and support.

nvcdl · May 31, 2004, 16:00

He's had three negative feedbacks in last 12 months - looks like he already gave you bad feedback so you might as well give him the same back.

I think he did you a favor as the casting was no great bargain.

Quote:

Originally posted by Slo cat
The seller's name is spriteman65.

Thanks, guys, for the comments, ideas and support.

**Slo cat** · May 31, 2004, 16:28

Thanks for the heads-up, nvcdl. Little did I know as we were discussing this that this deadbeat seller struck first. The price was not as bad as it looks, as it included shipping and a freebie.

Well, I'm just an eBay buyer, but he is a seller. It's going to hurt him more than me.

I just wanted one of these unfinished receivers to play around with on my recently purchased Bridgeport 2J mill.

Another kind FAL File member just offered me some 80% FAL receivers for even less than my original deal with the deadbeat.

What a gread bunch of people!

zack taylor · May 31, 2004, 16:44

Slo cat

I had the same problem with a deadbeat seller. He sent me a threatening email, similar to the one you got, he even used profanity.

I sent his email to ebay explaining what happened, and he was permanantly banned from selling. Don't let that scumbag ruin your day, ruin his. Like you said, you only buy on ebay, and he sells. Put a hurt on him and let him feel it in the wallet

Zack

**Slo cat** · May 31, 2004, 16:55

Thanks, Zack.

I was and am planning to contact eBay about this. I'm happy to see you had good results in doing the same. I was looking for someones experience on reporting threatening deadbeat sellers. Thanks.

I've saved all this guys emails, and am ready to forward them to the right people at eBay.

Well, I'm now off to the range for some theraputic trigger time.

Pistolwiz · May 31, 2004, 19:06

"I just wanted one of these unfinished receivers to play around with on my recently purchased Bridgeport 2J mill."

Nice toy Steve! I'm jealous!

This guy will be in the hurts without ebay after the 8th. You don't build a customer base with that kind of crap!

32_finish · May 31, 2004, 21:06

By the way, 80% castings are ruled a non-firearm by the batf, last time I looked.

I see no reason why E-bay should not allow them.

762minigun · May 31, 2004, 21:58

Quote:

Originally posted by 32_finish

I see no reason why E-bay should not allow them.

WE all know this. WE al all with you.
Ebay is playing by there own rules

instr8 · May 31, 2004, 22:22

If you think eBay is going to care, I am afraid you are wrong. I hope they do something for you, but they couldn't care less about the issues I emailed them about.

PeaShooter · May 31, 2004, 23:26

Wait 89 days then jack his feedback
after 90 days you cant leave feedback

**Slo cat** · June 01, 2004, 10:02

My negative feedback on spriteman65: "DEADBEAT SELLER, lied & threatened me with neg feedback & reporting me to BATFE."

Reply by spriteman65: "WILL NOT SELL TO ANTI'S, TERRORISTS, RACISTS, OR USERS WHO EMAIL CRIMINAL INTENT"

Curioser and curioser.

Comments?

Maybe this should be moved to DB.

Nickle · June 01, 2004, 10:20

You CAN respond to his feedback. A good one if you have good feedback and he doesn't (3 negs in 12 months isn't good) is "Read his feedback, read mine"

Just make sure you do it so he can ONLY make a fool of himself if he responds.

Nickle · June 01, 2004, 10:26

Yeah, I just took the time to look it over. I'd report your problems to eBay. You'll be surprised how they take a dim view about deadbeats.

Fredo Corleone · June 01, 2004, 10:43

Try the dispute resolution service because the feedback rating may be withdrawn if the feedback recipient initiated a dispute resolution process and the member who left the feedback did not respond to the request for mediation. He might not even answer the email and you will lose the negitive feedback. Start making this guys ebay life hell! Start with the comments he made implying you might be an ANTI, TERRORIST, RACIST, or a CRIMINAL

Nickle · June 01, 2004, 10:57

Quote:

Originally posted by Fredo Corleone
He might not even answer the email and you will lose the negitive feedback. Start making this guys ebay life hell! Start with the comments he made implying you might be an ANTI, TERRORIST, RACIST, or a CRIMINAL

Yeah, for sure. I've had PayPal reverse 2 transactions from deadbeat sellers. They didn't respond to PayPal's e-mail in 3 days, so the lost by default. Boy, was one guy mad! Tough.

Falfegnügen · June 01, 2004, 11:06

My eBay rules:

1. Don't leave negative feedback unless you have lost money or property.

2. Don't waste even one microsecond thinking you will get anything out of eBay. Unless the law is broken, and they are at legal risk, the chances are 99.99999% that eBay will do nothing. It appears to not be in eBay's best interested to subdue thier sellers for a mere few percent of disgruntled buyers.

3. eBay only charges $20 to have any negative feedback removed...

2. If your think it is worth your time, use psychology when discussing the situation. Remember email is usually considered "legal written documentation". Don't threaten anyone.

1. Don't waste time arguing with an idiot, they will only drive you down to thier level and beat you with experience.

And in this particular case, since you have the J-head mill, go buy the receiver blanks for $17 from TAPCO, then we can discuss techniques and tooling. There are several of us here that have done this (as you probably know). There is a forum on another board that has lots of info on this subject:

Roderus Custom FAL-Specific Gunsmithing

**Slo cat** · June 01, 2004, 12:21

Lots of great comments and recommendations. Thanks, guys.

Nickle and Fredo,

I will take this to eBay. I kept all of this guy's emails. Dispute resolution is another good idea. I'll follow up on this too. I just don't want get what Fredo got at the end of the movie.

:

:

Falopfile,

I am a lurking member over on Roderus Custom Forums, and I read the threads on completing the 80% FAL receiver. Since I am a rookie with a mill, I am a little daunted by the difficulty in doing this. But I am willing to risk ruining one if I am able to learn from it. PS: I like you second #1 point.

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Fredo Corleone · June 01, 2004, 13:48

I love fishing!!!

Fredo Corleone · June 01, 2004, 14:09

I bought a lot of stuff on ebay and got f*#ked only once for $13.00 sometimes you meet some real a$$h@les. sometimes I will not give a feedback until the seller gives me a positive and if they don't It doesn't bother me I have a 130 positives and that enough. I just don't need any negatives slo cat you only have 16 positives I would try to get rid of the negative or start over new name new account.

BallisticTip · June 01, 2004, 18:34

Quote:

Originally posted by Slo cat
Thanks for the heads-up, nvcdl. Little did I know as we were discussing this that this deadbeat seller struck first. The price was not as bad as it looks, as it included shipping and a freebie.

Well, I'm just an eBay buyer, but he is a seller. It's going to hurt him more than me.

I just wanted one of these unfinished receivers to play around with on my recently purchased Bridgeport 2J mill.

Another kind FAL File member just offered me some 80% FAL receivers for even less than my original deal with the deadbeat.

What a gread bunch of people!

Nice mill.

jerrymrc · June 01, 2004, 20:23

You should have asked.

I have one sitting around you can play with and Im close.

Jerry.

gunhead · June 01, 2004, 21:16

I would have taken some of the first members advice & NOT left a negative feedback at this time.
You had time to do it like they said at 89.9 days after it ended

Now you got a worst feedback to deal with.
He might have thought that it went too cheep & decided to BS his way out of it so he could sell it elsewhere or keep it.
I have had disputes like this & notified Ebay only to receive "Canned" replies

which was a waste of my time.
I once sold an item on ebay and made a mistake of telling the winner that he had a shiiping choice when in fact the shipping fee was set and to go by USPS.
When I explained that I made a mistake, he put me thru hell. I even returned his PayPal. Nothing was worth the big $20.
Then he tried to handle it thru this Mediation service which kept sending me E-Mails on his behalf.
Rubbish, I would'nt even waste my time because I could see the writing on the wall with this jerk

GL.....
Rich

**Slo cat** · June 01, 2004, 23:17

Gunhead,

It looks like the sequece is getting a bit confusing. But I was not the first to leave negative feedback with this deadbeat seller. I was planning on waiting 89.9 days. He hit me first and then I left neg feedback on him, and replied to his neg feedback.

It also looks like a mixed bag in seeking help from eBay or dispute resolution. Some get a satisfactory result and some don't. The way I see it, if you don't try, you for sure won't get any help. I do appreciate all of your experiences with similar problems, which ever way it turned out.

Jerrymrc,

I forgot my Karnak Turban when we met at Buffalo Creek, so I didn't know. When is the next Colorado FAL shoot?

May 31, 2004, 14:15	#5
Slo cat Veteran Member Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 11908 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Corner of 'Walk' and 'Don't Walk' Posts: 2,368	SteveW, The seller said the new eBay policy was in effect the date the auction closed, May 28th. We all know it is effective June 8th. After I caught him in his lie (sent him the entire eBay notice on the policy change) he then dropped this excuse, never mentioned it again, and started using other excuses and threats. __________________ Always do the right thing. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. Mark Twain Sicher - Einzelfeuer - Dauerfeuer ORWAC 68-2, NRA DR #24, CMP DP #922, P-100 Last edited by Slo cat; May 31, 2004 at 14:21.

May 31, 2004, 15:00	#8
Slo cat Veteran Member Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 11908 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Corner of 'Walk' and 'Don't Walk' Posts: 2,368	Dean P, I like your suggestion on the time limit on feedback. Maybe a little judicial sniping is in order! __________________ Always do the right thing. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. Mark Twain Sicher - Einzelfeuer - Dauerfeuer ORWAC 68-2, NRA DR #24, CMP DP #922, P-100

May 31, 2004, 15:22	#10
Bentley8 Registered FALaholic #: 12839 Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 911	Just leave neutral feedback. State that the seller withdrew his offer to sell the item, something like "seller withdrew item after auction closed." The feedback is there for others to see if they care to look. __________________ My furry son has a webpage: Zorro's dogster page

May 31, 2004, 15:40	#11
Slo cat Veteran Member Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 11908 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Corner of 'Walk' and 'Don't Walk' Posts: 2,368	The seller's name is spriteman65. Thanks, guys, for the comments, ideas and support. __________________ Always do the right thing. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. Mark Twain Sicher - Einzelfeuer - Dauerfeuer ORWAC 68-2, NRA DR #24, CMP DP #922, P-100

May 31, 2004, 16:28	#13
Slo cat Veteran Member Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 11908 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Corner of 'Walk' and 'Don't Walk' Posts: 2,368	Thanks for the heads-up, nvcdl. Little did I know as we were discussing this that this deadbeat seller struck first. The price was not as bad as it looks, as it included shipping and a freebie. Well, I'm just an eBay buyer, but he is a seller. It's going to hurt him more than me. I just wanted one of these unfinished receivers to play around with on my recently purchased Bridgeport 2J mill. Another kind FAL File member just offered me some 80% FAL receivers for even less than my original deal with the deadbeat. What a gread bunch of people! __________________ Always do the right thing. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. Mark Twain Sicher - Einzelfeuer - Dauerfeuer ORWAC 68-2, NRA DR #24, CMP DP #922, P-100 Last edited by Slo cat; May 31, 2004 at 16:58.

May 31, 2004, 12:34	#1
Slo cat Veteran Member Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 11908 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Corner of 'Walk' and 'Don't Walk' Posts: 2,368	Threats from eBay seller I won an auction on a 80% FAL receiver on May 28th. The seller sent me an email that the item had been withdrawn and that he had posted an ammendment to the ad stating this. He wrote that Ebay no longer allows this sort of item for sale or purchase. (We all know this is not true.) He also added, "If you wish, I will still exchange positive feedback with you. (or whatever feedback you wish to exchange)" (first veiled threat) I double checked, and there was no ammendment to the ad. Ebay had sent me their standard notification that I was the winner of the auction. I wrote him that the eBay policy change was effective on June 8th, and included the complete text of the eBay notification. He responded by giving more various excuses and also writing "I am sure it is not your intention to attempt to manipulate me into selling you an item that has been deemed illegal to sell, and if I was given any reason to believe that you are I would immediately turn your adress in to BATFE home offices to investigate your situation. I, as a federal firearms license holder have no other recourse." (a threat) I had not mentioned anything about a completed receiver, he brought it up, not me. "Any feedback you leave I will match. (I mean it, really.)" (Another threat) My response to him was that he had zero credibility with me after his lie about Ebay currently not allowing auctions of this item. And that there were two ways he could avoid negative feedback from me, sell me the item or have eBay tell me they screwed up on not pulling the auction. (At this point, I don't trust him at all, and would not want to send him money, but I would to fullfill my obligation as an auction buyer) Dispite his threat to retaliate, I am definiately going to post negative feedback on this guy. Any suggestions on how I should proceed with this? I feel I should report this to eBay. eBay has a policy against extortion. Maybe this qualifies. Would it be proper for me to list his eBay name here on the FAL Files? Any ideas? __________________ Always do the right thing. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. Mark Twain Sicher - Einzelfeuer - Dauerfeuer ORWAC 68-2, NRA DR #24, CMP DP #922, P-100

May 31, 2004, 12:43	#2
mojo_matic banned - trolling marketplace FALaholic #: 12363 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New Carlisle, IN Posts: 3,257	I'd just let it go and let the creep keep his 80% receiver. Leave no feedback. You will find others on ebay for similar price. You didn't lose and money, so just leave it go. You cannot win this battle. Kind of like an argument with a jerk at a bar. It would feel REAL good to blast the jerk in the mouth, but it makes more sense to leave the situation as is and avoid being arrested (negavitve consequences). What goes around comes around...

May 31, 2004, 13:41	#3
SteveW Registered FALaholic #: 9378 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 1,183	Your Ebay seller is right, only after the 8th of June. Ebay just posted a further set of restrictions in the sale of AW parts and such receivers. New rules come into effect after 8th June. View their announcment here : http://www2.ebay.com/aw/marketing.shtml#20040528170226 Maybe your seller has the dates wrong... Steve.

May 31, 2004, 14:12	#4
nvcdl Registered FALaholic #: 1312 Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 995	Life is too short to waste time on jerkslike that - just forget about it and leave no feedback. You aren't out much except time and the seller will have to eat his fees.

May 31, 2004, 14:41	#6
KEMOSABE Registered FALaholic #: 10937 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ok Posts: 1,715	Might be a blessing in disguise.

May 31, 2004, 14:54	#7
Dean P banned FALaholic #: 494 Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Texas Posts: 7,101	Just watch him on your feedback, if you go that way. He could come back & give you bad feedback as a nonpayer. It is best to have it out in the open now, don't let him get away with anything. There is a time limit on feedback. Any time someone threatens you over a simple transaction, you need to let the world know about it.

May 31, 2004, 15:05	#9
McDobber Registered FALaholic #: 6054 Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 690	Don't mean to hijack thread, but what is going on with e-bay lately. There seems to be A LOT people getting screwed in various ways. It is almost to the point where you can't believe anyone. What handle does this guy go by? That way we know to avoid him. McD

May 31, 2004, 16:44	#14
zack taylor Registered FALaholic #: 12554 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: land of entrapment Posts: 775	Slo cat I had the same problem with a deadbeat seller. He sent me a threatening email, similar to the one you got, he even used profanity. I sent his email to ebay explaining what happened, and he was permanantly banned from selling. Don't let that scumbag ruin your day, ruin his. Like you said, you only buy on ebay, and he sells. Put a hurt on him and let him feel it in the wallet Zack __________________ So many guns, and so little time. "If you think I am a communist, socialist, facist, left wing lunatic for disliking George Bush, then you are probably correct." -DABTL

May 31, 2004, 16:55	#15
Slo cat Veteran Member Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 11908 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Corner of 'Walk' and 'Don't Walk' Posts: 2,368	Thanks, Zack. I was and am planning to contact eBay about this. I'm happy to see you had good results in doing the same. I was looking for someones experience on reporting threatening deadbeat sellers. Thanks. I've saved all this guys emails, and am ready to forward them to the right people at eBay. Well, I'm now off to the range for some theraputic trigger time. __________________ Always do the right thing. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. Mark Twain Sicher - Einzelfeuer - Dauerfeuer ORWAC 68-2, NRA DR #24, CMP DP #922, P-100

May 31, 2004, 19:06	#16
Pistolwiz Registered FALaholic #: 4378 Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: WA Posts: 5,341	"I just wanted one of these unfinished receivers to play around with on my recently purchased Bridgeport 2J mill." Nice toy Steve! I'm jealous! This guy will be in the hurts without ebay after the 8th. You don't build a customer base with that kind of crap! __________________ "The constitution is not a bunch of suggestions. It's the law." "People will chew and swallow an entire sweet and delicious brick of lies. And enjoy it. Rather than taste one bitter grain of truth. No wonder they are hoodwinked so easily." "I don't run with lemmings...even well armed ones." "If we had as many misconceptions about the FN FAL as we do about the constitution. The body count from accidents would be much, much higher around here."

May 31, 2004, 21:06	#17
32_finish Registered FALaholic #: 8028 Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Seattle Washington Posts: 16	By the way, 80% castings are ruled a non-firearm by the batf, last time I looked. I see no reason why E-bay should not allow them.

May 31, 2004, 22:22	#19
instr8 Registered FALaholic #: 12904 Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,654	If you think eBay is going to care, I am afraid you are wrong. I hope they do something for you, but they couldn't care less about the issues I emailed them about. __________________ I'll have another......

May 31, 2004, 23:26	#20
PeaShooter Registered FALaholic #: 3382 Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 5	Wait 89 days then jack his feedback after 90 days you cant leave feedback

June 01, 2004, 10:02	#21
Slo cat Veteran Member Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 11908 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Corner of 'Walk' and 'Don't Walk' Posts: 2,368	My negative feedback on spriteman65: "DEADBEAT SELLER, lied & threatened me with neg feedback & reporting me to BATFE." Reply by spriteman65: "WILL NOT SELL TO ANTI'S, TERRORISTS, RACISTS, OR USERS WHO EMAIL CRIMINAL INTENT" Curioser and curioser. Comments? Maybe this should be moved to DB. __________________ Always do the right thing. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. Mark Twain Sicher - Einzelfeuer - Dauerfeuer ORWAC 68-2, NRA DR #24, CMP DP #922, P-100

June 01, 2004, 10:20	#22
Nickle Registered FALaholic #: 13702 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,160	You CAN respond to his feedback. A good one if you have good feedback and he doesn't (3 negs in 12 months isn't good) is "Read his feedback, read mine" Just make sure you do it so he can ONLY make a fool of himself if he responds. __________________ RWVA Master Instructor and Staff Member What have YOU done lately to protect our rights? When was the last time you wrote your Rep's? Your local paper? Recruit a new shooter? DO IT NOW!

June 01, 2004, 10:26	#23
Nickle Registered FALaholic #: 13702 Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Vermont Posts: 1,160	Yeah, I just took the time to look it over. I'd report your problems to eBay. You'll be surprised how they take a dim view about deadbeats. __________________ RWVA Master Instructor and Staff Member What have YOU done lately to protect our rights? When was the last time you wrote your Rep's? Your local paper? Recruit a new shooter? DO IT NOW!

June 01, 2004, 10:43	#24
Fredo Corleone Registered FALaholic #: 10381 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Green Mountain State Posts: 51	Try the dispute resolution service because the feedback rating may be withdrawn if the feedback recipient initiated a dispute resolution process and the member who left the feedback did not respond to the request for mediation. He might not even answer the email and you will lose the negitive feedback. Start making this guys ebay life hell! Start with the comments he made implying you might be an ANTI, TERRORIST, RACIST, or a CRIMINAL

June 01, 2004, 11:06	#26
Falfegnügen Registered FALaholic #: 4275 Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: TN Posts: 2,657	My eBay rules: 1. Don't leave negative feedback unless you have lost money or property. 2. Don't waste even one microsecond thinking you will get anything out of eBay. Unless the law is broken, and they are at legal risk, the chances are 99.99999% that eBay will do nothing. It appears to not be in eBay's best interested to subdue thier sellers for a mere few percent of disgruntled buyers. 3. eBay only charges $20 to have any negative feedback removed... 2. If your think it is worth your time, use psychology when discussing the situation. Remember email is usually considered "legal written documentation". Don't threaten anyone. 1. Don't waste time arguing with an idiot, they will only drive you down to thier level and beat you with experience. And in this particular case, since you have the J-head mill, go buy the receiver blanks for $17 from TAPCO, then we can discuss techniques and tooling. There are several of us here that have done this (as you probably know). There is a forum on another board that has lots of info on this subject: Roderus Custom FAL-Specific Gunsmithing

June 01, 2004, 12:21	#27
Slo cat Veteran Member Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 11908 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Corner of 'Walk' and 'Don't Walk' Posts: 2,368	Lots of great comments and recommendations. Thanks, guys. Nickle and Fredo, I will take this to eBay. I kept all of this guy's emails. Dispute resolution is another good idea. I'll follow up on this too. I just don't want get what Fredo got at the end of the movie. : : Falopfile, I am a lurking member over on Roderus Custom Forums, and I read the threads on completing the 80% FAL receiver. Since I am a rookie with a mill, I am a little daunted by the difficulty in doing this. But I am willing to risk ruining one if I am able to learn from it. PS: I like you second #1 point. : __________________ Always do the right thing. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. Mark Twain Sicher - Einzelfeuer - Dauerfeuer ORWAC 68-2, NRA DR #24, CMP DP #922, P-100 Last edited by Slo cat; June 01, 2004 at 12:40.

June 01, 2004, 13:48	#28
Fredo Corleone Registered FALaholic #: 10381 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Green Mountain State Posts: 51	I love fishing!!! __________________ I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!

June 01, 2004, 14:09	#29
Fredo Corleone Registered FALaholic #: 10381 Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Green Mountain State Posts: 51	I bought a lot of stuff on ebay and got f*#ked only once for $13.00 sometimes you meet some real a$$h@les. sometimes I will not give a feedback until the seller gives me a positive and if they don't It doesn't bother me I have a 130 positives and that enough. I just don't need any negatives slo cat you only have 16 positives I would try to get rid of the negative or start over new name new account. __________________ I'm smart! Not like everybody says... like dumb... I'm smart and I want respect!

June 01, 2004, 20:23	#31
jerrymrc Registered FALaholic #: 2331 Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: colorado springs Posts: 4,878	You should have asked. I have one sitting around you can play with and Im close. Jerry.

June 01, 2004, 21:16	#32
gunhead Registered FALaholic #: 2820 Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Port Charlotte, Florida Posts: 2,395	I would have taken some of the first members advice & NOT left a negative feedback at this time. You had time to do it like they said at 89.9 days after it ended Now you got a worst feedback to deal with. He might have thought that it went too cheep & decided to BS his way out of it so he could sell it elsewhere or keep it. I have had disputes like this & notified Ebay only to receive "Canned" replies which was a waste of my time. I once sold an item on ebay and made a mistake of telling the winner that he had a shiiping choice when in fact the shipping fee was set and to go by USPS. When I explained that I made a mistake, he put me thru hell. I even returned his PayPal. Nothing was worth the big $20. Then he tried to handle it thru this Mediation service which kept sending me E-Mails on his behalf. Rubbish, I would'nt even waste my time because I could see the writing on the wall with this jerk GL..... Rich __________________ Gun-Head "Who ever said that Common Sense was so Common?"

June 01, 2004, 23:17	#33
Slo cat Veteran Member Gold Contributor FALaholic #: 11908 Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Corner of 'Walk' and 'Don't Walk' Posts: 2,368	Gunhead, It looks like the sequece is getting a bit confusing. But I was not the first to leave negative feedback with this deadbeat seller. I was planning on waiting 89.9 days. He hit me first and then I left neg feedback on him, and replied to his neg feedback. It also looks like a mixed bag in seeking help from eBay or dispute resolution. Some get a satisfactory result and some don't. The way I see it, if you don't try, you for sure won't get any help. I do appreciate all of your experiences with similar problems, which ever way it turned out. Jerrymrc, I forgot my Karnak Turban when we met at Buffalo Creek, so I didn't know. When is the next Colorado FAL shoot? __________________ Always do the right thing. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. Mark Twain Sicher - Einzelfeuer - Dauerfeuer ORWAC 68-2, NRA DR #24, CMP DP #922, P-100

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